John R, I'm not really sure how atDna helps.......as a descendant of both
Williams, would it help if I, a descendant of William of Rehoboth thru his
daughter Hannah, was tested? It doesn't sound like it. John Mac
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 9:41 AM, John R. Carpenter <jrcrin001(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Robin,
For those on Carpenter Roots Web, attachments are not allowed like on
CarpenterCousins Yahoo. So I provided a hyperlink in the intro.
(map of Plymouth Colony 1620-1691 from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Plymouth_Colony )
I hope this helps.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA USA
Carpenter Cousins Project
http://carpentercousins.com
-----Original Message----- From: Robin C
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 3:41 PM
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARPENTER] P.S.
Hello John:
Also, just FYI, I was unable to find a
map attachment (or any other attachment).
Robin
At 02:03 PM 12/1/2017, you wrote:
> Hello, The following email with one attachment (map of Plymouth Colony
> 1620-1691 from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Colony) was sent
> to the FTDNA atDNA Rehoboth Massachusetts project after two requests from
> Carpenter Cousins members regarding joining the said group. I feel this
> info may be of general interest to some Carpenter Cousins members. John R.
> Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA Carpenter Cousins Project
>
http://carpentercousins.com From: John R Carpenter 2 Sent: Friday,
> December 01, 2017 10:55 AM To: Kelly Subject: Rehoboth Massachsetts -
> Founding Families before 1750 Kelly, I was asked by a couple of our
> Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA members, who had taken autosomal DNA tests (atDNA),
> if they should join your Rehoboth Massachusetts atDNA type project. I told
> them that they could if they wanted to. And I also showed them a few
> problems in your experimental project. The following is some comments and
> observations with some info on an overlapping area (old Rehoboth) related
> to the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project. In regards to atDNA you mention
> that ... There is no guarantee that there will be any after 200+ years. So
> this is really an experiment. It may also be interesting from a mtDNA and
> Y-DNA aspect. Again quite experimental. I find it amusing that your
> Rehoboth Massachusetts atDNA project (
https://www.familytreedna.com
> /groups/rehoboth/about/background) has now ... A wonderful by-product of
> this project is that founding families Y-DNA is compiled all in one place.
> - Well maybe partly! I think you should generally acknowledge that many of
> the founding families surnames have their own Y-DNA surname projects.
> Secondly, you also fail to mention the problem of atDNA detections past 5-6
> generations back in time from the person who took the atDNA test or past
> the 7th generation. Something like this should be mentioned your
> methodology. Your no guarantee comment (cited above) is really a bit vague!
> Yes, I am aware that under the proper conditions, atDNA markers can be
> successfully tracked farther back a generation or two. But those are
> exceptions rather than the general rule taking multiple and careful
> triangulated atDNA tests using a super computer, such as via GEDMatch,
> compared to known paper trail genealogy. You should be aware that Y-DNA
> does not have the same problem of diminishing returns like atDNA does.
> Especially when triangulated with documented paper trails that are checked
> and cross-checked via multiple genetic genealogy triangulations. My 1638
> immigrant ancestor settled in the area of present day Rehoboth. He is
> William Carpenter-584 (b. abt 1605 England d. 7 Feb 1658/1659 in
> Rehoboth). The numberr after the surname is my database ID number. Gen.
> Name-ID (birth/death) - Approximate Percentage of atDNA from ... 1 -
> John R. Carpenter-1 (b.19xx Germany - Living) - 100% 2 - Richard
> Louis Carpenter-2 (b.1931 ND d. 2013 CA) - 50% 3 - Louis Jonathan
> Carpenter-3 (b.1892 ND d.1979 CA) - 25% 4 - Andrew James Carpenter-4
> (b.1851 WI d.1908 ND) - 12.5% 5 - Chauncy Carpenter-20634 (b.1818 PA
> d.1881 WI) - 6.25% 6 - Jedediah Carpenter-14059 (b.1776 NH d.1860
> PA) - 3.125% 7 - Samuel Carpenter-14052 (b.1741 MA d.1810 PA)
> - 1.5625% 8 - Charles Carpenter-4689 (b.1702 MA d.1744 MA) -
> 0.78125% * 9 - Samuel Carpenter Jr-110 (b.1661 MA d.1736 MA) -
> 0.390625% 10- Samuel Carpenter-108 (b.1638 MA d.1682 MA) -
> 0.1953125% 11- William Carpenter-584 (b.1605 Eng d. 1658/1659) -
> 0.0976562% * Past this generation, the possibility of random atDNA matches
> increases substantially. The centimorgan (cm) matches are more likely to
> be just be Identical by State (IBS i.e., by random chance), rather thhan
> Identical by Descent (IBD i.e. real genetic cousinns). In summary, my
> Rehoboth ancestors, who only stayed in Rehoboth a few generations before
> moving elsewhere in Massachusetts and else where, now only make up a very
> tiny amount of my atDNA cm segments and that is now indistinguishable from
> the general back ground noise or reliable detectability. FYI The
> Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Prroject, Group 3 come from the area covered by the
> Rehoboth within the Plymouth Colony. This general area being Early
> Rehoboth, also known as Old Rehoboth. That included all of what is present
> day Seekonk, Massachusetts, and East Providence, Rhode Island, as well as
> parts of the nearby communities of Attleboro, North Attleborough, Swansea
> and Somerset in Massachusetts, and Barrington, Bristol, Warren, Pawtucket,
> Cumberland, and Woonsocket in Rhode Island. Group 2 is was from the current
> area in and around Cranston (old Pawtuxet), and overlapping parts of
> Providence County, Rhode Island today. See the attached image. Technically
> your Rehoboth Massachusetts atDNA project covers the same area as described
> for Group 3 and overlapping a little into Group 2. The Group 2 ancestor
> William Carpenter-662 (b. abt 1608 England d. 1685 RI) immigrated in
> 1635, settled and died in present day Providence County, RI. The Group 3
> ancestor William Carpenter-584 (b. abt 1605 England d. 7 Feb 1658/1659 in
> Rehoboth and iss buried in present day Newman Cemetery, East Providence,
> Providence, RI). There is only three (3) DYS discriminators out of 111
> Y-DNA markers to tell these two groups apart. In other words, they match
> 108 of 111 markers or they have a genetic distance of 3 at 111 markers from
> their group means. Group 2 has about 51 members and Group 3 has about 84
> for a total of about 135 members with the genetic profile for Group2/3.
> This total is about one third of the Carpenter Cousins members that
> includes Y-DNA testing from multiple DNA testing companies. And they are
> but 2 of the 108 unique genetic profiles or fingerprints in the Carpenter
> Cousins Y-DNA Project. It should be noted that the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA
> Project accepts the surnames of Carpenter, Zimmerman (old German for
> Carpenter) and those who significantly match the Y-DNA finger profiles or
> finger prints of organized sub-groups. The later are often with formal or
> informal adoptions involving Carpenters or Zimmermans. Accepted name
> variants are also accepted. The Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project is one of
> the better Y-DNA Projects that not only shows the DYS markers from testing
> at FTDNA, but all DNA testing companies our members tested with. In
> addition, we are one of the few that has drop down lineages for our groups
> showing the interrelatedness of our members. This shows that we have done
> our due diligence with genetic triangulation using genetic testing (Y-DNA)
> matching and comparing paper trail genealogies back to the most recent
> common ancestor (MRCA). This means we not only say, but show, that they are
> genetically and genealogically related. And when the genealogy is
> incomplete back to the MRCA, we clearly show that they are genetically
> related but not genealogically. The DYS markers for each member are
> enumerated by Y-DNA results tables (4) and sub-grouping on our main
> Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA page. The related lineages are linked to the ID
> number on Table 1 (
http://carpentercousins.com/carpdna.htm#table1) or
> can be found via keyword search on the lineage page. The Group 3 lineages
> are at:
http://carpentercousins.com/generallineage.htm#reho Best Wishes,
> John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA FTDNA # 5734 Carpenter Cousins Project
>
http://carpentercousins.com Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project
>
http://www.carpentercousins.com/carpdna.htm Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA
> Project lineage page
http://www.carpentercousins.com/generallineage.htm
>
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