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Surnames: Conboy, Carr
Classification: Biography
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Thomas Carr (c1840-?)
b. Abt 1840, Coal Pite, Killeroran, County Roscommon/Galway, Ireland
d. Unknown, Coal Pite, Killeroran, County Roscommon/Galway, Ireland
Siblings:
Sarah (Sadie) Jane Carr (1866-1950) Married Patrick Norton
Katherine (Kitty) Carr (1865-1952) Married Joseph Kennedy
James Carr (c1865-?) Bartender in Brooklyn or Bronx, NY, never married
Source: Obituary, Sarah Norton nee Carr, Jersey Journal, January 31, 1950
Source: Thomas Patrick Norton II (1923- ), Oral Testimony, 1998
Thomas Carr, stayed in Coal Pite, married Mary Kelly
Andrew Carr, moved to Australia
Source: Ann Elizabeth O'Malley (1933- ) 2002
Ballygar (Killian and Killeroran) Parish:
The Parochial House
Telephone: 011-903 24637
Source: Internet, 2002
Civil Registration:
All Births, Deaths and Marriages from 1845 for Protestants and from 1864 for all the
population were officially registered by the state. The Registrar General's Office ,
8/11 Lombard Street, Dublin 2 holds alphabetical listings by Surname of all Births, Deaths
and Marriages for each year from the years mentioned above. The Index entries shows the
District where Birth, Marriage or Death was registered. If you find a relevant record then
the assistants there can get photocopy of actual certificate. However there is a daily
search fee to search indexes and a charge per photocopy. Remember that Births, Deaths and
Marriages were often registered in following year if they occured late in previous year.
Source:
http://www.clubi.ie/yellow/geneology/geneology.html
Irish State Registration of Births, Marriages & Death:
State registration of marriages other than those in Catholic churches began in
Ireland in 1845. All births, deaths, and marriages have been registered in Ireland since
1864. In order to appreciate what precisely these records consist of, it is necessary to
have some idea at least of how registration began. It was, in fact, an offshoot of the
Victorian public health system, in turn based on the Poor Law, an attempt to provide some
measure of relief for the most destitute.
URL:
http://www.irish-times.com/ancestor/browse/records/state/index.htm
Source: Irish Times, 1998
International Genealogical Index:
Name: Catherine Carr
Date of Birth: January 18, 1865
Place of Birth: Killeroran, Galway, Ireland
Father: Thomas Carr
Mother: Bridgett Comboy [sic]
Source: International Genealogical Index, C701254 (1865) 0101103
Carrs and Conboys of Holly Grove (Coal Pite), Killeroran, Roscommon/Galway, Ireland:
From: FHenning
To: Richard Arthur Norton
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:19 PM
Subject: Ireland Carr doc.doc
On September 28, 1982 Fred and I drove to Roscommon in search of Catherine Carr’s
birthplace. We asked the postmaster for directions to Holly Grove or Coal Pits. Before
leaving the U.S., I spoke to Joe Kennedy, Catherine Carr’s son, who suggested that we
speak to Postmaster Flannigan in Roscommon Unfortunately he had been transferred to
another office. In Athleague, the closest town of any size to Coal Pits, we asked the
first elderly man we saw if he had ever met Thomas Carr. He said if it is the Thomas Carr
who married Mary Kelly then he had. That was our lucky day!! He directed us to the Holly
Grove/Coal Pits area. We stopped in front of a two story granite house and asked a middle
aged man if he knew whether this was the former residence of Thomas and Mary Carr. As
luck would have it once again he said that it was not, but that he owned the old Thomas
Carr estate. His name was Mr. McCann and he said that the property had been divided and
th!
e Rourkes had built a house on a portion of the original property. He stated further
that the house was in bad condition because no one was living in it and that cows had
roamed through it. He also said that the house was hard to spot because it was very far
back from the road. Mr. McCann also said that his mother would love to talk with us but
unfortunately we could not find her house. We drove back and forth several times and
finally saw an elderly woman who had known Tom and Mary. She said that they frequently
cycled into Athleague. The neighbor also said that Mary loved children and often gave
them sweets. We turned the car around and spotted the house high on the hill.. It is hard
to say how much property was originally with the house. It might be as little as twenty
acres or more than one hundred. It would have been an interesting question to ask Mr.
McCann. At the entrance to the property there were two stone posts. We walked
approximately 600 feet straight a!
head and then turned to the left and continued up a slight grade approximately 200 feet.
It was a stone house with a door framed in an interlacing pattern of diamonds and ovals.
There were quoins on the two front corners of the house. The front door was boarded up so
we climbed through a back window into the kitchen which still had only a mud floor. At
the front entry hall there was a staircase straight ahead and a hallway to the left of the
staircase leading to the kitchen. There were two large rooms, one on each side of the
entry hall both with interesting fireplaces. A stairway with nicely carved banisters,
still intact, led to the second floor. The second floor like the first consisted of two
large rooms, both with a fireplace. To the left of the house was a stone shed. There was
also a spring on the property and someone said that many years ago it was used as a
community spring. It was a great thrill to see the house where my grandmother was born and
grew up. I!
f only the cows had not roamed through it and destroyed the floors it would still be a
picturesque house on a hill. After dinner that evening we went to a general store in
Athleague and mentioned that my grandmother, Catherine Carr, was born in Coal Pits. They
said that Mary Kelly’s sister, Mrs. Haughey, was still alive and lived in Athleague right
next to the church. We also learned that there were Carrs in neighboring Fuerty Parish.
We went to see Mrs. Haughey the next day and her son came to the door and said that his
mother was very low. He asked if we could come back later. Unfortunately our schedule
was tight and we reluctantly headed for Donegal.
Source: Ann Elizabeth O'Malley (1933- ) Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:19 PM
Thomas Carr (c1840-?)
b. Abt 1840, Coal Pite, Killeroran, County Roscommon/Galway, Ireland
d. Unknown, Coal Pite, Killeroran, County Roscommon/Galway, Ireland