Do we know which historical records?
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Neal Carrier <nfcarrier(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Several historical records from Andover & Billerica call him a
Welsh man.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Nicole Price <nicole.price(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Also, just for the sake of argument, why do we assume that he was born in
> Wales? Was it Helen Carrier's book? Historical account? I don't recall.
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Nicole Price <nicole.price(a)gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>> True, but the records *are* only from London.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Neal Carrier <nfcarrier(a)gmail.com
>wrote:
>>
>>> But it ain't Welsh.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Nicole Price <nicole.price(a)gmail.com
>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Well, there are a surprising number of Thomas Carriers, and no
baptism
>>> > recorded for a Thomas Carrier or Thomas Morgan Carrier in 1626.
HOWEVER,
>>> > there is a recording for a Thomas Morgan born Jan 12 1626, son of
Henry
>>> at St.
>>> > Katherine Coleman
<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Katherine_Coleman
>
>>> in
>>> > London. There is no more information than that, so it's purely
>>> > supposition...
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Neal Carrier
<nfcarrier(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> So, is Thomas listed?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Nicole Price <
nicole.price(a)gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > I was able to access it with my ancestry log in...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Robert Smith <
rsmith13(a)nycap.rr.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I believe we can see it ONLY if we subscrive to it...
>>> >> >> I think the annual fee is something like $139 USD...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Bob (Thomas - Richard - Amos - Amaziah - John M. - Daniel
S. -
>>> George H.
>>> >> -
>>> >> >> George L. - Joan P. Carrier) Smith
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >> From: "Neal Carrier"
<nfcarrier(a)gmail.com>
>>> >> >> To: "Carrier Rootsweb list"
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>>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:33 AM
>>> >> >> Subject: [CARRIER] English Revolutionaries Revealed in
Online
>>> Archive
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Can US
ancestry.com subscribers see this database? Sure
hope so.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> English Revolutionaries Revealed in Online Archive
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter by Dick
Eastman
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The following announcement was written by Ancestry.co.uk
:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Historic records launching online today for first time
ever
detail
>>> >> >> 'key players' of the English Civil War –
Ancestry.co.uk
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Earliest London Parish records online in existence –
eight
million
>>> in
>>> >> total
>>> >> >> Records detail those alive during key events in England’s
history,
>>> >> >> including the Civil War
>>> >> >> Revolutionaries Oliver Cromwell, Thomas Fairfax and John
Milton
>>> detailed
>>> >> >> online
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Ancestry.co.uk, in partnership with the City of London’s
London
>>> >> >> Metropolitan Archives, today launched online for the first
time
>>> eight
>>> >> >> million of London’s oldest surviving parish records,
charting the
>>> >> >> history of the city from the 16th century to modern
times.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials,
1538-1812
>>> >> >> contain vital records kept at more than 1,000 London
parishes,
and
>>> >> >> include some of the few extant records of the English
Civil War.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Crucially, these records pre-date Civil Registration, the
system
>>> >> >> introduced by the Government in 1837 to record the ‘vital’
events
of
>>> >> >> its citizen’s lives, including births, marriages and
deaths. The
>>> only
>>> >> >> way to trace one of these key events before the 19th
century is
to
>>> use
>>> >> >> parish registers.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Approximately 1.4 million records in the collection are of
those
who
>>> >> >> lived during the English Civil War, accounting for about
30 per
cent
>>> >> >> of England’s population at the time.1Today, the estimated
33
million
>>> >> >> Britons who have London heritage2 can start exploring
their
>>> >> >> revolutionary or royalist ancestors.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The English Civil War was a series of armed conflicts and
political
>>> >> >> manoeuvrings between King Charles I and the English
Parliament,
>>> >> >> fuelled by Charles’ unpopular religious reforms in England
and
>>> >> >> Scotland and disregard for Parliament’s financial muscle.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> During the mid 17th century, Parliament was the Crown’s
only
means
>>> to
>>> >> >> collect taxes and without it the King struggled for funds.
When
>>> >> >> Charles I called on Parliament to raise funds to suppress
rebellious
>>> >> >> Scots in 1640, the Parliamentarians tried to use their
financial
>>> >> >> influence to force through political reform and increase
their
own
>>> >> >> power. Charles refused, leading to war in 1642.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Eventually the Royalists were defeated by the
Parliamentarians,
but
>>> a
>>> >> >> few radicals still feared Charles could return to the
throne.
This
>>> led
>>> >> >> the powerful parliamentarian New Model Army, under the
command of
>>> >> >> Colonel Thomas Pride, to arrest all MPs who were
sympathetic to
the
>>> >> >> king. A Rump Parliament was established and Charles I was
executed
>>> for
>>> >> >> treason. The commissioner at the trial, Oliver Cromwell,
became
Lord
>>> >> >> Protector of England.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Numerous prominent names from the Civil War feature in
the
>>> collection,
>>> >> >> including:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Oliver Cromwell – Cromwell served as a commander in the
New Model
>>> Army
>>> >> >> and later supported the trial of Charles I, even signing
his
death
>>> >> >> warrant. He became Protector of England until his death in
1658.
>>> >> >> Cromwell’s marriage to Elizabeth Bourchier on August 13,
1620 is
>>> >> >> listed in the St Giles Cripplegate Parish Registers
>>> >> >> Thomas Fairfax – Fairfax was a parliamentary general and
>>> >> >> commander-in-chief of the New Model Army, which was
instrumental
in
>>> >> >> numerous victories against the Royalists. Unlike Cromwell,
he
>>> refused
>>> >> >> to condemn Charles I to death as he was more moderate in
his
>>> political
>>> >> >> and religious views. His marriage to Anne Vere in Hackney
on June
>>> 17,
>>> >> >> 1637 features in the collection
>>> >> >> Thomas Wentworth, 1st Earl of Strafford - Considered as
one of
the
>>> >> >> most prominent figures in the period leading up to the
Civil War,
>>> >> >> Wentworth supported King Charles I and became one of his
leading
>>> >> >> advisors. However, the King never fully trusted him and
accused
>>> >> >> Wentworth of treasonously advising him, which eventually
led to
his
>>> >> >> beheading on Tower Hill. His baptism can be found in the
1593 St
>>> >> >> Dunstan in The West Parish Registers
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Other famous and notable names that feature in the
collection
>>> include
>>> >> >> William Blake, Charles Dickens, John Milton, Robert Peel
and
Samuel
>>> >> >> Pepys.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The majority of the parish registers date back to 1538
when
Thomas
>>> >> >> Cromwell, Henry VIII’s Vicar General, issued an order that
each
>>> parish
>>> >> >> was to keep a register of each baptism, marriage and
burial
>>> performed
>>> >> >> there, however the collection also features a few much
earlier
>>> >> >> records. One of the transcripts that is included within
the
>>> collection
>>> >> >> is dated 1274.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Russell James from Ancestry.co.uk comments: “These
records
detail
>>> the
>>> >> >> existence of those living through the fascinating period
of the
>>> >> >> English Civil War, the political consequences of which can
still
be
>>> >> >> felt today. The conflict instilled Parliament with genuine
power
for
>>> >> >> the first time, while its factions developed into what
have
become
>>> >> >> some of our modern political parties.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> “As official records were not kept by the government until
Civil
>>> >> >> Registration in 1837, these parish records are essential
for
tracing
>>> >> >> anyone who was baptised, married or buried in London
before the
19th
>>> >> >> century.”
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Dr Deborah Jenkins, Assistant Director of the City of
London’s
>>> >> >> Department of Libraries, Archives and Guildhall Art
Gallery,
>>> comments:
>>> >> >> “I am delighted that we are able to make these unique
historical
>>> >> >> records available online for the first time and fully
name
>>> searchable.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Our understanding of the development of London and
the lives of
>>> >> >> millions of Londoners will be greatly enhanced through
online
access
>>> >> >> to this information.”
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The launch of the early parish records marks the
completion of
the
>>> >> >> London parish registers, which began in September 2009
with the
>>> launch
>>> >> >> of the ‘modern’ records dating from the early 19th century
to the
>>> >> >> 1980s. A total of 18 million parish records are now
online,
dating
>>> >> >> from 1538 to 1980.
>>> >> >>
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