Thanks Gene for the website links and for checking for me. I'll correct my
date records for Joseph Carpenter of Providence and Warwick, R.I., and
Oyster Bay, Long Island, N.Y.
Vicki Carpenter Held
-------Original Message-------
From: GeneZub(a)aol.com
Date: 08/10/08 03:56:02
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Carpenter Researchers I need your help!
Vicki,
The Hazard Index to New York Yearly Meeting, completed in 2005, contains
listings of all monthly-meeting minutes and vital records held by Friends
Historical Library of Swarthmore College up to that time (online at
<
_http://www.swarthmore.edu/Library/friends/hazard/index.html_
(
http://www.swarthmore.edu/Library/friends/hazard/index.html) >). The index
includes a record, dated 12
10th month [October] 1780, in which a James Carpenter is disowned by
Purchase
Monthly Meeting--not for military service, but for marrying out of society
(Hazard Index [James Carpenter search], citing Purchase MM, Men's Minutes,
1772-1785, p. 147, also 137, 148). Another Purchase MM record, dated 14 4th
month
[April] 1796, indicates that James and Freelove Carpenter's sons, James,
about 13, Enoch, about 10, and Benjamin, about 7, were received (i.e.,
admitted)
at their parents' request (Hazard Index [James Carpenter search], citing
Purchase MM, Men's Minutes, 1793-1806, p. 111, also 107). If I were you, I'd
check the original records--on FHL microfilms 17289 and 17290--for the
possibility that the aforementioned records contain more-complete
information than
that appearing in the Hazard Index. At this point, it remains to be
demonstrated that the James Carpenter disowned in 1780 was the man of that
name
mentioned in 1796--or in Revolutionary War records. It's not enough that
Daniel
Hoogland Carpenter (1901) might say so.
Transcribed from the sometimes indecipherable notes of John Cox Jr., the
ancestry.com databases of Purchase MM records pertain only to births, deaths
marriages, and intentions.
In presenting your James Carpenter lineage, you give his great-grandfather
Joseph's birth date as about 1635 and that of James's grandfather William as
1666. Joseph2 Carpenter of Providence and Warwick, R.I., and Oyster Bay,
Long
Island, N.Y. (m. Hannah3 Carpenter of Rehoboth), testified in 1664 that he
was then aged 26; he was thus born about 1638, almost certainly at
Providence
(not England). Joseph's son William3 was born _by_ 1666 but not necessarily
_in_ that year. For the most up-to-date and reliable scholarship on Joseph2
and his family, see his sketch, prepared a few months ago and accessible
online by hyperlink at <
_http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/carplink.htm_
(
http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/carplink.htm) >. A sketch of William1 of
Providence
and his family will soon be available by way of the same site.
Gene Z.
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From: "Vicki Held" <vheld(a)utma.com>
Subject: [CARPENTER] Carpenter Researchers I need your help!
To: <CARPENTER(a)rootsweb.com>
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Carpenter Researchers I need your help!
I have applied for the recognition of my 4th great-grandfather James
Carpenter by the DAR for his service in the Revolutionary War, and they are
asking for one more piece of information that I am unsure of how to obtain
and wondered if my fellow Carpenters could help me. Because he was a Quaker
they want to see if he had been disowned for his service before proceeding
with the application. (See below for the DAR request and general family
information). I was able to send lineage information that documents my
families connection that the DAR finds acceptable. If anyone has studied
these records from the Purchase Monthly Meetings and can tell me how to find
records that would indicated James Carpenter, son of Benedict was
reprimanded for participating in the war or where I could find more
information I would be appreciative. It appears that James had a brother
Elijah who also served in the Rev. War, and a brother Asa who served in the
?French Canadian War?. So while the family was of the Friends they also
seemed to serve in defense of this country.
DAR request: ? Upon review, we find your lineage well documented, but have
concerns about the service you wish to assign to James Carpenter. Daniel
Hoogland Carpenter?s History and genealogy of the Carpenter Family in
America (1901) pp. 76-7 and 115-116, makes it clear that not only James
belonged to the Purchase Monthly Meeting of Quakers late in life, but also
was born into the a family that was also associated with that meeting. The
Quakers were a well known pacifist sect and were known to disown men who
enlisted in the armed services. In consequence of these facts, we need more
definite evidence that James Carpenter who served in the 4th Regiment of
militia in Westchester County was the same individual who was born into the
Purchase Monthly Meeting in 1754. If he insured any penalties from the
meeting, they are likely to be recorded in the meeting minutes.?
Note: Items that I did send them to prove he was in the services and was
from Westchester County all his life were: 1790 Census from Harrison,
Westchester County, 1800 census, 1810 census, roster of state troops for the
4th regiment of Westchester County from New York in the Revolution, pages
from Daniel Hoogland Carpenter?s book detailing lineage, two items of
military service showing that James Carpenter of the 4th Regiment was sick
at camp on the muster roll from June 28 to October 9th 1775. The DAR is not
arguing with the materials I sent ? only that since he was a Quaker did I
have any documentation that he was reprimanded for his service. Can anyone
help me with this?
Thanks,
Vicki Carpenter Held
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