Case in point: Growing up in NYC, I am well aware that Captain Kidd was a
frequenter in those parts. We all know he buried his treasure on Gardiner's
Island, in the Long Island Sound, which is convenient to the mouth of the
Connecticut River where the Carriers built their house. An except from
Wikipedia says
Prior to Kidd returning to New York City, he learned that he was a wanted
pirate, and that several English
men-of-war<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men-of-war>were searching for
him. Realizing that the
*Adventure Prize* was a marked vessel, he cached it in the Caribbean
Sea<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Sea>and continued toward
New York aboard a sloop. He deposited some of his
treasure on Gardiners Island <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardiners_Island>,
hoping to use his knowledge of its location as a bargaining tool with
Bellomont.
Bellomont (an investor) was away in
Boston<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston%2C_Massachusetts>,
Massachusetts <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts>. Aware of the
accusations against Kidd, Bellomont was justifiably afraid of being
implicated in piracy himself, and knew that presenting Kidd to England in
chains was his best chance to save his own neck. He lured Kidd into Boston
with false promises of
clemency[18]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Kidd#_note-17>,
then ordered him arrested on July 6 <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_6>,
1699 <
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1699>.
This I state to prove that their were pirates in the area, and Kidd and
Morgan were contemporaries, and sailing the same seas. Why else would the
Carrier's of all people be harboring a pirate, unless Kidd, or otherwise,
knew they were friendly family? Just a thought.
On Jan 17, 2008 3:18 PM, Nicole Price <nicole.price(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Well not sure that he was storing pirate booty, but more that he was
giving refuge to friends of family or such.
Anyway, even if he was storing pirate booty (the family wealth had to come
from *somewhere* lol), his wife had been killed over being different, so he
had to lug corn just to take away the suspicion. Ha!!
On Jan 17, 2008 3:11 PM, Neal Carrier <nfcarrier(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> ahhoy matie,
> so if Thomas was storing pirate booty in his cellar why was he lugging a
> sack of corn around the day before he died???
>
> but then I do bear a faint resemblance to Johnny Depp, so there might be
> something to your theory.
>
>
>
> On 1/17/08, Nicole Price <nicole.price(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > OK - a further hypothesis.
> >
> > Captain Henry Morgan, the privateer - I've always thought, and
> discussed
> > with Neal, that our Thomas was somehow linked to him. Henry Morgan has
> an
> > uncle who is named Thomas Morgan, who fought for the royalist cause in
>
> > England. AND OH MY GOD>>> THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!!!!
> >
> > My grandfather Carrier grew up in the house in Connecticut - the one
> that
> > was built by Thomas himself. The house has passed to my uncle Paul,
> who I
> > believe is still alive. It is said that the house, while being on the
> > National Historic Registry, has a rather large sub basement. I have,
> for
> > as
> > long as I have lived, heard stories about how the hidden sub basement
> > housed
> > pirates/buccaneers/privateers/whatever you want to call them in its
> early
> > days because it was right on the CT river, and then later in the
> 1800's
> > the
> > sub basement was a stop on the underground railroad. Wouldn't this
> make
> > sense to hide privateers in your basement if your own family was a
> > privateer?
> >
> > Avast me hearties, this makes sense to me. And the dates fit in just
> > perfectly to me when you consider that Hery Morgan was born in 1635,
> and
> > had
> > an uncle Thomas, and uncle Edward.
> >
> > ALSO, there is rumor that there is "Indian Blood" on that side of
the
> > family, and I have done enough genealogy to know there is no NATIVE
> > american
> > blood in the family... but what if they really meant West Indian
> blood??
> > Just a shot in the dark.
> >
> > On Jan 17, 2008 12:50 PM, Neal Carrier < nfcarrier(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, I'll post my theory after reading the responses so far.
> > >
> > > SUPPOSITIONS:
> > >
> > > 1. I would suspect that Thomas ap Morgans 1600 birthdate would fit
> with
> > > Thomas's 1626 birth.
> > >
> > > 2. Due to the constant warfare between the Puritan & Pilgrim
> settlers
> > and
> > > the indians to the north of the Mass. Bay colony I really doubt the
> > theory
> > > of coming from Canada to the colonies. Also most of the immigrants
> to
> > > Canada
> > > in that time came from France. Just look at the tough time our army
> had
> > > crossing Maine to invade Canada during the Revolution.
> > >
> > > 3. I've recently re-read the first part of "Albions Seed"
which
> > examines
> > > the pathways of the migrations of the English to various parts of
> > America.
> > > I
> > > was looking to see where my other various ancestors lived in England
> and
> > > where they ended up over here. This book states that most of the
> > Puritans
> > > were concentrated in the eastern portion of England and they tended
> to
> > > migrate to the Boston/Salem area. Others who were from the western
> part
> > of
> > > England tended to go to Conn. and western Mass.
> > > The origins of some of my ancestors seem to bear this out.
> > >
> > > Ingalls/Skirbeck, Johnson/Canterbury, Lovejoy/London,
> > > and many others ended up in the Salem area.
> > >
> > > Ball/WIltshire, Burt/Devonshire, were from western England and ended
>
> > > up in the Conn.
> > > & Springfield Mass. area in the 1630s.
> > >
> > > 4. Albions Seed also says that many of the original settlers from
> the
> > > great
> > > migration returned to England to fight in the civil war or to tend
> to
> > old
> > > business on the old sod.
> > >
> > > 5. The lady who wrote the post is mostly involved with Welsh
> ancestors
> > and
> > > I
> > > would doubt that not too many outside of the Carrier clan would make
>
> > > the Morgan/Carrier connection.
> > >
> > > 6. Carrier in old and somewhat current Enlish is a term used to
> define
> > > what we would call teamsters/truckers.
> > >
> > >
> > > SO, my theory, (drum roll please Bob)
> > >
> > > Thomas ap Morgan may be the father of our Thomas (born in Wales)
> > > and the family migrated to some unknown colony (Not the Mass Bay
> one)
> > > between 1626 and 1635 when Richard Morgan was
> > > born. This would coincide with the great migration. Either all of
> the
> > > family
> > > or just our Thomas returned to the England to get away from the
> indians
> > or
> > > to fight in the civil
> > > war. As our Thomas was suppose to be tall/big? would make him fit
> our
> > > image of a current teamster. Maybe he was know as Thomas Morgan
> "the"
> > > carrier.
> > >
> > > I looked thru James Savages dictionary and didn't fine any mention
> of a
> > > Thomas or Richard Morgan while our Thomas and RIchard are included,
> > which
> > > would lead me to believe that the Morgans went elsewhere.
> > >
> > > the end!
> > >
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