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additional information on Paul Carr;
He was a cook for many years in Dumas Texas then moved to Amarillo and cook there where he died. I was all so told by family members that he may have had another daughter named Connie. Paul had two daughters in his last marrige while in Dumas, Texas.
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Billy,
I can always take all the help that I can get.
But, it isn't necessary, if you really dont want to do it.
Thanks,
Melinda
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OH!!!! Judy,
I sure do hope so, This 4G Grandfather of mine has been a brickwall for me since I started doing Genealogy Research about 5 yrs ago.
As I said in my posting, I had wondered if John had lived in Tennessee in the area where Elizabeth's family moved to in 1810, and that was how they met.
I know that my John was born October 10th, supposedly in 1801and in Rutherford Co. NC., Married 3/4/1822 Lauderdale Co. Ala. at Elizabeth's brother Nathan Womack's home.
Anyway, I know nothing about him between his birth and marriage.
As for the Womack's in the area your Family lived in , they may very well be connected to mine, Elizabeth was one of 22 Children, 14 living at the time her father Abner's will was probated. He died 1/7/1856 in Warren Co. TN., Elizabeth was child # 8 of the 14 living Children.
I think we have corresponded before, because your name is SO familiar to me.
Feel Free to email me directly !
We will have to put our heads together on this one and see if we can prove our connection!
Thanks!
Melinda
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Melinda,
I looked for your John "Jack" Carr in my records but I could not find any reference to him or elizabeth Womack. I did find a John "Jack" Carr b. 1773 that was married to Sarah "Sally" Cage. He was born in South Carolina and died in Trousdale Co., TN. If you think that this John Carr might help you in your search, I can post or send you some of this families information.
Billy
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Surnames: CARR, BARNES, COUNCIL, BROWN, VICK, BRIDGES,
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I think this may be a John in my line.
I have Robert CARR m. (abt 1767) Mary Council
Children:
Council b. abt. 1767
Robert C. b. abt. 1768
Nancy b. ?
*Elias b. abt. 1770 (my ancestor)
Elizabeth b. abt. 1778
James b. abt. 1782
John b. abt. 1784
Salley b. unknown
Elias m. (9 Jun 1801) Mary Barnes in Franklin Co. NC
Children:
James Barnes b. 4 Sep 1801
Mary Elizabeth b. 1802
Elijah b. between 1802-1807
Martha b. 1808
William b. abt. 1810
John (Jack) b. ?
Robert E. b. ?
Elias' children all moved to KY/TN in their early years. I found them all there when Elias died. There is a court action in Logan Co., KY:
Abstracts of Wills and Settlements
Logan County, Kentucky
1795-1838
CARR, ELIAS, Equity Box 29, case numbers 724 and 734
In a suit of James Carr versus Eben Vick on division of estate, the following are listed as heirs of Elias Carr of Franklin county, NC: Mary Carr, widow, received all estate during her widowhood and estate was to be given to children when mother thinks proper or when the youngest becomes of age. Children are Elizabeth Carr Vick, wife of Eben Vick, Elijah, James, John, William Carr, sons, Martha Carr Brown, wife of Benjamin Brown; and Robert Carr, son. a copy of the will is in Box 29, case number 734, dated 6 Feb 1823. From the will, executors and witnesses are listed as William B. Bridges, Council Carr. Signature is written. Filed May 1828. Died Testate.
I have no information on John (Jack), but there were Womacks in the same areas where my CARRs lived. Furthermore, Elias' son, Elijah, had a son he named John Council. This John C. moved to Alabama as a young man. I'm wondering if he moved there because of an uncle was already living there.
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My great great grandmothers name was either Mary or Mollie E. Carr. Born in 1845, died in Winston County, Louisville, Ms. in 1895. She was the wife of William B or William M. White. He died in Noxubee County, Macon, MS. date unknown. They were married in Winston County in 1872. Mary is buried in Sardis Baptist Church Cemetery in Winston County, MS. William White was buried in the White Cemetery in Noxubee County, MS. In the 1850 census in Winston County there is a listing for Benjamin Carr age 38, Elizabeth age 34, and a Mary age 8. I am wondering if this is my Mary. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Bettye Higginbotham
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Searching for Paul Carr b. 3 december 1928 Checotah, Oklahoma.
I have school record where he was seven years old at the time. Heading shows town of Eupaula, Oklahoma enumerated in Shady Grove, Distric 12, McIntosh County, Oklahoma. and he was born Dec 3, 1928 no record of birth place.
Military records show him born 3 dec 1928 in Checotah, Okla. Intered the service at Tinker Fld, Okla. 14 May 1946 and was a MP for the Military Police 677. he then went to served in WII (Japan) and was dicharged 25 feb 1949 8th Air Force Sq (Ar). Listed as a farmer for civilian occupation.
Paul Carr died in Amarillo, Texas in 1974
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I am looking for the husband of one Harriet Charlotte Rose b: Oswegatchie, Oneida Co. NY. her first husband was a Carr, born in the US that he died in the US prior to her moving to Canada and subsequently marrying one Hugh Ross in Glengarry, Ontario. Harriet Charlotte had two daughters with ?? Carr - Rachel Ann (my great grandmother) (B. 1825?) and Eliza (b:1828?)- she brought them with her to Canada - married Ross on Dec.27.1836 they subsequently had 4 daughters and one son. Does this fit into any family tree of the Carr's you might have? Thanks
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Thanks. I looked at the 1820 census records a year or two ago and didn't see very much that I thought helped. Let me go back and take another look.
A question - are you researching the Carr family? If so, does the William Carr who married Mary Sanborn sound familiar?
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I will have to look into that as I have the ancestry.com subscription to look up census records etc.......maybe we can cooroberate (sp?) and help each other who knows maybe we are related to some degree.
His mother's maiden name was CARR:
from the "Providence (RI) Journal", 3/17/05:
MORTON, ROBERT E., 89, of Fostmere Court, Warwick, died on Tuesday, March
15, 2005 at Kent County Memorial Hospital in Warwick. He was the husband of
Helen A. (Kellogg) Morton. Mr. and Mrs. Morton were married for 63 years.
Born in West Warwick, a son of the late Arthur and Lida (Carr) Morton, he
lived in Warwick since 1941.
Mr. Morton was employed at Leesona Corporation in Warwick for 42 years
before retiring as a project engineer in 1977. He was a graduate of the
Rhode Island School of Design. He was a member of Woodbury Union Church and
the Asbury Coasters.
Besides his wife, he is survived by a daughter, Evelyn A. Deering of
Warwick, and her husband Richard; two sons, Robert E. Morton, Jr. of
Atkinson, NH and his wife Bonnie Lou and Charles A. Morton of Coventry and
his wife Sandra; eight grandchildren and nine great grandchildren. He was
the brother of the late Ethel Tabor, Alice C. Morton, Arthur Morton and
Evelyn Morton.
His funeral service will be held on Friday, March 18 at 10 A.M. in Woodbury
Union Church, Presbyterian, 58 Beach Avenue, Warwick. Visiting hours are
Thursday 4-7 P.M. in the Peter J. Barrett Funeral Home, 1328 Warwick
Avenue, Spring Green, Warwick. Burial will be in St. Philip Cemetery, West
Warwick. In lieu of flowers, contributions in his memory may be made to
Woodbury Union Church, Presbyterian.
from the RI Historical Cemeteries Database Index:
MORTON, ARTHUR 1876 - 1928 WW010
MORTON, LIDA (CARR) 1883 - 1970 WW010
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I have a William CARR b.27 May 1800 to Peter CARR and Roxanna Rider CARR .There were two other children from this marriage. Hazen , b 21 June 1801,and Peter JR.b.23 May 1803.
Believe all of these children were born in Grantham,Cheshire co. N.H.
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CARR_Janet_HOOVER_1947-2001.JPG
I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery - Sam Houston Section, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records.
This is one of the 110,452 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com
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I found one in Hillsborough and there were jrs etc.....I don't know if that helps but it is in the 1820 cenus.....those censuses weren't very detailed. If I can help let me know.
Janine "Carr" McDaniel
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Katherine Carr (1865-1951) aka Kitty Carr; Immigrant from Ireland to USA between 1888 and 1890 and Indentured Maid in Rooming House in Brooklyn or Bronx, New York (b. January 18, 1865, Hollygrove, Athleague, Killeroran, County Galway/Roscommon, Ireland - d. February 20, 1951, 5915 Liebig Avenue, Riverdale, Bronx County, New York City, New York, USA)
Birth:
Katherine was born in Hollygrove, Ireland to Thomas Carr and Bridgette Conboy.
Siblings:
Sarah Jane Carr (c1866-1950) aka Sadie Carr, who emigrated to the United States and married Patrick J. Norton (1856-1905); Thomas Carr II who stayed in Coalpits and married Mary Kelly (1873-?) but had no children; Mary Carr (1873-?) who stayed in Coalpits in Ireland; James Carr (1874-c1950) aka Jimmy Carr, who emigrated to the United States after 1901 and was a bartender in Brooklyn or the Bronx; and later a chauffer in Manhattan in New York and he never married; and Andrew Carr who may have emigrated to Australia.
Emigration:
She emigrated between 1888 and 1890 with: her sister, Sarah Jane Carr (c1863-1950) aka Sadie Carr, who married Patrick J. Norton (1856-1905); and a cousin, Margaret Agnes Conboy (1866-1951) aka Maggie carr, who married Owen McLaughlin (1863-1931). All three worked in a rooming house in Brooklyn or the Bronx where they were maids until their passage to the US was paid back. Other family members had emigrated including her brother, James Carr, who worked as a speakeasy bartender and later a chauffer in New York. There were also several Hogans and Conboys who emigrated. Some of the people who emigrated were: Jane E. Hogan (1864-1949) who married Martin Matthew Gelchion I (1858-1899) aka Matthew Gechion, who was a gardener in Jersey City or Bayonne; Catherine Mary Hogan (1864-1941) aka Mary Hogan, who married Thomas Morrissey I (1863-1928) who was a shipping laborer; Margaret Hogan (c1865-?) aka Maggie Hogan, who married a Gannen; Winifred Hogan (c1870-?) who married John Healy !
I (c1870-bef1920); Patrick Conboy (1864-1927); James Conboy II (c1865-?); Thomas Conboy (c1865-?); and their father James Conboy I (1837-1902).
Marriage:
Katherine Carr married James Joseph Kennedy (1870-1926) in the Bronx around 1895.
Children:
Together they had seven children: Kathryn Kennedy (1897-1974) aka Kitty Kennedy, aka Sis Kennedy, who married Joseph O'Malley (1893-1985) who was an uncle to Walter Francis O'Malley, who was the owner of Brooklyn Dodgers; Mary Frances Kennedy (1898-1982) who married Walter M. Hill (1893-1965) the taxi driver and movie projectionist; Josephine Kennedy (c1900-c1903) who died as an infant; Thomas Kennedy (1901-1972) who married Gertude Reed (1898-?); James Gerard Kennedy I (c1904) who died at birth; Joseph Edward Kennedy (1905-1983) who married Beatrice McDermott (1904-1970); James Gerard Kennedy II (1907-1997) aka James G. Kennedy, Sr. who was the founder and owner of the construction company in New York that bears his name, who married Antoinette Granato (1916-1942) and then later married Rita Masset (1924- ).
Harlem:
In the year 1900 James and Katherine were living at 8th Street in Harlem in Manhattan, New York City and in 1920 they were living at West 160th Street in Harlem. Eventually the family moved to 5915 Liebig Avenue in Riverdale, in the Bronx.
Death of Husband:
Katherine's husband, James Kennedy died in 1926 at the site of the Chrysler Building where he may have been working as a plasterer.
Hollygrove, Ireland:
Kate and her sister Sarah traveled back to Hollygrove, Ireland on one or more occasions. Ann Elizabeth O'Malley (1933- ) writes: "On September 28, 1982 Fred and I drove to Roscommon in search of Catherine Carr’s birthplace. We asked the postmaster for directions to Holly Grove or Coal Pits. Before leaving the U.S., I spoke to Joe Kennedy, Catherine Carr’s son, who suggested that we speak to Postmaster Flannigan in Roscommon. Unfortunately he had been transferred to another office. In Athleague, the closest town of any size to Coal Pits, we asked the first elderly man we saw if he had ever met Thomas Carr. He said if it is the Thomas Carr who married Mary Kelly then he had. That was our lucky day. He directed us to the Holly Grove/Coal Pits area. We stopped in front of a two story granite house and asked a middle aged man if he knew whether this was the former residence of Thomas and Mary Carr. As luck would have it, once again he said that it was not, but tha!
t he owned the old Thomas Carr estate. His name was Mr. McCann and he said that the property had been divided and the Rourkes had built a house on a portion of the original property. He stated further that the house was in bad condition because no one was living in it and that cows had roamed through it. He also said that the house was hard to spot because it was very far back from the road. Mr. McCann also said that his mother would love to talk with us but unfortunately we could not find her house. We drove back and forth several times and finally saw an elderly woman who had known Tom and Mary. She said that they frequently cycled into Athleague. The neighbor also said that Mary loved children and often gave them sweets. We turned the car around and spotted the house high on the hill. It is hard to say how much property was originally with the house. It might be as little as twenty acres or more than one hundred. It would have been an interesting question to ask Mr. McCa!
nn. At the entrance to the property there were two stone posts. We wal
ked approximately 600 feet straight ahead and then turned to the left and continued up a slight grade approximately 200 feet. It was a stone house with a door framed in an interlacing pattern of diamonds and ovals. There were quoins on the two front corners of the house. The front door was boarded up so we climbed through a back window into the kitchen which still had only a mud floor. At the front entry hall there was a staircase straight ahead and a hallway to the left of the staircase leading to the kitchen. There were two large rooms, one on each side of the entry hall both with interesting fireplaces. A stairway with nicely carved banisters, still intact, led to the second floor. The second floor like the first consisted of two large rooms, both with a fireplace. To the left of the house was a stone shed. There was also a spring on the property and someone said that many years ago it was used as a community spring. It was a great thrill to see the house where my grandmo!
ther was born and grew up. If only the cows had not roamed through it and destroyed the floors it would still be a picturesque house on a hill. After dinner that evening we went to a general store in Athleague and mentioned that my grandmother, Catherine Carr, was born in Coal Pits. They said that Mary Kelly’s sister, Mrs. Haughey, was still alive and lived in Athleague right next to the church. We also learned that there were Carrs in neighboring Fuerty Parish. We went to see Mrs. Haughey the next day and her son came to the door and said that his mother was very low. He asked if we could come back later. Unfortunately our schedule was tight and we reluctantly headed for Donegal."
Death:
Katherine died in 1951 a year after her sister Sarah died. Kate is buried in Saint Raymond's Cemetery in the Bronx.
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I know of no relationship between this Carr family and mine, but I wanted to tell you how delightful it was to read your message and the anecdotes.
Thank You,
Shirley Antrim
William Harrison Carr b. abt 1788 in VA/NC married 1. Martha Rice. 2 Hannah
Harper
Children of William and Martha are: Arrena K, Mary, Elizabeth, Daniel W,
William Harrison, Nancy Ann, Sally(probably Susan),Albert Fielding, John R,
Elijah Harding and Martha. Wm and Hanna had no children.
Wm fought in the War of 1812. In 1850 they were in District 13, Jackson Co
TN census.
William died 3 Nov 1854. He served as 1st Circuit Court Clerk of Putnam Co
TN. (the 1st time they tried to establish Putnam Co). William had
siblings James, Jonathon and Eliza.
I am looking for parents of William and Martha and info on their siblings.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you Peggy Gunter
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Sarah Jane Carr (1863-1950) aka Sadie Carr; Immigrant from Ireland to USA circa 1885 and Indentured Maid with her sister and cousin in a Rooming House in New York City, possibly in Brooklyn (b. November 18, 1863, Coalpite, Athleague, Killeroran, County Galway/Roscommon, Ireland - d. January 28, 1950, 61 Clendenny Avenue, Jersey City, Hudson County, New Jersey, 07304-1503, USA)
Birth:
Sarah was born in Coalpits township, adjacent to Hollygrove township in Athleague parish, Killeroran district on the border of County Galway and County Roscommon in Ireland to Thomas Carr (c1840-bef1901) and Bridget Conboy (c1840-aft1901). Her siblings include: Katherine Carr (1865-1952) who emigrated to the US as an indentured maid and married James Joseph Kennedy (1866-1926); Andrew Carr (c1870-?) who may have emigrated to Australia from Ireland; Mary Carr (1873-?) who never married and remained in Ireland; James Carr I (1874-aft1950) who emigrated to the US and operated a speakeasy and after prohibition operated a taxi; and Thomas Carr II (1876-?) who married Mary Kelly and remained in Ireland on the family property until his death. Sarah came to the United States around 1885 with her sister and her brother, James Carr. Sarah also had a cousin that came over as an indentured maid, Margaret (Maggie) Agnes Conboy (1866-1951) who married Owen McLaughlin (1863-1931). Sarah, a!
nd her sister Katherine, and her cousin Margaret were indentured servants, their passage to the US was paid by the rooming house in Brooklyn that they worked in, and they had to work for 5 years to pay off that debt. The exact place in Brooklyn where they worked has not been identified.
Marriage:
Sarah married Patrick J. Norton (1856-1905) on April 13, 1890 at Saint Paul's Roman Catholic Church at 14 Greenville Avenue in Jersey City. Pat was the son of Michael Norton (c1830-?) and Bridget Mulligan (c1830-?). The wedding was attended by John Norton (1861-1905), Patrick’s brother and some of the Hogans that were Sarah's cousins. Sarah and Patrick had five children with three living to adulthood: Thomas Patrick Norton I (1891-1968) who married Mary (May) Margaret Burke (1890-1949); James Joseph Norton I (1892-1961) who married Helen (Eenie) Marie Maher (1895-1974); Katherine (Kate) Norton (1894-1942) who married James Patrick Langan I (1889-1975); Sarah Francis Norton (1896) who died as an infant; and Mary Norton (1898) who died as an infant. Sarah's husband Patrick worked as a laborer on the railroad, but both Patrick, and his brother John Norton died in 1905 at a relatively young age. Patrick may also have had a third brother, Matthew Norton, that was the witn!
ess to his wedding to Sarah. Sarah somehow received a large sum of money after Patrick’s death. The source of the money is not clear, but she used it to buy two newly-constructed two-family houses in the Horseshoe, or Irish section of Jersey City around 1910. She lived in one unit and had family members living in some of the other units.
Death:
Sarah Jane Carr died on January 28, 1950 at age 84. Her obituary was published on January 31, 1950 in the Jersey Journal and it reads as follows: "Mrs. Sarah Norton (nee Carr) died on Saturday in her home at 61 Clendenny Avenue. Mrs. Norton, a native of Ireland, resided in the Horseshoe section for 30 years before moving to the Clendenny Avenue address 30 years ago. She was a communicant of Our Lady of Victories Roman Catholic Church; a member of the Rosary Society; Greenville Council, Catholic Daughters of America, and St. Alicia Council, C.W.B.L. Surviving are two sons, Thomas and James; six grandchildren and four great-grandchildren." A second obituary on the same day reads: "[Sarah Norton died] suddenly on Saturday, January 28, 1950 at the residence, 61 Clendenny Avenue, Sarah Jane Norton (nee Carr), beloved wife of the late Patrick J. Norton, and the late Katherine Langan; loving sister of Mrs. Katherine Kennedy and James Carr; also survived by six grandchildren. Relati!
ves and friends, also Catholic Daughters of America. Greenville Council, No. 450; St. Alicia Council, No. 58, C.W.B.L., Rosary Society of Our Ladies of Victories Church, are invited to attend the funeral on Wednesday, February 1st, at 9 a.m., from the Funeral Home of Richmond F. Routh, 206 Old Bergen Road. Solemn mass of requiem at Our Lady of Victories Roman Catholic Church at 10 a.m. Members of our Our Lady of Victories Rosary Society are asked to meet at Richmond F. Routh, 206 Old Bergen Road, tonight 8:15 p.m. to offer prayers for Sara Norton, a former member." Sara was known for her colorful family stories that may have had no basis in fact. She said that when she came to the US everyone was wearing black armbands, and somehow the story was transformed by her grandchildren that she came over when the president was shot. She also said she was from County Cork, but she was from Hollygrove and Coalpits on the Galway/Roscommon border. She also told people that her husband,!
Patrick died from yellow fever during the Spanish-American War, where
he was a farrier, and that the money she received to buy her 2 two-family houses was from his insurance. Sara Carr had traveled back to Hollygrove and Coalpits at least once with her sister Katherine.
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James Carr (1874-c1950) aka Jimmy Carr; Emigrated to USA after 1901, possibly 1903; Bartender; Chauffer (b. November 14, 1874, Coalpits, Athleague, Killeroran, County Galway, Ireland - d. circa 1950, Bronx or Brooklyn, or Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA)
Birth:
James was born in 1874 to Thomas Carr (c1840-before1901) and Bridget Conboy (c1840-c1905) of Coalpits, Killeroran, County Galway/Roscommon,Ireland.
Siblings:
James had the following siblings: Sarah Jane Carr (1866-1950) aka Sadie Carr, who emigrated to the US and married Patrick J. Norton (1856-1905); Katherine Carr (1865-1952) aka Kitty Carr, aka Kate Carr, who emigrated to the US and married James Joseph Kennedy (1870-1926); Thomas Carr II (1876-?) who stayed in Coalpits in Ireland and married Mary Kelly; Mary Carr (1873-?) who stayed in Coalpits in Ireland; and Andrew Carr who may have emigrated to Australia.
Emigration:
James appears in the 1901 Census living in Ireland. He emigrated to New York around 1903. This was almost 20 years after his siblings arrived. He had a thick Irish accent.
World War I Draft:
He filled out his draft card on September 12, 1918 and listed his birthday as November 14, 1874. He listed his next of kin as "sister, Mrs. Kate Kennedy, 556 West 60th Street". He was working as a chauffer and living at 358 West 41st Street "c/o Kelly".
Memories of James Carr:
Christopher Aloysius Enright II (1927- ) says: "We called him uncle Jimmy. He had a saloon in the Bronx and later drove a taxi. He never moved to New Jersey."
Anne Elizabeth O'Malley (1933- ) says: "James Carr visited us once during World War II, Katherine Carr Kennedy wasn't thrilled that he was visiting. This was on 77nd Street in Manhattan in New York. She never mentioned our uncle Jimmy again. He didn't look very prosperous."
Thomas Patrick Norton II (1920- ) says: "Uncle Jimmy was a pleasant little guy. He was very succesful running a speakeasy in New York. After prohibiton was repealed he went out of business. He had a strong Irish brogue. He used to give out $5 gold pieces that were smaller than a dime. He gave one to each child. Giving out the coins was his trademark whenever we saw him. My dad would take away the coins and say 'i'll take care of them for you', and I would never see them again. Jimmy was a thin wispy guy who looked like Barry Fitzgerald, the actor. He probably took the tube train into Jersey City, from New York where he lived [when he visited us]. He never had a car. The train was eight cents to get into New York City from Jersey City. My grandmother, Nana, was very proud of him, he was very enterprising at his illegal saloon."
Coalpits, Ireland:
Ann Elizabeth O'Malley (1933- ) writes: "On September 28, 1982 Fred and I drove to Roscommon in search of [the birthplace of Katherine (Kitty) Carr (1865-1952)]. We asked the postmaster for directions to Holly Grove or Coal Pits. Before leaving the U.S., I spoke to Joe Kennedy, Catherine Carr’s son, who suggested that we speak to Postmaster Flannigan in Roscommon. Unfortunately he had been transferred to another office. In Athleague, the closest town of any size to Coal Pits, we asked the first elderly man we saw if he had ever met Thomas Carr. He said if it is the Thomas Carr who married Mary Kelly then he had. That was our lucky day. He directed us to the Holly Grove/Coal Pits area. We stopped in front of a two story granite house and asked a middle aged man if he knew whether this was the former residence of Thomas and Mary Carr. As luck would have it, once again he said that it was not, but that he owned the old Thomas Carr estate. His name was Mr. McCann and he !
said that the property had been divided and the Rourkes had built a house on a portion of the original property. He stated further that the house was in bad condition because no one was living in it and that cows had roamed through it. He also said that the house was hard to spot because it was very far back from the road. Mr. McCann also said that his mother would love to talk with us but unfortunately we could not find her house. We drove back and forth several times and finally saw an elderly woman who had known Tom and Mary. She said that they frequently cycled into Athleague. The neighbor also said that Mary loved children and often gave them sweets. We turned the car around and spotted the house high on the hill. It is hard to say how much property was originally with the house. It might be as little as twenty acres or more than one hundred. It would have been an interesting question to ask Mr. McCann. At the entrance to the property there were two stone posts. We wal!
ked approximately 600 feet straight ahead and then turned to the left
and continued up a slight grade approximately 200 feet. It was a stone house with a door framed in an interlacing pattern of diamonds and ovals. There were quoins on the two front corners of the house. The front door was boarded up so we climbed through a back window into the kitchen which still had only a mud floor. At the front entry hall there was a staircase straight ahead and a hallway to the left of the staircase leading to the kitchen. There were two large rooms, one on each side of the entry hall both with interesting fireplaces. A stairway with nicely carved banisters, still intact, led to the second floor. The second floor like the first consisted of two large rooms, both with a fireplace. To the left of the house was a stone shed. There was also a spring on the property and someone said that many years ago it was used as a community spring. It was a great thrill to see the house where my grandmother was born and grew up. If only the cows had not roamed through it !
and destroyed the floors it would still be a picturesque house on a hill. After dinner that evening we went to a general store in Athleague and mentioned that my grandmother, Catherine Carr, was born in Coal Pits. They said that Mary Kelly’s sister, Mrs. Haughey, was still alive and lived in Athleague right next to the church. We also learned that there were Carrs in neighboring Fuerty Parish. We went to see Mrs. Haughey the next day and her son came to the door and said that his mother was very low. He asked if we could come back later. Unfortunately our schedule was tight and we reluctantly headed for Donegal." James Carr is most likely buried in the Bronx, New York or Hudson County, New Jersey.
Unfinished Tasks:
There is a James Carr in the 1920 US Census living in Manhattan, married to a Sara X. The census says that he arrived in 1903 from Ireland and was born in 1874 or 1875. The problem with this record is that he is working as a railway conductor and is married. We know in 1918 he was a chauffer have been a street cleaner, and there is no family story about him being married.
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Surnames: CARR
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
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Message Board Post:
Hello Billy,
I am not replying about the John Carr married to Frances Sells, But, I am a descendant of a John "Jack" Carr, Born 10/10/1801 NC? This one is my 4G Grandfather.
He married 3/22/1822 Lauderdale Co. Ala. TO: Elizabeth Womack Born 2/7/1802 Rutherford Co. NC.
I know that Elizabeth's family migrated to Warren Co. TN. in 1810 (parents: Abner Womack & Martha Drucilla Byars), I am not sure how she and John Met, I have often wondered if he was born in Tennessee and met her there.
I have nothing on him before his marriage in 1822, NO parents or Siblings.
I thought I would include their children, You know how families are about repeating names.
Martha Poemelia 1824, Margaret A. 1825 (MY 3G), William (John?) 1826, Josephine R. 1828, Mary 1833, Elizabeth Ann 1834.
Any Help would GREATLY be appreciated!
Melinda Massey
Chickamauga, GA.