Chris,
No, you are not being too "CSI" about it. You are doing exactly what you are
supposed to do: allow the logic of the DNA data to speak to you, despite any
assumptions or preconceptions you might have about the relationships of the
tested individuals.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe anyone has ever
proven the identities of any of Bartholomew's children. So, if you discard the
assertion that Bartholomew is, respectively, the father and grandfather of the
elder Cornelius and younger Cornelius, the DNA results pose no conundrum,
although we are left with no idea who the father of Henry is or the father of
Cornelius the elder is.
On the other hand, if you accept the asserted connections to Bartholomew, then
you have to posit three mutations in the six generations from Cornelius the
elder to his tested descendant. Not impossible, especially as two of the
mutations are on fast-mutating markers (DYS449 and DYS481), but not nearly as
likely as the asserted connections being wrong to begin with.
I support your plan to test more markers because you are modal at all 67
markers. All we can really say about you, right now, is that you descend from
Peter I. Finding shared, derived mutations -- mutations downstream of Peter I
that you share with others -- is the goal. The more markers you test, the more
likely you will find such mutations.
I think you can all understand how testing more markers is an aid to those who
have not forged a solid paper trail to Peter I, so I hope, as finances permit,
you will upgrade. Those of you who have a strong paper trail to Peter I may
feel you don't need to upgrade, but it's very important for everyone in the
project that those of you with strong paper trails max out your markers because
you are the standard against which others need to compare themselves.
My offer for the project to pay the $9.50 transfer fee for anyone electing to
test DYS710 ($14) still stands. Once the transfer fee is paid, you don't need
to pay it again to do additional advanced testing. One person has completed
this test and two others have their result pending:
http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Carrico/CarricoDNA-results-HgJ2.shtml#Adv...
Diana
-----Original Message-----
From: carrico-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Christopher A. Carrico
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Subject: Re: [CARRICO-DNA] Markers 12-67 return for #121108, desc/o Cornelius
CARRICO, the elder
Diana,
My logic may be faulty, but given the two Corneliuses - my
ancestor and
that of member #121108 - it seems that either:
1. They shared the same values at all 67 markers and the
three mutations
occurred since approx. 1800; or,
2. One or more of the three mutations occurred prior to the
births of the
two.
Option #1 seems unlikely, unless the mutations are on markers
that are
particularly fast to mutate.
Option #2 makes it unlikely that the two were closely related, e.g.
brothers / 1st cousins / uncle-nephew.
It seems that these results cast serious doubt on the assertion that
Bartholomew was the father of the elder Cornelius and the
grandfather of
the younger Cornelius, through Henry.
Or am I getting too caught up in the "CSI" aspect of the whole thing?
I plan to upgrade to some of the testing beyond the 67
markers. Once my
wife and I finish some home improvement projects this summer,
I'll have a
better idea of how much I can afford.
Best regards to all,
Chris Carrico
Metamora, IL
"Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM(a)dgmweb.net
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[CARRICO-DNA] Markers 12-67 return for #121108, desc/o
Cornelius CARRICO,
the elder
Hello List,
The upgrade from 12 markers to 67 has been completed for
Member #121108,
the
descendant of Cornelius CARRICO, "the elder," husband of
Susannah SHANKS
and
resident of Washington Co., KY:
http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Carrico/CarricoDNA-results-HgJ
2.shtml#M67
He has accumulated three mutations in his descent from Peter
I, which is
about
as many as one would expect in the nine or so generations
separating the
two.
These mutations are welcome, of course, because they will
make it easier
to
recognize this line and hopefully unite Cornelius to his father.
Thank you for upgrading!
Diana