David,
Thanks for the kind words. I always fear when I print something that
readers will make conclusions not intended. I also think it is wise to
document, document, document. The reader can go behind the researcher to
determine whether the sources used are quality.
Again thanks for the kind words.
Robert Carpenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Greenwood" <daveyg33(a)yahoo.com>
To: "Robert and Sue Carpenter" <rcarpenter2(a)charter.net>;
<CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish,
Stafford Co., Virginia
Just for the record, Robert your book never
confused me about Yelverton, and couldn't confuse
any objective researcher. The tentative
placement of Yelverton in your book is clearly
noted as unproved. In remarking about bringing a
higher standard for proof to Carpenter family
history research, I should have gone on to say
"on the internet." The problem is on the internet
where people state relationships as though they
are proved, when in fact they are not proved, and
others pick it up and repeat it without sourcing
their data. Your book is exceptionally well
researched and you don't draw final conclusions
without clear and documented proof. Researchers
on the internet need to follow your lead, and
clearly identify unproved placements. That's
what Laurie is doing, and I'm sure we all hope to
see more of that.
Dave
--- Robert and Sue Carpenter
<rcarpenter2(a)charter.net> wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> I am one of the people who confused everyone
> about the ancestry of Yelverton
> Carpenter. When I did my book, Carpenters A
> Plenty, in the 1980's I
> corresponded with a number of descendants of
> Yelverton. All thought he was
> German. His movement from NC to SC and then to
> Tennessee seemed to mirror
> other Carpenters I was tracing.
>
> So I suggested that he might be related and
> showed how he might be related
> to the Carpenter/Zimmermans I was tracing. I
> really put a "?" next to his
> name and his lineage number in my book. I
> never made the conclusion that he
> was related to our family and that I had proven
> his relationship. I printed
> what I had in hopes that someone could prove or
> disprove it.
>
> I am very happy now that the DNA project has
> disproven that he was a
> Zimmerman. I have had great difficulty in
> locating primary source
> documentation of Stephen Carpenter. I found
> Reuben and Fielding and
> Yelverton. I have had lots of trouble locating
> anything on Stephen. I
> suspected after printing Carpenters A Plenty
> that Stephen may have birthed a
> number of these mountain NC, Tennessee, and
> Kentucky Carpenters. But
> without finding a will, estate papers, or
> almost anything on Stephen making
> the case was really hard. I also suspected,
> now incorrectly, that Stephen
> and his sons were somehow related to the
> Mathias Zimmerman of Stokes, then
> Yancey County, NC. Mathias was not a Moravian
> and I still wonder if he is
> related to my Zimmerman family. Maybe the DNA
> project will solve that one
> too.
>
> For the record my book and my research involved
> the Zimmermans who arrived
> on the ship Pink Plaisance in 1732, who lived
> until the 1750's in Lancaster
> County, Pa, who moved in the middle 1750's to
> Lincoln County, NC, and whose
> descendants spread throughout NC and the west.
> All the family changed their
> name to Carpenter.
>
> I am very pleased that the ancestry of
> Yelverton, Fielding, Reuben, and
> others is now secure. I am glad that this
> information was shared on this
> list.
>
> Robert Carpenter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Greenwood" <daveyg33(a)yahoo.com>
> To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary
> CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish,
> Stafford Co., Virginia
>
>
> > Laurie,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply. I research
> southern
> > lines of germanic origin and would certainly
> be
> > very pleased to know that Stephen has been
> > positively linked, since he has at times been
> > said to have a germanic connection through
> > Yelverton Carpenter, which has not been borne
> out
> > by more recent research. It is good to see
> > serious researchers like you bringing a
> higher
> > standard for proof to Carpenter family
> history
> > research.
> >
> > I might point out in case the transcript of
> the
> > Overwharton Parish records you have does not
> > include it, that the same records that show
> the
> > birth of John's and Mary's son Charles
> Carpenter
> > on 6 September 1756, go on to show that
> Charles
> > died 10 October 1756, so there is no
> connection
> > between this Charles and any living Charles
> > subsequent to that date.
> >
> > Again, thanks for your reply, and best wishes
> for
> > success in your search.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > --- L Carpenter <lcarpenter(a)direcway.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello David and fellow researchers,
> > >
> > > Please excuse me for not stating that the
> > > Stephen Carpenter who went to NC,
> > > GA, and TN, is assumed to be the son
> (Stephen)
> > > of John and Mary b. June 24,
> > > 1737.
> > > As most researchers of Stephen Carpenter
> > > (NC>GA>TN) have found, it has been
> > > a tough road in the locating of written
> > > documentation as well as census and
> > > marriage/death records or wills and most of
> us
> > > have yet to prove his
> > > children.
> > >
> > > What has drawn me to researching John and
> Mary
> > > of Overwharton Parish,
> > > Stafford Co., Virginia, is the conclusion
> that
> > > the CARPENTER Y-DNA project
> > > (see Carpenter Southern Cousins Y-DNA
> project
> > > by Terry Lee Carpenter) has
> > > found there to be an exact match between
> > > Stephen of NC, GA and TN to that
> > > of Benjamin Carpenter of Amherst Co.,
> Virginia.
> > > It is also assumed that
> > > Benjamin of Amherst was the son of John and
> > > Mary as well born Oct. 5, 1746.
> > >
> > > A Couple of other matches with Stephen and
> > > Benjamin is Temple Carpenter (b.
> > > abt. 1769 NC) who is assumed to have been
> the
> > > son of Thomas Owen Carpenter
> > > (b. abt. 1740) of Moore Co., North Carolina
> and
> > > Reuben Carpenter b. abt.
> > > 1776. who died in South Carolina.
> > >
> > > As I have planned for a trip to Virginia
> and
> > > the Carolina's in the Fall. I
> > > am looking to gather more information prior
> to
> > > my leaving, in hopes to
> > > narrow down searching for documents and
> saving
> > > sometime. In prior search of
> > > documents, I have found connections, clues
> as
> > > well as proof in searching
> > > back further. Hoping that something here
> may
> > > pan out as well. *Keeping
> > > fingers crossed*
> > >
> > > I would like to THANK Terry Carpenter for
> his
> > > wonderful summary to the
> > > Southern Carpenter lines, as well as John
> > > Carpenter for all his work on the
> > > Carpenter DNA project. I am sure that I am
> not
> > > the only one who greatly
> > > appreciates all the work the two of you
> have
> > > done for this group.
> > >
> > > Now just to convince my own brother to
> > > participate in Y-DNA project so he
> > > doesn't feel someone is just trying to
> clone
> > > him. (ha ha)
> > >
> > > Thank you for your time,
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Laurie Carpenter
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Greenwood"
> <daveyg33(a)yahoo.com>
> > > To: "L Carpenter" <lcarpenter(a)direcway.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary
> > > CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish,
> > > Stafford Co., Virginia
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Regarding your statement "Stephen went on
> to
> > > > North Carolina, Georgia and then to
> > > Tennessee", I
> > > > am very interested in how you proved that
> > > Stephen
> > > > Carpenter is identical to the one born
> 1737
> > > in
> > > > Overwharton Parish. Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > David Greenwood
> > > >
> > > > --- L Carpenter <lcarpenter(a)direcway.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello fellow list members,
> > > > >
> > > > > Just wanted to share some information I
> > > came
> > > > > across that I have not seen posted
> anywhere
> > > in
> > > > > regards to this couple and line.
> > > > >
> > > > > John and Mary Carpenter of Overwharton
> > > Parish,
> > > > > Stafford County, Virginia had the
> following
> > > > > children listed in the Overwharton
> Parish
> > > > > Records for 1720-1760.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen Carpenter born June 24, 1737
> > > > > John Carpenter born May 15, 1739
> > > > > William Carpenter born May 5, 1742
> > > > > Thomas Carpenter born August 7, 1744
> > > > > Benjamin Carpenter b. October 5, 1746
> > > > > Ann (Nanny) Carpenter born October 16,
> 1748
> > > > > George Carpenter born March 24, 1753
> > > > > Charles Carpenter born September 6,
> 1756
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to gather more information
> on
> > > the
> > > > > above individuals if anyone has
> something
> > > to
> > > > > share.
> > > > >
> > > > > As most know, Stephen went on to North
> > > > > Carolina, Georgia and then to Tennessee
> > > where
> > > > > he is said to have died. As for the
> others,
> > > I
> > > > > have just came across this information
> and
> > > am
> > > > > just beginning to research more.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your time,
> > > > >
> > > > > Laurie Carpenter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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