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Author: Diana_Gale_Matthiesen
Surnames: Carrico, Crago, Craig, Littleton, Rose, Ross
Classification: queries
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R-1b1b-2a1b and R-1b1b-2a1a-1 are different haplogroups (I hyphenate the labels to make
them easier to read). People in different haplogroups cannot have had a common ancestor
for thousands of years.
The CARRICO in the project who is R-1b1b-2a1b has a paper connection to the J-2a4b
CARRICOs, which means he is not a different line of CARRICOs, but that he has an NPE in
his lineage:
http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/General/NPE_Resolutions.shtml
somewhere in the three generations between Charles CARRICO and William CARRICO:
http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Carrico/NodeChart-Carrico-Littleton.shtml
He in fact has a suggestive match with LITTLETON. They have no match in the FTDNA or
Ysearch databases, except with each other.
The CARRICO project is based at FTDNA, so the results of the project are shared with
everyone in the FTDNA database (at least with those who have removed the sharing
restrictions on their results):
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carrico/default.aspx
In the FTDNA database, their only matches are with each other.
We also have members who have uploaded their results to Ysearch, the public database
allowing people tested at different labs to compare results:
http://www.ysearch.org/
Even at just 12 markers, their nearest match is 7/12, which is resounding NON-match.
Their haplotype is not just unique, it's unusually unique, and thus, not just
different, but *very* different from anyone else so far tested.
I'm well aware of how surnames can change over time. I descend from a line of German
SCHANTZENBACHs who converted to JOHNSONBAUGH in the U.S. But as I mentioned, while the
phonetic spelling may change, the number of syllables in the spoken name usually do not,
except deliberately, as in Italian ROSA converting to ROSE in the U.S.
As it happens, my paternal grandmother was a ROSE, so I have done some work on ROSE DNA:
http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Rose/OpenRoseDNA.shtml
The Kilvarock ROSEs do have a connection with ROSS/de ROS:
http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Rose/Rose-results-R1b-G.shtml
although my grandmother belongs to a different group of ROSEs:
http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Rose/Rose-results-R1b-L.shtml
as do the Dutch ROOSAs:
http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Rose/Rose-results-R1b-T.shtml
If your CRAGO/CRAIG group is any form of Haplogroup R, as you indicate, then they cannot
have have had a common ancestor with the Haplogroup J Maryland CARRICOs for tens of
thousands of years. To even consider two families to be related in "genealogical
time," they *must* be the same haplogroup. (We're all related if you go back far
enough.)
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