Hello to the Carpenter cousins,
I am very new to this digest, but could use a little help with "my Carpenter"
My Maternal great grand mother was:
Harriet Carpenter
her Parents were
Jospeh Drake Carpenter born about 1821 in NY
and Harriett Hunter b 18 March 1830 in Plymouth PA
d. 7 May 1907 in Birnamwood Wisconsin
other children besides my gt grandmother were:
Edward Carpenter b 1848
Mary Ellen Carpenter b 1858
Lester R. Carpenter b 1860
*** Harriet Carpenter b 03 Apr 1866 Outagamie Co. Wisconisn
d 30 Nov 1925 Elk Mound Wisconsin
Robert P. Carpenter b 1871
Martha Carpenter
Does Joseph show up on anyone else's family tree? I do know that he was a Civil War
vet
On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 6:11 PM, "carpenter-request(a)rootsweb.com"
<carpenter-request(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
Today's Topics:
1. Re: CARPENTER Digest, Vol 8, Issue 140 (Jan Volkmann)
2. Re: CARPENTER Digest, Vol 8, Issue 140 (barbarademare(a)yahoo.com)
3. Re: Carpenters - Merry Christmas & a message from JRC
(Ron Carroll)
4. Re: CARPENTER Digest, Vol 8, Issue 138 (John R Carpenter)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:48:02 -0600
From: "Jan Volkmann" <fnj(a)srcaccess.net>
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] CARPENTER Digest, Vol 8, Issue 140
To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
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John! Please stay on. Miles said it very well and I agree. We all learn the
good bad and ugly about our ancestors and the history of the time. While we
don't agree necessarily among ourselves, they also did not agree. Still that
is no reason for us to dispatch with civility and beat up the messenger and
his thoughts and beliefs. Tolerance is no better accepted now than it was in
our ancestors times but we still have the choice to embrace it. Please
reconsider and keep this going. The importance of having a mechanism to
share information and discuss information differences is vital for a family
as large and diverse as the Carpenter Clan. Thanks for all you do and have
done in this endeavor. Your work is truly appreciated and will be missed if
you go. It takes someone with your knowledge, interest, and computer skills
to manage this list and there aren't many out there that can come close. If
you are out there: STEP UP TO THE PLATE and give John a break. If you are
not one of these: SHUT UP and CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY. Jan Carpenter Volkmann.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:55:22 -0800
From: barbarademare(a)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] CARPENTER Digest, Vol 8, Issue 140
To: "carpenter(a)rootsweb.com" <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
Cc: "<carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>" <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
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John you have done a wonderful job and have a huge knowledge base. It would be a great
loss to the Carpenter family if you we're not to continue barbara
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 31, 2013, at 9:48 AM, "Jan Volkmann" <fnj(a)srcaccess.net> wrote:
John! Please stay on. Miles said it very well and I agree. We all
learn the
good bad and ugly about our ancestors and the history of the time. While we
don't agree necessarily among ourselves, they also did not agree. Still that
is no reason for us to dispatch with civility and beat up the messenger and
his thoughts and beliefs. Tolerance is no better accepted now than it was in
our ancestors times but we still have the choice to embrace it. Please
reconsider and keep this going. The importance of having a mechanism to
share information and discuss information differences is vital for a family
as large and diverse as the Carpenter Clan. Thanks for all you do and have
done in this endeavor. Your work is truly appreciated and will be missed if
you go. It takes someone with your knowledge, interest, and computer skills
to manage this list and there aren't many out there that can come close. If
you are out there: STEP UP TO THE PLATE and give John a break. If you are
not one of these: SHUT UP and CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY. Jan Carpenter Volkmann.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:14:28 -0600
From: "Ron Carroll" <tchca35763(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Carpenters - Merry Christmas & a message from
JRC
To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <009e01cf067e$0e28baf0$2a7a30d0$(a)comcast.net>
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Dear Mrs. Sayko,
You truly need help, if your reading comprehension skills are so poor that
you thought I was commenting on the references to God or the U.S.
Constitution. If you did not find the political bias in the original email,
I would suggest that you consider a reading class at your local community
college. However, I suspect that the underlying problem is somewhat deeper.
I certainly don't feel the need to justify my patriotism to someone like
you. However, having lived in Alabama for 42 years, I have encountered many
people, who were as narrow-minded as you seem to be. Since you felt the need
to reference your Mayflower connection, I am a direct descendant of an
original member of the Jamestown settlement, who survived the winter of 1609
- maybe that makes him a cannibal. I'm also descended from 7 ancient
planters. So, my earliest ancestors were here prior to your Mayflower
ancestor. I also have 27 SAR/DAR patriots in my direct lines. Hopefully, you
don't think this makes either of us any more patriotic than someone whose
first American ancestors came through Ellis Island.
Maybe some of you will now understand Mr. Z's 'get it' message.
I will not see any response to this. I chose to block all emails from this
mail server list after the introduction of politics on Christmas Eve - in
the meantime I have enjoyed Christmas with my wife, children, and
grandchildren. Someone else suggested that I might want to show my
'appreciation' for your message of sympathy. lol
Signed,
A Patriotic Methodist in Alabama
(R. Carroll - not a Mayflower descendant)
-----Original Message-----
From: carpenter-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Andrew and Patricia Sayko
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 5:37 PM
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Carpenters - Merry Christmas & a message from JRC
I feel sorry for anybody who believes a Christmas message about God, our
God-given rights and the US Constitution is a political message. Our
ancestors fought hard to retain these god-given rights. Merry Christmas and
a Happy & Healthy New Year.
Pat Sayko (A descendent of William Carpenter and a Mayflower Descendent)
From: tchca35763(a)comcast.net
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:16:03 -0600
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Carpenters - Merry Christmas & a message from
JRC
Nothing like reading a political message at Christmas - would like to
get dropped from this.
-----Original Message-----
From: carpenter-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of John R Carpenter
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 3:05 PM
To: Rootsweb Carpenter
Subject: [CARPENTER] Carpenters - Merry Christmas & a message from JRC
Merry Christmas to all!
As I remember the reason for the season, I reflect on His goodness and
mercy.
I reflect this season about the last year, forgiving and setting away
the deeds of those who I need to do.
I remember the sorrow of those who I have lost, knowing I will see
them again after it is my time to pass on.
I am afraid for our Country and the path it is on. This has troubled
me greatly. I pray for those who believe that our God given rights
are nothing and that the elites can promise so much more but deliver
so much less. I pray for those who believe that a collective
salvation is more important than any personal Salvation from our Lord God.
I have over the last many decades read diaries, stories and wills of
many Carpenters. Almost all mention, give credit to or reflect the
promise of hope in a greater power. Many also credit the Constitution
of the United States of America for the opportunities they have had
and enjoyed. Many were willing to give up almost everything they had
for the promise here in America.
All of our ancestors were immigrants. Most left the corruption of the
kings, elites and state religions for a better life here in America.
They did not have to bow down to the state religion (including the
state religion of
atheism) or demi-gods or have laws that change based on the will of a
king.
America is not perfect. Our goal is a more perfect Union. We have had
our share of horrors and reconciliation. We have learned and shown
tolerance for many things. We can be what ever we want to be. Why?
Because it is We the People, not the individuals, but we as a team
that will triumph over adversity.
Most of us want to live their own lives and raise their families in peace.
We hope to have a better world for our children. We want to practice
our religion in peace and security. For the most part the farther away
and less intrusive government, the better.
Our ancestors fought and died for their country, their families and
their God. They wanted to be free from oppression of Nationalist
Socialists, Soviet Socialists and the power of the elite who think
their way is always better.
In any society where tolerance is abused by the minorities, where the
radical minority try to enslave the majority in some manner, there is
always a correction that involves violence and hatred.
I pray that we as Carpenters will do our part to protect and defend
the Constitution of the United States. That we might advise those in
the minority that the abuses of tolerance and attempts to destroy the
Constitutional rights of the People will fail. When they, the
minority, continue to deny our Constitutional rights and expression
there of, there will be a reckoning.
I hope and pray that the minority will stop their attempts to
radically transform the the United States into a European (at best) or
third world type country. We as a people need to say enough is enough.
We must be firm, polite and to educate them that the destruction of
what we hold dear will not happen. Because if it does, all rules go out
the
window.
And the consequences will be far more terrible than anyone can
imagine.
If you have come this far, bless you. May the peace and blessing of
our God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, be upon you and your family.
May the New Year provide new hope and blessings from our Creator. And
may we be willing to be tools in His service.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
John R. Carpenter
Carpenter Cousins Project
http://carpentercousins.com
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:10:42 -0800
From: "John R Carpenter" <jrcrin001(a)cox.net>
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] CARPENTER Digest, Vol 8, Issue 138
To: "Rootsweb Carpenter" <CARPENTER(a)rootsweb.com>
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John L.,
Thank you.
I will abide by the guidelines, user policy and Carpenter list guidelines as you sent
out.
I promise to help other people when I can and be civil and polite. I appreciate that if I
get to close to the line that you as List Administrator will let me know. And I will back
off.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
PS You are still better looking than me, even tough you long ago shaved your beard off.
From: Johnlsaywhat(a)aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:59 AM
To:
Subject: Re: CARPENTER Digest, Vol 8, Issue 138
Hello Carpenter List,
It is the end of the year and soon the new year will be upon us. I wish you all well!
The following should be reviewed by all Carpenter List members.
Posting guidelines
http://rootsweb.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3183/kw/posting%20gu...
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Community Guidelines
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/rootsweb/community_guidelines.html
Carpenter List Guidelines
1) This list is for Carpenter ? Zimmerman and related surname queries and assistance.
2) It is to help educate and teach about Carpenter ? Zimmerman and related name genealogy
and family history.
3) Basic Y-DNA education and teaching is part of learning about our ancestry and keep the
general focus on Carpenter ? Zimmerman and related surnames. When in doubt take it off
list or to the DNA List.
4) This list is not a list for direct political or religious purposes. There is a line,
back away from the line when told to. When in doubt, take it off list.
5) Above all, be civil and polite. If you don?t, you get talked to off list and suspended
if you can not behave.
6) Have a sense of humor and help others. And remember you have a delete key!
John L. Carpenter
Walpole, NH
Carpenter RootsList Manager
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