Hello List,
John L. Carpenter, of NH and I were able to review and conduct some joint research. John
L. spent time going to record depositories and between us, we were able to determine the
proper ancestry for the John Carpenter who married Lucina Thompson on 9 Jan 1813 in Dover,
Windham, Vermont, USA.
The John Carpenter who married Lucina Thompson and went to Ohio is John Carpenter-20563
and not John Carpenter-20358 of John Carpenter-15737 and Hannah Record-18659. This was
done by census work where John & Lucinda were found in the 1860 and 1850 US Census
records with John listed as being born in MA.
John L. Carpenter of NH supplied the key piece of information, even though at first it
appeared to have conflicting information (data typed in wrong from the 1860 US Census
image). Once checked and backtracked everything fell into place.
The following Draft text report provides the basics. All children are still not proved to
my satisfaction. Please contact me off list for more details.
Yes, we have no original birth, marriage or death records. Our goal was to document what
we found to determine the proper line. It is not 100% but the majority of people looking
at the material should be able to come to the same conclusion.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA USA
DRAFT
Family Report for John Carpenter-20563
Son of Barlow Carpenter-20561 (1747 RI - 1818 VT)
and Sarah Goss-24933 (1757 MA - 1796 MA)
1. John Carpenter-20563 was born on 27 Jan 1786 in Mendon,Worcester,
Massachusetts, USA. He died on 29 Jan 1861 in Olmstead, Cuyahoga, OH. He was buried in
Butternut Ridge Cemetery, North Olmstead, Cuyahoga,OH.
Number 3746 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 414.
Family on page 802 (# 1739). A farmer.
He had at least 6 sons and 1 daughter. He probably resided in Dover.
A lease of land and stock was made by Barlow Carpenter to his son John, in July 1817.
Barlow then lived in Dover, Windham county, VT, where he probably died. Film #: 442737,
Page #: , Ordinance #: 07902
FINALLY: 12 Aug 2014
The John Carpenter who married Lucina Thompson and went to Ohio is John Carpenter-20563
and not John Carpenter-20358 of John Carpenter-15737 and Hannah Record-18659. This was
done by census work where John & Lucinda were found in the 1860 and 1850 US Census
records with John listed as being born in MA. See his notes.
John L. Carpenter of NH supplied the key piece of information, even though at first it
appeared to have conflicting information (data typed in wrong from the 1860 US Census
image). Once backtracked everything fell into place. JRC
MARRIAGE:
Name: John Carpenter
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Jan 1813
Event Place: Dover, Vermont, United States
Gender: Male
Age:
Birth Date:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Name: Lucena Thompson
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
GS Film Number: 27501
Digital Folder Number: 004542977
Image Number: 00764
Citing this Record:
"Vermont, Vital Records, 1760-1954," index and images,
<i>FamilySearch</i> (<
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XFN1-W24> :
accessed 12 Aug 2014), John Carpenter and Lucena Thompson, 19 Jan 1813, Marriage; citing
State Capitol Building, Montpelier; FHL microfilm 27501.
SEE ALSO:
Name: John Carpenter
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Jan 1813
Event Place: Dover, Vermont, United States
Gender: Male
Age:
Birth Date:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Name: Lucena Thompson
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age:
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
GS Film Number: 27709
Digital Folder Number: 004705380
Image Number: 00107
Citing this Record:
"Vermont, Vital Records, 1760-1954," index and images,
<i>FamilySearch</i> (<
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V897-X6W> :
accessed 12 Aug 2014), John Carpenter and Lucena Thompson, 19 Jan 1813, Marriage; citing
State Capitol Building, Montpelier; FHL microfilm 27709.
CENSUS: 1840 US Census
Name: John Carpenter
Event Place: Olmstead, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Page Number: 168
Affiliate Publication Number: M704
Affiliate Film Number: 389
GS Film number: 0020163
Digital Folder Number: 004410724
Image Number: 00341
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1840," index and images, <i>FamilySearch</i>
(
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHYJ-1DC : accessed 12 Aug 2014), John Carpenter,
Olmstead, Cuyahoga, Ohio; citing "1840 United States Federal Census,"
<i>Ancestry.com</i>; p. 168, NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 389,
National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.; FHL microfilm 0020163.
CENSUS: 1850 US Census
Name: John Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1850
Event Place: Olmstead, Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 64
Race: White
Race (Original):
Birth Year (Estimated): 1786
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Household ID: 3712
House Number: 3517
Line Number: 40
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M432
Affiliate Film Number: 673
GS Film Number: 20221
Digital Folder Number: 004191062
Image Number: 00595
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
William Mc Kenzie M 36 Vermont
Lucritia Mc Kenzie F 29 Ohio
Nealttz Mc Kenzie F 11 Ohio
Mc Kenzie F 6 Ohio
John Carpenter M 64 Massachusetts
Lucinda Carpenter F 27 Vermont ---> Should be age 57 & it looks like 57 on
image!
Prescilla Thompson F 79 Massachusetts ---> Mother in law to John Carpenter.
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1850," index and images, <i>FamilySearch</i>
(
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MX3T-HPN : accessed 12 Aug 2014), John Carpenter in
household of William Mc Kenzie, Olmstead, Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States; citing family
3712, NARA microfilm publication M432.
NOTE: On the next census page - next family is Charles & Hennrietta Carpenter with
their Lucina A. AND also within that family is Richard and Mary J. Carpenter.
CENSUS: 1860 US Census - B. MA & VT but both males?
Name: John Carpenter
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1860
Event Place: Olmsted, Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 74
Race: White
Race (Original): [Blank]
Birth Year (Estimated): 1786
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Page: 178
Household ID: 1434
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: M653
GS Film Number: 803954
Digital Folder Number: 004282500
Image Number: 00183
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Carpenter M 74 Massachusetts
Lucien Carpenter M 70 Vermont -------------> should be F
Citing this Record:
"United States Census, 1860," index, <i>FamilySearch</i>
(
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCLB-DKK : accessed 12 Aug 2014), John Carpenter,
Olmsted, Cuyahoga, Ohio, United States; citing "1860 U.S. Federal Census -
Population," <i>Fold3.com</i>; p. 178, household ID 1434, NARA microfilm
publication M653; FHL microfilm 803954.
John married (MRIN:8671) Lucina or Lucena Thompson-51264 daughter of Jonathan
Thompson-54323 and Pricilla Sears-54324 (MRIN:20136) on 9 Jan 1813 in Dover, Windham,
Vermont, USA. Lucina was born on 23 Nov 1792 in Dover, Wardsboro, Windham, Vermont, USA.
She died on 1 Jul 1867 in Olmstead, Cuyahoga, OH.
John and Lucina had the following children:
< Notes snipped >
2 M i. William Sears Carpenter-36127 was born on 12 Oct 1813 in Dover,
Windham, Vermont, USA. He died on 24 Mar 1877 in Olmstead Falls,,OH.
3 F ii. Lydia Carpenter-36130 was born in Dec 1817 in ,Cuyahoga,OH. She died
on 15 Apr 1832 in Olmstead,Cuyahoga,OH.
4 F iii. Lydia Lorne Carpenter-20566 was born on 15 Mar 1819 in
Dover,Windham, Vermont, USA. She died about 1833.
5 M iv. Barlow Green Carpenter-36131 was born on 23 Jul 1816 in
Dover,Windham, Vermont, USA. He died on 8 Nov 1868 in Wellington, Lorain, Ohio, USA.
6 M v. John Carpenter-36132 was born on 5 Aug 1821 in Coe Ridge,Cuyahoga,OH.
He died on 17 Dec 1839 in ,Cuyahoga,OH. ***
7 M vi. Jonathan Thompson Carpenter-36133 was born on 1 Jan 1824 in Dover
Township, Windham, Vermont, USA. He died on 1 Jul 1904 in Coe Ridge,Cuyahoga,OH.
8 M vii. Richard Carpenter-36136 was born on 5 May 1826 in Dover Township,
Windham, Vermont, USA. He died in 1892 in Olmstead, Cuyahoga, OH.
9 M viii. Charles Carpenter-36138 was born on 20 Oct 1827 in Coe Ridge,
Cuyahoga,OH. He died on 1 Mar 1883 in Olmstead,Cuyahoga,OH.
10 M ix. George W. Carpenter-36140 was born in 1830 in Coe Ridge, Cuyahoga,
Ohio, USA. He died on 28 Sep 1896 in Olmstead Falls, Cuyahoga, Ohio, USA .
11 M x. Carpenter-36142 was born on 29 Jul 1833 in Coe Ridge,Cuyahoga,OH. He
died on 1 Aug 1833 in Coe Ridge,Cuyahoga,OH.
*** More likely born 3 Sep 1819 in Dover, Windham, Vermont, USA per VT VRs.