Marcie,
<< Does anyone know how accurate this information is, at least to a certain
point? Am I safe in using it to glean more information? >>
Emphatically, no!!! Generations 1-6 have been definitively refuted;
generations 7-9, although probably linked correctly to each other (with some
errors), have not been demonstrated to be related to generation 10; and generations
10+ are riddled with errors. Most of the latter data appears to have come
ultimately from Amos B. Carpenter, A Genealogical History of the Rehoboth
Branch of the Carpenter Family in America, which is highly unreliable.
For what is and is not known about the earliest generations of Rehoboth
Carpenters, see The American Genealogist 70(1995):193-204, and The New England
Historical and Genealogical Register 159(2005):64-66. For John3 Carpenter
(your generation 12) and a couple of generations of his descendants, see Herbert
F. Seversmith, Colonial Families of Long Island, New York and Connecticut, 5
vols. (Washington, D.C., 1939-1958), 2:544-51. (I see that the Samuel you
have at generation 13 is the wrong one, as are his wife and children. How
many subsequent generations that nullifies, I can't say.) One of the finest
genealogists of his time, Seversmith personally researched John3 and his
descendants. Ignore, however, the material on earlier generations, which Seversmith
warns the reader is simply a repetition of Amos B. Carpenter and contains
many errors.
Gene Z.
In a message dated 6/28/2007 12:02:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
carpenter-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:11:03 -0600
From: Rocky Mountain Hi RV Park <rmhc(a)bigsky.net>
Subject: [CARPENTER] John Russell Carpenter 1900-1972 Michigan
To: CARPENTER(a)rootsweb.com
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Hi,
Actually I have no Carpenter connections. :( But... I am working on
the family history of a dear lady who is 70 years old and only knew her
dad by his name ~Jack Carpenter. Her name is Roberta Carpenter Bowen
Cantrall. She is 70 years old and she helps in the office here at my RV
Park. She has one photo of her dad and his sister in law. I asked to see
her old photos and that is what started all of this. You know how it
goes! I started to do some searching for her. It goes like this:
John Russell Nelson Carpenter b: 28 Apr 1900 Clearwater, Wexford Co.
MI m: Mary Jeanne Burlingame c1935 Had 5 children. (We have since
found out that he was married prior to this and had 2 more children.)
His parents were:
John R. Carpenter m: 08 Sept 1888 in Adrain, Lenawee Co, MI Melissa
May Bunting d/o of Nelson Matthew Bunting and Julia Carr.
his parents were
Winter Carpenter and Mary Chapman
his parents were
William L. Carpenter and Sarah
This is all census information.
I went searching again and I think that this family comes from
Rehoboth, Massachusetts.
Here is a report. Bobbi's Dad is #81.
Does anyone know how accurate this information is, at least to a certain
point? Am I safe in using it to glean more information? It came from a
descendant of John Russell's brother Andrew.
Descendants of John Carpenter
Generation No. 1
1. John1 Carpenter was born Bef. 1300 in Dilwyn, Hereford, England,
and died WFT Est. 1338-1391.
Child of John Carpenter is:
+ 2 i. Richard2 Carpenter, born Abt. 1335 in London, London, England;
died 1395 in London, London, England.
Generation No. 2
2. Richard2 Carpenter (John1) was born Abt. 1335 in London, London,
England, and died 1395 in London, London, England. He married ???
Christina Bef. 1372. She was born 1337, and died WFT Est. 1376-1432.
Children of Richard Carpenter and ??? Christina are:
3 i. Robert3 Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1355-1382; died WFT Est. 1361-1461.
4 ii. John Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1355-1382; died WFT Est. 1361-1461.
+ 5 iii. John Carpenter, born 1372 in London, London, England; died WFT
Est. 1393-1462.
Generation No. 3
5. John3 Carpenter (Richard2, John1) was born 1372 in London, London,
England, and died WFT Est. 1393-1462.
Children of John Carpenter are:
+ 6 i. John4 Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1392-1419 in England; died 1476 in
England.
7 ii. Margery Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1393-1422; died WFT Est. 1398-1504.
Generation No. 4
6. John4 Carpenter (John3, Richard2, John1) was born WFT Est.
1392-1419 in England, and died 1476 in England.
Child of John Carpenter is:
+ 8 i. William5 Carpenter, born Abt. 1440 in Homme, Hereford, England;
died 1520 in Hereford, England.
Generation No. 5
8. William5 Carpenter (John4, John3, Richard2, John1) was born Abt.
1440 in Homme, Hereford, England, and died 1520 in Hereford, England.
Children of William Carpenter are:
9 i. James6 Carpenter, born Abt. 1460; died WFT Est. 1461-1550.
10 ii. John Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1461-1490; died WFT Est. 1467-1569.
11 iii. William Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1461-1490; died WFT Est. 1467-1569.
+ 12 iv. Richard Carpenter, born Abt. 1470; died WFT Est. 1499-1561.
Generation No. 6
12. Richard6 Carpenter (William5, John4, John3, Richard2, John1) was
born Abt. 1470, and died WFT Est. 1499-1561.
Children of Richard Carpenter are:
13 i. Peter7 Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1491-1520; died WFT Est. 1497-1599.
+ 14 ii. Robert Carpenter, born Abt. 1495 in Ramsbury, Wiltshire,
England; died Abt. 1545.
Generation No. 7
14. Robert7 Carpenter (Richard6, William5, John4, John3, Richard2,
John1) was born Abt. 1495 in Ramsbury, Wiltshire, England, and died Abt.
1545. He married ??? Elizabeth WFT Est. 1509-1537. She was born WFT
Est. 1480-1504, and died WFT Est. 1523-1592.
Children of Robert Carpenter and ??? Elizabeth are:
15 i. Thomas8 Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1516-1542; died WFT Est. 1522-1622.
16 ii. Ambrose Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1516-1542; died WFT Est. 1521-1625.
17 iii. Christopher Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1516-1542; died WFT Est.
1522-1622.
18 iv. Agnes Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1516-1542; died WFT Est. 1521-1625.
19 v. Alice Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1516-1542; died WFT Est. 1521-1625.
20 vi. Elizabeth Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1516-1542; died WFT Est.
1521-1625.
+ 21 vii. William Carpenter, born Abt. 1520 in Marden, Wiltshire,
England; died 1587 in Marden, Wiltshire, England.
Generation No. 8
21. William8 Carpenter (Robert7, Richard6, William5, John4, John3,
Richard2, John1) was born Abt. 1520 in Marden, Wiltshire, England, and
died 1587 in Marden, Wiltshire, England. He married ??? Elizabeth WFT
Est. 1534-1567. She was born WFT Est. 1502-1529, and died WFT Est.
1562-1619.
Children of William Carpenter and ??? Elizabeth are:
+ 22 i. Robert9 Carpenter, born 1540 in Marden, Wiltshire, England; died
1607 in Marden, Wiltshire, England.
23 ii. John Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1541-1569; died WFT Est. 1547-1648.
24 iii. Alice Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1541-1569; died WFT Est. 1546-1651.
25 iv. Maude Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1541-1569; died WFT Est. 1546-1651.
26 v. William Carpenter, born Aft. 1550; died WFT Est. 1551-1640.
27 vi. Richard Carpenter, born Abt. 1560; died WFT Est. 1561-1650.
Generation No. 9
22. Robert9 Carpenter (William8, Robert7, Richard6, William5, John4,
John3, Richard2, John1) was born 1540 in Marden, Wiltshire, England, and
died 1607 in Marden, Wiltshire, England. He married ??? Eleanor WFT
Est. 1557-1589. She was born WFT Est. 1535-1556, and died WFT Est.
1579-1644.
Children of Robert Carpenter and ??? Eleanor are:
28 i. Richard10 Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1561-1589; died WFT Est. 1567-1668.
29 ii. Charles Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1561-1589; died WFT Est. 1567-1668.
30 iii. Alice Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1561-1589; died WFT Est. 1566-1671.
31 iv. John Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1561-1589; died WFT Est. 1567-1668.
+ 32 v. William Carpenter, born 1576 in Marden, Wiltshire, England; died
Aft. 1638 in England.
Generation No. 10
32. William10 Carpenter (Robert9, William8, Robert7, Richard6,
William5, John4, John3, Richard2, John1) was born 1576 in Marden,
Wiltshire, England, and died Aft. 1638 in England.
Notes for William Carpenter:
Came to America in 1638 and returned to England, leaving his son William
with his wife Abigail and their children at Weymouth.
Facts about this person:
Emigration 1638
Ship "Bevis" to Weymouth, MA
More About William Carpenter:
Fact 1: See Note Page
Child of William Carpenter is:
+ 33 i. William Carpenter11 Jr., born 1605 in England; died 07 Feb 1658
in Rehoboth, Bristol, Ma.
Generation No. 11
33. William Carpenter11 Jr. (William10 Carpenter, Robert9, William8,
Robert7, Richard6, William5, John4, John3, Richard2, John1) was born
1605 in England, and died 07 Feb 1658 in Rehoboth, Bristol, Ma. He
married Abigail Bennett Abt. 1626 in England. She was born WFT Est.
1591-1615, and died WFT Est. 1646-1705.
Children of William Jr. and Abigail Bennett are:
+ 34 i. John12 Carpenter, born Abt. 1630 in England; died 23 May 1695 in
Jamaica, Long Island, NY.
35 ii. William Carpenter, born 1631; died WFT Est. 1632-1721.
36 iii. Joseph Carpenter, born Abt. 1633; died WFT Est. 1634-1723.
37 iv. Hannah Carpenter, born 03 Apr 1640; died WFT Est. 1641-1734.
38 v. Abigail Carpenter, born 09 Apr 1643 in Weymouth, Ma; died WFT Est.
1644-1737.
Notes for Abigail Carpenter:
A twin to Abiah
39 vi. Abiah Carpenter, born 09 Apr 1643 in Weymouth, Ma; died WFT Est.
1644-1737.
Notes for Abiah Carpenter:
A twin to Abigail
40 vii. Samuel Carpenter, born Abt. 1644; died WFT Est. 1645-1734.
Generation No. 12
34. John12 Carpenter (William Carpenter11 Jr., William10 Carpenter,
Robert9, William8, Robert7, Richard6, William5, John4, John3, Richard2,
John1) was born Abt. 1630 in England, and died 23 May 1695 in Jamaica,
Long Island, NY. He married Hannah Smith WFT Est. 1647-1680. She was
born WFT Est. 1622-1649, and died WFT Est. 1696-1739.
Children of John Carpenter and Hannah Smith are:
41 i. Temperance13 Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1651-1679; died WFT Est.
1656-1761.
42 ii. John Carpenter, born Bet. 1655 - 1658; died WFT Est. 1657-1758.
43 iii. Hope Carpenter, born Abt. 1660; died WFT Est. 1661-1754.
44 iv. William Carpenter, born Bet. 1662 - 1668; died WFT Est. 1657-1758.
45 v. Ruth Carpenter, born Abt. 1664; died WFT Est. 1665-1758.
46 vi. Solomon Carpenter, born Abt. 1671; died WFT Est. 1672-1761.
+ 47 vii. Samuel Carpenter, born Abt. 1695 in Jamaica, Long Island, NY;
died 01 Nov 1752 in Goshen, NY.
Generation No. 13
47. Samuel13 Carpenter (John12, William Carpenter11 Jr., William10
Carpenter, Robert9, William8, Robert7, Richard6, William5, John4, John3,
Richard2, John1) was born Abt. 1695 in Jamaica, Long Island, NY, and
died 01 Nov 1752 in Goshen, NY. He married ??? Patience WFT Est.
1714-1746. She was born WFT Est. 1694-1722, and died WFT Est. 1748-1809.
Children of Samuel Carpenter and ??? Patience are:
48 i. Martha14 Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1716-1744; died WFT Est. 1721-1826.
49 ii. Benjamin Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1716-1744; died WFT Est. 1722-1823.
50 iii. Samuel Carpenter, born Abt. 1734; died WFT Est. 1735-1824.
51 iv. William Carpenter, born Abt. 1735; died WFT Est. 1736-1825.
52 v. Abraham Carpenter, born Abt. 1738; died WFT Est. 1739-1828.
53 vi. John Carpenter, born Abt. 1740; died WFT Est. 1741-1830.
+ 54 vii. Joshua Carpenter, born 1740 in Jamaica, Long Island, NY; died
1794 in pine City, Semeca, NY.
55 viii. Richard Carpenter, born Abt. 1745; died WFT Est. 1746-1835.
56 ix. Abigail Carpenter, born Abt. 1745; died WFT Est. 1746-1839.
Generation No. 14
54. Joshua14 Carpenter (Samuel13, John12, William Carpenter11 Jr.,
William10 Carpenter, Robert9, William8, Robert7, Richard6, William5,
John4, John3, Richard2, John1) was born 1740 in Jamaica, Long Island,
NY, and died 1794 in pine City, Semeca, NY. He married (1) Sarah Burt
WFT Est. 1764-1787. She was born 15 Dec 1752, and died WFT Est.
1795-1847. He married (2) Hannah Ludham Abt. 1770 in Jamaica, Long
Island, NY. She was born Abt. 1740 in Jamaica, Long Island, NY, and
died WFT Est. 1775-1835.
Notes for Joshua Carpenter:
Form acccepted into the DAR states Joshua Carpenter served as a private
in Col. Hathorn's Regt., of Militia of Orange Col, NY under Captain
Minthorn.
Facts about this person:
Military service July 1777
Militia of Orance Co.,NY
More About Joshua Carpenter:
Fact 1: See Note Page
Children of Joshua Carpenter and Sarah Burt are:
57 i. Pattis15 Carpenter, born WFT Est. 1765-1791; died WFT Est. 1771-1875.
+ 58 ii. William L. Carpenter, born 29 Jan 1773; died 12 Sep 1849.
59 iii. Richard A. Carpenter, born Bef. 1775; died WFT Est. 1776-1865.
60 iv. Martha Carpenter, born 06 Feb 1775; died WFT Est. 1776-1869.
61 v. Daniel Carpenter, born Abt. 1776; died WFT Est. 1777-1866.
62 vi. Samuel Carpenter, born 28 Feb 1779; died WFT Est. 1780-1869.
63 vii. Abigail Carpenter, born May 1784; died WFT Est. 1785-1878.
64 viii. James B. Carpenter, born May 1784; died WFT Est. 1785-1874.
65 ix. John Hawthorn Carpenter, born 02 May 1791; died WFT Est. 1792-1881.
66 x. Thomas Carpenter, born 06 Aug 1793; died WFT Est. 1794-1883.
Generation No. 15
58. William L.15 Carpenter (Joshua14, Samuel13, John12, William
Carpenter11 Jr., William10 Carpenter, Robert9, William8, Robert7,
Richard6, William5, John4, John3, Richard2, John1) was born 29 Jan 1773,
and died 12 Sep 1849.
Notes for William L. Carpenter:
Facts about this person:
Burial
Hagaman cemetery, Lenawee County, Michigna
More About William L. Carpenter:
Fact 1: See Note Page
Child of William L. Carpenter is:
+ 67 i. William Carpenter16 Jr, born 1803 in NY; died WFT Est. 1837-1894.
Generation No. 16
67. William Carpenter16 Jr (William L.15 Carpenter, Joshua14,
Samuel13, John12, William Carpenter11 Jr., William10 Carpenter, Robert9,
William8, Robert7, Richard6, William5, John4, John3, Richard2, John1)
was born 1803 in NY, and died WFT Est. 1837-1894. He married Sarah
Jane Compton WFT Est. 1822-1852. She was born Abt. 1807 in NY, and
died WFT Est. 1837-1901.
Child of William Jr and Sarah Compton is:
+ 68 i. Winter17 Carpenter, born 06 May 1834 in Fairfield, Lenawee Co,
Mi; died 07 Jun 1911 in Manton, Wexford County, Michigan.
Generation No. 17
68. Winter17 Carpenter (William Carpenter16 Jr, William L.15
Carpenter, Joshua14, Samuel13, John12, William Carpenter11 Jr.,
William10 Carpenter, Robert9, William8, Robert7, Richard6, William5,
John4, John3, Richard2, John1) was born 06 May 1834 in Fairfield,
Lenawee Co, Mi, and died 07 Jun 1911 in Manton, Wexford County,
Michigan. He married Mary Chapman 17 Oct 1858 in Lenawee County, Mi.
She was born 02 Jan 1838 in Tioga or Chemung county NY, and died 1926.
Notes for Winter Carpenter:
Facts about this person:
Burial
Caldwell cemetery, Missaukee County, Michigan
More About Winter Carpenter:
Fact 1: See Note Page
Notes for Mary Chapman:
Facts about this person:
Burial
Caldwell cemetery, Missaukee County, Michigan
More About Mary Chapman:
Fact 1: See Note Page
Children of Winter Carpenter and Mary Chapman are:
69 i. George18 Carpenter, born Abt. 1859; died WFT Est. 1860-1949.
+ 70 ii. John R. Carpenter, born Oct 1860 in Michigan; died 23 Jun 1919
in Missaukee County, Mi.
71 iii. Stephen Carpenter, born Abt. 1867; died WFT Est. 1868-1957.
72 iv. Sely/Selah Carpenter, born 25 Jun 1870; died 12 May 1958 in
Cadillac Michigan.
Notes for Sely/Selah Carpenter:
Not married
Lived in Pioneer Twp Missaukee County a triplett with Samuel & Silas
73 v. Silas Carpenter, born 25 Jun 1870; died WFT Est. 1871-1960.
74 vi. Samuel Carpenter, born 25 Jun 1870 in Deerfield Twp, Michigan;
died Dec 1949 in Wauseon, Ohio.
Generation No. 18
70. John R.18 Carpenter (Winter17, William Carpenter16 Jr, William
L.15 Carpenter, Joshua14, Samuel13, John12, William Carpenter11 Jr.,
William10 Carpenter, Robert9, William8, Robert7, Richard6, William5,
John4, John3, Richard2, John1) was born Oct 1860 in Michigan, and died
23 Jun 1919 in Missaukee County, Mi. He married Melissa May Bunting
WFT Est. 1883-1908. She was born Jan 1871 in Ohio, and died WFT Est.
1903-1965.
Children of John Carpenter and Melissa Bunting are:
+ 75 i. Winter19 Carpenter, born 03 Jun 1889 in Manton, Wexford County,
Michigan; died Nov 1975 in Three Rivers, Mi.
76 ii. Andrew Carpenter, born Mar 1892; died WFT Est. 1893-1982.
77 iii. Goldie Carpenter, born Jul 1894; died WFT Est. 1895-1984.
78 iv. Matilda Carpenter, born Apr 1897; died WFT Est. 1898-1991.
79 v. Mary Carpenter, born May 1898; died WFT Est. 1899-1992.
80 vi. May Carpenter, born May 1898; died Jan 1972 in Roscommon, Michigan.
81 vii. John R. Carpenter, born 28 Apr 1900; died Jan 1972 in Grayling,
Crawford, Michigan.
Notes for John R. Carpenter:
His County of Residence was Roscommon, City of Residence Markey, Death
certf # 2463
Does this ring any bells with anyone?
Thank you,
Marcie Van Deren
--
Roy and Marcie Van Deren
http://www.glaciercamping.com/
Rocky Mountain "HI" RV Park
Kalispell, MT 59901
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