With Bonnie's permission, I am forwarding her reply to me on the GENEALOGY-DNA
list.
-----Original Message-----
From: genealogy-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Bonnie Schrack
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:34 AM
To: Genealogy-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [DNA] J2 SNP testing - and palindromic markers
Diana,
> Well... I just went back to my CARRICO GAP, and this member's deep SNP test
> results have just been posted (someone must be burning the midnight oil,
besides
> me). The CARRICOs are:
>
> M304+ M172+ M67+
>
> making them J2f (by FTDNA's classification) or J2a1b (by the current ISOGG
> classification). They are negative for everything else (including M92-
M163-
> M166-), so there's no need to seek out any of the tests not
done by FTDNA.
Whoee! This is really exciting. Let me see, didn't I write to you that
I was suspecting that they could be M67+? Except that I thought they
might possibly also be M92+. Well, that's great. They will certainly
be outliers within J2a1b! I'll put them in there right away. You'll be
able to see how uncommon a number of their marker values are
within that group.
Of course, they could have some SNP in addition to M67 that's still
undiscovered, but that's true for a lot of people. I still wonder
about his first SNP result being inconclusive, whether that meant
anything.
Now it would be great to see more of his palindromic marker results!
Glad he already has DYF371X on order, but DYS725, DYF397 and
DYF399X are others we'd like to see tested by as many people as possible.
In this case, it would show us the range of possible values in the
J2a1b clade, from Jeff Schweitzer who's near the core of the large Jewish
cluster, to the Carrico haplotype out there on the edge. So far, we
have seen that Jeff's lowest value is 9 at DYF371, which is uncommon (most
people have 10), and regardless of whether he orders any more, it will be
interesting to see whether the Carrico value is also 9. So far that
value of 9 has been seen also in J2a1b1 (J2f1, M92+), but only in one
other case in J2a1*, and that family's haplotype bears a suspicious
resemblance to J2a1b.
DYF399 is wildly variable, but Gareth is very interested to see which
clades include the allele with the extra .1, which is missing in a lot
of J haplotypes. Jeff has it, but the one other member of the J2a1b
clade who has been tested for 399 does not. What's fascinating is that
although they have that difference, their 399 values begin with 19, a
low value we haven't seen anywhere else, except for a particular cluster
of J1 that has 18. Other 399 haplotypes have a lowest value of 20 to 24.
If he feels your Carrico has tested enough, no problem, but I wanted to
let you know, there is always more to learn!
I have now added them to J2a1b on the J results table:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Y-DNA_J/index.aspx?fixed_columns=on
Bonnie