Hello Carpenter Cousins!
Recently I replied to an email request asking about how to join the Carpenter Cousins
Y-DNA Project. This person is a cousin to a member of Group 13. I thought the questions
and answers would be interesting to some of you.
Questions asked included:
How do I join the group?
Would it do any good for me to submit a sample also?
Another question I have: Are we closely related to any of the other groups? Possibly
"unconnected" at this time?
Lastly, is there a way to look up people without knowing which group they're in?
... See Group 13 lineage at:
https://carpentercousins.com/generallineage.htm#g13
If you could add documented genealogical information to it, I would appreciate it. Please
cite the ID number after the surname in reference to that which you are correcting or
adding to.
Adding your Y-DNA genetic profile to that of your cousin is always good to provide a
triangulation back to the most recent common ancestor. It also helps establish any
lineage mutations specific to that line, if any.
Joining the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project requires a Y-DNA test of 37 or more markers.
While many members use FTDNA, there are other DNA testing companies that do Y-DNA testing.
See DNA Test types and the link for Y-DNA testing companies at:
https://carpentercousins.com/DNATesting.pdf
At this time Y-SEQ provides a 37 marker Y-DNA test that is less expensive than other DNA
testing companies.
FTDNA.com costs more, but has much more bells and whistles. See the
comparison brief at:
https://carpentercousins.com/Y-DNA-Testing-Options.pdf
If you use FTDNA to join, then use the following link and click on the join button.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/carpenter-cousins-dna/about
HINT: A sale just ended at FTDNA. Odds are it will be October or November before the
next one. Unless they throw in some special sale.
...
Relatedness is relative. All living things on this earth are related genetically, as are
all humans. See the general brief of my real deep ancestry at:
https://carpentercousins.com/RealDeepAncestry.pdf
The Group 13 Haplogroup is R-M269 which is the shortcut SNP version of the longhand
R1b1a1a2. See details at:
https://carpentercousins.com/R-M269.pdf
Haplogroup R1b broke off of Haplogroup R1 about 21,000 years ago during the last Ice Age.
My Haplogroup base is R1a and broke off about the same time. Imagine Central Europe with
a huge ice sheet that went down into the northern portion of present day Italy. Many
humans who went south eastward mostly became R1a. Those that went south westwards toward
southern France and Spain were predominately R1b.
After the ice retreated, western Europe was repopulated primarily by Haplogroup R1b which
became dominant. The R1b male Haplogroups there still rule supreme, with some areas with
up to 80 to 90% of the population.
Because of R1b and its subtypes dominating western Europe, 37 Y-DNA markers is considered
the minimum test for those with the shortcut Haplogroup R-M269 or the longhand Haplogroup
of R1b1a1a2.
When you look at the organized groups at the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project there are 19
groups with R-M269. All are genetically different but related within the last 21,000
years!
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/carpenter%20cousins%20%20dna/default...
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* Unless you are a member of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project and signed into FTDNA,
not all members will show on the link just above. For details, less haplogroups, please
see Tables 1-4 at:
https://carpentercousins.com/carpdna.htm#table1
The closest Y-DNA genetic group to Group 13 is related likely between 2,000 and 2,500
years ago. This beyond the genealogical time period. In the galactic scheme of things, in
less than a blink of a human eye. In anthropologic terms, closely related. In genetic
genealogy terms, not related.
NOTE: In Table 1, clicking on the ID code takes you to the lineage of that person on our
lineage page. Clicking on the red box with the yellow greater than symbol will take you
to the next table for that person. No red box means no further Y-DNA marker results
available as of the last web page update.
Side Note: Anthropology deals with data points and generalities of relatedness.
Anthropologic studies may use names like Lucy, to try to get others emotionally hooked on
what is being presented. They may even tell amazing stories based on what data points
they have seen. And sometimes they can even re-create faces based upon current known data
points of living people.
But it is all data points with anthropomorphism. This is adding present day human traits,
emotions, or intentions to non-human or sub-human entities.
Genetic genealogy in comparison deals with real humans that have real names, spouses and
children. Genealogy is paper documented data linking real people together as families.
Genetic testing helps us triangulate our genealogy and is but one tool we use to document
our families.
Once we lose the genealogical thread then we get into undocumented or unattached
genealogy. Generally speaking once we run out of documents to search, then we go to that
shadow world before the genealogical time period. This is where anthropologic studies
start to come into play. Sadly, many people do not see the distinction and see it all only
as the general melting pot of humanity. But there is a big difference between our personal
family and the Family of Man.
As the Group Administrator, I have a list of all members who have Y-DNA tested for the
Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project and for those Carpenter at the new Carpenter-1-Name
Project that accepts all types of DNA tests.
In addition, I maintain the Carpenter Cousins main genealogical database. In the 6.pdf
attached, you notice that all names have an identification number attached to the surname.
Currently we have over 206,000 Carpenter/Zimmerman and related surnames.
We also have a secondary older database of some 50k names, but that is fragmented and
generally unreliable due to the lack of documentation.
... Let me know what you decide. I am happy to answer any questions.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA USA
Carpenter Cousins Project - Our main support page!
https://carpentercousins.com