Dear Audrey,
Here is what I have. See below.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
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From: "Gregory Bowne" <gregbowne(a)earthlink.net>
To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 11:09 AM
Subject: [CARPENTER] CARPENTER - BOWNE marriage
I would like info on a CARPENTER Marring a BOWNE
thanks for any info
Audrey Bowne
Seattle
gregbowne(a)earthlink.net
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Three Bownes and their Descendants
from the CE CD 2001
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Modified Register for John BOWNE-16141
First Generation
1. John BOWNE-16141 was born about 1630 in of, Essex, MA.
John married (MRIN:3105) Lydia HOLMES-16140, daughter of Obadiah HOLMES
Rev.-16126 and Catherine HYDE-16127 (MRIN:6800), on 26 Dec 1665. Lydia was
born on 27 Nov 1637 in of, Essex, MA.
They had the following children:
+ 2 F i. Sarah BOWEN-7537 was born on 27 Nov 1669.
Second Generation
2. Sarah BOWEN-7537 (John) was born on 27 Nov 1669 in of, , MA.
NAME:BOWEN but one record has it has BOWNE.
E-MAIL: From: "Norman W. Perks" <nperks(a)home.com> 11/09/2001
12:29 PM
Subject: Carpenter/Bowne
To: "John R. Carpenter" <jrcrin001(a)home.com>
Hi John,
Our records concerning Bowne/Carpenter marriages agree with the data you
sent except for one difference, plus we
have in addition
UNKOWN Carpenter b 1758 m !776 to Elizabeth Bowne b 1758
John B Carpenter m UNKNOWN Bowne [no dates available]
We differ in that the Sarah Bowne b 11/27/1669 daughter of John Bowne &
Lydia Holmes m 1691
Richard Salter/Saltar b 1669 and their child Hannah Bowne Salter m Mordecai
Lincoln an ancestor of
Abraham. This is pretty well documented and you can check any reference to
the Lincoln ancestry. I
have no record of a Sarah Bowne married to anyone named Abel.
Also we have the dates of birth for John as 1630 and for Lydia
11/27/1637 m 12/26/1665
Thanks for sending the Carpenter data.
Norman W. Perks
Sarah married (1-MRIN:3104) Preserved ABEL Lt.-7536. Preserved was born
about 1668 in of, , MA.
First name in AF was "Lt.".
Preserved and Sarah had the following children:
+ 3 M i. Joshua ABELL-8464 was born on 8 Jun 1695 and died on 16 Mar
1731/1732.
Sarah also married (2-MRIN:31879) Richard SALTER-88364 in 1691. Richard was
born in 1669.
They had the following children:
4 F ii. Hannah Bowne SALTER-88365 was born about 1692.
Hannah married (MRIN:31880) Mordecai LINCOLN-88366. Mordecai was born about
1692.
Third Generation
3. Joshua ABELL-8464 (Sarah BOWEN, John) was born on 8 Jun 1695 in
Rehoboth, Bristol, MA. He died on 16 Mar 1731/1732 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
Joshua married (MRIN:3653) Rebecca CARPENTER-8463, daughter of David
CARPENTER-117 and Rebecca HUNT A Widow-941 (MRIN:125), on 16 Jan 1720 in
Rehoboth, MA. Rebecca was born on 17 Oct 1698 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
Number 283 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 81.
Joshua and Rebecca had the following children:
+ 5 M i. Robert ABELL Capt.-8470 was born on 11 Nov 1721.
6 M ii. Joshua ABELL-8471 was born about 1723 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA. He
died before 1725 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
7 F iii. Sara ABELL-8472 was born on 31 Mar 1723 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
8 M iv. Joshua ABELL-8473 was born on 3 Feb 1725 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
He died on 6 Nov 1729 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
9 F v. Abigail ABELL-8474 was born on 6 Sep 1727 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
Abigail married (MRIN:3657) John EASTABROOKS-8475 on 5 Nov 1747. John was
born about 1727.
10 F vi. Joanna ABEL-8476 was born on 10 Jun 1729 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
Joanna married (MRIN:3658) Ebenezer LUTHER-8477 on 20 Jan 1750/1751.
Ebenezer was born on 3 Apr 1726 in Swansea, Bristol, MA.
11 M vii. Joshua ABELL-8478 was born on 16 Jul 1731 in Rehoboth, Bristol,
MA. He died on 29 Aug 1811.
Joshua married (MRIN:3659) Elizabeth LYON-8479 on 2 Mar 1753. Elizabeth was
born about 1731.
Fourth Generation
5. Robert ABELL Capt.-8470 (Joshua ABELL, Sarah BOWEN, John) was born on 11
Nov 1721 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
Robert married (MRIN:3656) Mary THOMPSON-62741 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
Mary was born about 1721 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
They had the following children:
+ 12 M i. Preserved ABELL-62742 was born on 4 Oct 1750.
Fifth Generation
12. Preserved ABELL-62742 (Robert ABELL, Joshua ABELL, Sarah BOWEN, John)
was born on 4 Oct 1750 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA and was christened on 6 Oct
1750 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
Preserved married (MRIN:9342) Elizabeth CARPENTER-22843, daughter of Thomas
CARPENTER-20748 and Elizabeth MOULTON-20749 (MRIN:8532), on 16 Jan 1777 in
Rehoboth, Bristol, MA. Elizabeth was born on 22 Dec 1755 in Rehoboth,
Bristol, MA. She died in 1791.
Number 1873 on page 255 in the Carpenter Memorial.
Family listed on same page.
Preserved and Elizabeth had the following children:
13 F i. Elizabeth ABELL-62743 was born about 1790 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA.
Elizabeth married (MRIN:22891) Ira CARPENTER-62744, son of Elihu or Elihue
CARPENTER-19407 and Martha HUTCHINS-19313 (MRIN:7949), in Rehoboth, Bristol,
MA. Ira was born on 16 Feb 1786 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA. He died on 16 Dec
1831 in Sturbridge, , MA.
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Modified Register for Eliza Southgate BOWNE-88170
First Generation
1. Eliza Southgate BOWNE-88170 was born about 1825 in of, New York City, ,
NY.
Eliza married (MRIN:31833) Spencer H. SMITH-88169. Spencer was born about
1825 in of, New York City, , NY.
They had the following children:
+ 2 F i. Caroline Bowne SMITH-88167 was born on 29 Jan 1852.
Second Generation
2. Caroline Bowne SMITH-88167 (Eliza Southgate) was born on 29 Jan 1852 in
of, New York City, , NY.
She was the gr. gr. dau. of Walter Bowne, Mayor of New York 1829-1833.
Caroline married (MRIN:8326) Charles Whitney CARPENTER-20240, son of George
Washington CARPENTER-20239 and Mary Ann BURTON-49849 (MRIN:8325), on 16 Oct
1879 in New York City, , NY. Charles was born on 13 Mar 1847 in Albany, ,
NY.
Corrections to this Carpenter line made from the following material.
SEE: The Hereditary Register of the United States of America, 1973, Page
589.
BOOK: Colonial Families of the United States. By George Norbury MacKenzie.
Page 109 Starts the description of Charles Whitney Carpenter of New York
City who was born in Albany, New York,
13th March, 1847; m. 16th October, 1879, by Rev. Stephen E. Tyng, Jr., D.D.,
Caroline Bowne Smith, b. 29th
January, 1852 daughter of Spencer H. Smith and Elizabeth Southgate Bowne of
New York City, and gr. gr. daughter
of Walter Bowne, Mayor of New York 1829-1833.
Charles Whitney Carpenter was educated at the albany Boys Academy. After a
clerkship in a wholesale grocery house
in Albany, he went to New York and took the position of bookkeeper and
cashier with the firm of J. N. Perkins and
Company, of New York and London. Here his great energy and commanding
ability gained quick recognition, and in
1888 Mr. Carpenter became a member of that firm, the largest and the most
famous manufactures of printing presses
in the world.
COAT OF ARMS: The greyhound Coat of Arms is pictured on page 109. On page
113 the article describes it as
follows with additional information:
Arms - Argent, a greyhound passant sable, a chief sable.
Crest - A greyhound's head, erased, per fesse sable and argent.
Motto - Celeritas, Virtus, Fidelitas.
Residence - 526 West End Avenue, New York City.
Clubs - Metropolitan, Pilgrims, Union League and Grolier, all of New York.
Societies - Sons of the American Revolution, New England Society.
SEE: Misc PIC subdirectory.
Charles and Caroline had the following children:
+ 3 F i. Lillian CARPENTER-88171 was born on 11 Apr 1881.
+ 4 M ii. George Washington CARPENTER-20241 was born on 23 Aug 1882.
+ 5 F iii. Florence CARPENTER-88172 was born on 2 Nov 1883.
+ 6 M iv. Charles Whitney CARPENTER Jr.-88173 was born on 23 Dec 1884.
7 F v. Adele CARPENTER-88174 was born on 4 May 1886 in Albany, , NY.
+ 8 F vi. Beatrice CARPENTER-88175 was born on 15 Jul 1887.
9 F vii. Jessie CARPENTER-88188 was born on 18 Dec 1888 in Albany, , NY.
She died on 10 Jan 1891 in Albany, , NY.
10 M viii. Arthur CARPENTER-88189 was born on 16 Dec 1891 in Albany, , NY.
He died on 7 Sep 1892 in Albany, , NY.
Third Generation
3. Lillian CARPENTER-88171 (Caroline Bowne SMITH, Eliza Southgate) was born
on 11 Apr 1881 in Albany, , NY.
MARRIAGE: Married by Rev. Henry Evertson COBB, D.D. (D.C.?).
Lillian married (MRIN:31834) Elliott Douglas CURTIS-88176, son of Charles B.
CURTIS-88177 (MRIN:31835), on 1 Jun 1911 in , , NY. Elliott was born about
1881 in , , NY.
They had the following children:
11 F i. Carolyn Bowne CURTIS-88214 was born on 11 May 1912 in , , NY.
12 F ii. Isabel Douglas CURTIS-88215 was born on 4 Oct 1913 in , , NY.
4. George Washington CARPENTER-20241 (Caroline Bowne SMITH, Eliza
Southgate) was born on 23 Aug 1882 in Albany, , NY.
MARRIAGE: Married by the Bishop of Delaware, Frederick Joseph KINSMAN.
George married (MRIN:8327) Dorothy MILLEN-88178, daughter of Loring
MILLEN-88179 (MRIN:31836), on 1 Jun 1912 in New York City, , NY. Dorothy was
born about 1882 in , , NY.
They had the following children:
13 F i. Carolyne Bowne CARPENTER-88180 was born on 13 Oct 1913 in , , NY.
5. Florence CARPENTER-88172 (Caroline Bowne SMITH, Eliza Southgate) was
born on 2 Nov 1883 in Albany, , NY.
MARRIAGE: Married by Rev. Henry Evertson COBB, D.D..
Florence married (MRIN:31837) William Henry GELSHENEN-88181, son of William
Henry GELSHENEN-88182 (MRIN:31838), on 1 Jun 1905 in , , NY. William was
born about 1883.
They had the following children:
14 F i. Kathleen Adele GELSHENEN-88183 was born on 2 Mar 1906 in , , NY.
15 M ii. William Henry GELSHENEN Jr.-88184 was born on 26 May 1907 in , ,
NY.
6. Charles Whitney CARPENTER Jr.-88173 (Caroline Bowne SMITH, Eliza
Southgate) was born on 23 Dec 1884 in Albany, , NY.
Charles married twice, first names of spouses not known, but they were
sisters whose last name was Whitney?
NOTE: This family and descendants do not match Colonial Families of the
United States data.
.
Charles married (1-MRIN:8328) Anne WHITNEY-20245 about 1914 in , , NY. Anne
was born about 1884 in , , NY.
First name unknown, but likely was the similar to her daughter.
Charles and Anne had the following children:
16 F i. Anne Whitney CARPENTER-20243 was born about 1916 in , , NY.
Anne married (MRIN:8330) Joseph M. GRISKA Jr.-20244 about 1938 in , , NY.
Joseph was born about 1910 in , , NY.
Charles also married (2-MRIN:8329) Suzanne WHITNEY-20246 about 1922 in , ,
NY. Suzanne was born about 1888 in , , NY.
First name unknown, but likely was the similar to her daughter.
Charles and Suzanne had the following children:
17 M ii. Suzanne Whitney CARPENTER-20247 was born about 1924 in , , NY.
8. Beatrice CARPENTER-88175 (Caroline Bowne SMITH, Eliza Southgate) was
born on 15 Jul 1887 in Albany, , NY.
MARRIAGE: Married by Rev. Henry Evertson COBB, D.D..
Beatrice married (MRIN:31839) Candler COBB-88185, son of Henry Ives
COBB-88186 (MRIN:31840), on 20 Dec 1910 in , , NY. Candler was born about
1887 in , , NY.
They had the following children:
18 F i. Beatrice Candler COBB-88187 was born on 8 Oct 1911 in , , NY.
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Modified Register for Thomas BOWNE-22586
First Generation
1. Thomas BOWNE-22586 was born on 23 Oct 1755 in of, Westchester, NY.
A farmer. Maybe born about 1755 in Flushing?
Thomas married (MRIN:9243) Elizabeth CARPENTER-22581, daughter of Jacob
CARPENTER-19919 and Hannah PEARCE-19924 (MRIN:8161), on 25 Nov 1777 in ,
Westchester, NY. Elizabeth was born on 1 Oct 1758 in Musketa Cove, Oyster
Bay, Queens, LI.
Number 136 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Her husband was a miller and a farmer.
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