Thanks for your message. I have some other projects and activities going on
for the next little bit. I will try to get back to you later. Just seems
as though when we people who are addicited to genealogy and family history
research are occupited with other projects, that is when we get the most
contacts from other people.
Vivian Cates, alto, Texas
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Vivian,
My paternal uncle, Melvin T. Carpenter and I have also done the Family
Finder test and I am part of the Y-DNA Group 16 of South Carolina Carpenters
that John mentioned. You do not show up as a match in either of our long
lists of Family Finder matches. I believe that you and I have corresponded
before on
, but have failed to find a genetic or genealogical
link between my Group 16 John, Thomas or Reuben Carpenter and their close
neighbors in Group 24 that includes your Adam Carpenter.
I hope you keep searching and have better luck with Group 24 tests,
Craig Carpenter
Houston and Lovelady, Texas
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Today's Topics:
1. Fw: HAS ANYONE DONE THE FAMILY FINDER TEST
ATFAMILYTREEDNA.COM IN HOUSTON? (John R Carpenter)
2. Re: Genealogy (John R Carpenter)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:20:52 -0700
From: "John R Carpenter" <jrcrin001(a)cox.net>
Subject: [CARPENTER] Fw: HAS ANYONE DONE THE FAMILY FINDER TEST
ATFAMILYTREEDNA.COM IN HOUSTON?
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Vivian,
While the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project does not track the Family Finder
(atDNA) test or MtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) , I am aware of many who have
tested with that autosomal DNA (atDNA) test. This includes myself. I come
from the Rehoboth, MA Carpenters represented by Group 3 of the Y-DNA
Project.
There were several Carpenter lines who went through Edgefield County, SC.
In the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project Group 16 and Group 24 have ancestry
there. Group 24 in particular came from Cumberland, now Moore, County, NC.
I do not think any of Group 24 have taken an autosomal DNA test like
Family
Finder. See links below.
This type of atDNA test shows ethnic breakdowns and for Family Finder it
shows DNA segments that you get from both sides of the family. Depending
on
the size of a matching segment, the FTDNA computer calculates the likely
relationship to anyone at FTDNA who has taken that same test.
The Family Finder test and other autosomal tests that are similar, are
designed for two reasons. The first being the ethnic breakdown given. So
much European, African, et cetera. The second, unique for FTDNA, is to
find
matching chromosome segments that are measured in centimorgans (cM). FTDNA
supplies a chromosome chart where the matching segments are located on.
Other companies do not do this. See the comparison chart at:
http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_testing_comparison_chart
The primary problem with such tests, is the genealogy. Both people being
tested need to have a genealogy back to a common ancestor. Then and only
then can you confirm the relationship which you already would have known
with the genealogy. This is why it is not a great genealogy tool. Many
people get very frustrated when they can not confirm any matches. Many
just
give up and that is very sad.
The best way to find a match is to recruit one. Find another biological
relative within 4 generations of the common ancestor and have them take
the
Family Finder test. Then compare the results. It should confirm the
genealogy.
Another DNA test or option is to find a living male biological Carpenter
cousin. Test them with a Y-DNA test and they should likely match Group 24
or
Group 16.
I have emailed this message via Bcc to the two Group 24 members. Maybe
they
will email or call you.
I have attached my Family Finder (atDNA) chromosomal closest matches. I
have
blurred the match names and image for privacy. The 5 closest matches are
3rd
or 4th cousins. None have a genealogical match with me.
I hope this helps.
John R. Carpenter
Carpenter Cousins Project
http://carpentercousins.com
Group 16 links.
http://carpentercousins.com/carpdna.htm#group16
http://carpentercousins.com/generallineage.htm#scar
Group 24 links.
http://carpentercousins.com/carpdna.htm#group24
http://carpentercousins.com/generallineage.htm#g24
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From: vtoole via
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:35 PM
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARPENTER] HAS ANYONE DONE THE FAMILY FINDER TEST
ATFAMILYTREEDNA.COM IN HOUSTON?
Carpenter list members,
Has anyone on this Carpenter list done the Family Finder
test with
FAMILYTREEDNA.COM in Houston, Texas? Am I on your list of
matches?
My paternal grandmother was a Carpenter from Edgefield District/County,
South Carolina. The family moved to Augusta, Richmond County, Georgia,
after 1900. None of her brothers had sons to carry on the Carpenter
surname.
The line moved from Cumberland-Moore County, North Carolina, in the form
of
Adam Carpenter and his wife, Milly (Matilda) (some claim Mildred) maybe
Sheffield about 1804. I have posted about this family connection on this
list in the past. I have also done a mtDNA test. However, this is on my
father's side and not in my maternal line. I have 130 pages of 10 people
each that are matches from 2nd cousins back to 5th and remote. Of the
limited number of people I have contacted, most do not respond. Of the
ones
who have responded, they have no idea how we are related. Many do not
have
any surnames posted either. I am on dialup, live in a rural area. Takes
forever to get the page up and about half the time it is busy. Carpenters
were there by c. 1765 or before.
Any Carpenter matches out there.
Vivian Cates, Alto, Texas 75925-5706 1-936-858-3801
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:50:32 -0700
From: "John R Carpenter" <jrcrin001(a)cox.net>
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Genealogy
To: <elsiemay.w(a)juno.com>, <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
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Elsie,
Your paternal line is represented by Group 5 of the Carpenter Cousins
Y-DNA
Project. The goes back into the mid 1500s to Steffisburg, Bern,
Switzerland.
See:
http://carpentercousins.com/generallineage.htm#capl
Your maternal line is still a bit of a mystery. Nothing seems to match up
very well.
Hopefully someone on this list or elsewhere will provide a clue that will
help solve this mystery.
Best of luck!
John R. Carpenter
Carpenter Cousins Project
http://carpentercousins.com
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Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 8:06 PM
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARPENTER] Genealogy
I have two Carpenter lines. My Dad's side of the house: Hans Zimmerman,
Johannes Zimmerman (John Carpenter), Margaret Carpenter m. Jonas
Mosteller,, Nicodemus Mosteller, Margaret Cornelia Mosteller, Columbus V.
McCain, Elsie McCain (me). On my mother's side: Nathaniel Carpenter b.
1814, Catherine Carpenter, Eva Laney, Martha Jane Robinson, Elsie McCain
(me).I am in the family finders mt dna program. Some of my matches have
been
with Carpenter names that I could identify with. I have found many of my
matches in the Carpenter's A Plenty book, either under the Carpenter name
or
listed under a different name. The book has been very beneficial to me in
my genealogical research. I still have not discovered who the father of
my
Nathaniel Carpenter b. 1814 Ohio is. Nathaniel went from Ohio to Indiana,
then Iowa. He married Rosetta Graves in Indiana. I have their marriage
record..They both died in Iowa.Nathaniel died before the 1880 census so I
don't know where his father !
was born.I do enjoy reading the stories of my ancestors, and it is
interesting to read about the hardships they went through after coming to
our country. To me, family history is not only who are ancestors were, but
also about their lives. Elsie McCain White
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