Whoops!
The Sail1620 article (found on the archive link) on the Carpenter Sisters has serious
problems with the Carpenter ancestry. Simply it has bad info. The primary focus on the
daughters is more accurate.
The rejected Wiki article I cited is better in details.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA USA
Carpenter Cousins Project
http://carpentercousins.com
From: John R. Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:41 AM
To: CarpenterCousins(a)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Alice Carpenter and the Carpenter Sisters of Plymouth
Hello,
Once upon a time there was an article on Alice Carpenter Southworth Bradford and her
sisters at:
http://www.sail1620.org/discover_biography_the_carpenter_sisters_of_leide...
However it appears to have been moved. I only have a snidbit of it ...
The Carpenter Sisters of Leiden
by Robert Jennings Heinsohn, Ph.D., SMDPA
No, the Carpenter sisters (Mary, Alice, Juliana, and Priscilla, Agnes) were not a Pilgrim
vocal group; rather, they were five sisters in John Robinson's congregation in Leiden
who (or their children) became important members of Plymouth during its formative years.
After 1620 four of them traveled to Plymouth where three married former Leiden men. A
great deal has been written about the prominent men in Plymouth, but far less has been
written about their wives. The women raised the children, maintained hearth and home, and
sustained family life under the harsh physical conditions of the early years. The presence
of families in Plymouth was one of the reasons the colony was more successful than other
English settlements containing only men.
... More at the web site above. ...
(UPDATE) Try the following archive link:
http://archive.is/W8Ip2
Then there is an rejected article (mainly not notable enough) on Wikipedia that provides
some details to what Gene wrote about. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jrcrin001/Carpenter_sisters
I will cite only a portion here.
The death rate for the first 102 colonists and residents in Plymouth was about 50% that
first year. As William Bradford wrote, "of these one hundred persons who came over in
this first ship together, the greatest half died in the general mortality, and most of
them in two or three months' time".[30]
Of the 16 females, 12 died that first winter for a mortality rate of 75%.[24] Between 1621
and 1627 only 6 colonists died, half were women.[5] Mortality rates were high for both
mother and child; one birth in thirty resulted in the death of the mother, resulting in
one in five women dying in childbirth. Infant mortality rates were high, with 12% of
children dying before their first birthday.[24]
Alice Carpenter Southworth Bradford’s death eulogy was probably typical of all the
Carpenter sisters.
—
"On the 26th day of March, 1670, Mistris Allice Bradford, Seni'r,
changed this life for the better,
haueing attained to fourscore years of age, or therabouts.
Shee was a godly matron, and much loued while shee liued,
and lamented, tho aged, when shee died,
and was honorabley enterred on the 29th day of the month aforsaid,
att New Plymouth."
Plymouth Colony Records, Vol. 8, p. 33[31] —
Sadly, the wives are often less notable to history because of their quiet dedicated
service. Often they are barely mentioned or given a brief mention, such as at:
https://www.sail1620.org/biographies/overview-william-bradford
It is sad that Sail1620 they now ignore the Carpenter Sisters.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA USA
Carpenter Cousins Project
http://carpentercousins.com
From: Gene Zubrinsky GeneZub(a)aol.com [CarpenterCousins]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 2:37 PM
To: CarpenterCousins(a)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CarpenterCousins] William Bradford and Susan Carpenter Longworth
Gov. Bradford’s second wife was not Susan but Alice (Carpenter) Longworth, daughter of
Alexander Carpenter of Wrington, Somersetshire [now Somerset]. No evidence has been found
even hinting at a link between the Wrington Carpenters and either the Shalbourne/Rehoboth
Carpenters or the Amesbury/Providence family. ”Alexander Carpenter from Wrington” was in
Amsterdam in 1600 and Leiden by 1611; Alice married Edward Southworth in Leiden in 1613.
Alexander apparently returned to Wrington, for his daughter Mary was still there in 1644
or 1646 (Robert Charles Anderson, The Pilgrim Migration: Immigrants to Plymouth Colony,
1620–1633 [Boston, 2004], 94). Alexander apparently had a son Nathaniel (bp. Bath,
Somersetshire, 25 July 1582; no further record), but only five daughters—Juliann, Agnes,
Alice, Mary, and Priscilla—came to New England, or married men who came to New England, or
both (Myrtle S. Hyde, "Addenda to MD 38[1988]:190,” Mayflower Descendant
39[1989]:182-83; Anderson, 93–95).
I cited Anderson’s Pilgrim Migration above because the Priscilla Carpenter sketch therein
augments the vital-event data he presented for Alexander’s daughters in The Great
Migration Begins (1995). Still, he provides only birth-year estimates, inexplicably
omitting the baptismal data contributed to the Mayflower Descendant by Myrtle Hyde, whose
1989 article he nevertheless acknowledges. Myrtle, now a Fellow of the American Society of
Genealogists, says this at the end of that piece: “Many records in England have been
searched to ascertain the parentage of Alexander Carpenter, without success.”
Gene Z.
On Dec 20, 2017, at 11:48 AM, John Carpenter johnmaccarpenter(a)gmail.com
[CarpenterCousins] <CarpenterCousins(a)yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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