Hello John:
I am highly skeptical that the Jonathan Carpenter mentioned in
Isaac's "letters" was a son of Isaac. Maybe, but just as maybe not. I
have never seen any reference connecting any Jonathan to Isaac, EXCEPT for
the obscure "letters" reference in ABC's Carpenter Memorial. And we have
so many examples of ABC's errors and faulty assumptions that mere mention
of a name in a letter (which we don't have available)....and with no other
reference to any Jonathan in Isaac's family....is far from indicative of
any specific connection, including paternity.
This problem caught my attention because of my own Jonathan (son
of Carman), born around 1790, who could just as easily be the Jonathan
referenced in a Isaac's letters. Indeed, my Jonathan could MORE easily be
the Jonathan of Isaac's letters, due to the simple fact that at least we
know this Jonathan (of Carman) existed. If there is any evidence of a
Jonathan son of Isaac (or indeed, evidence of ANY other Jonathan born in
Orange Count around 1790), I'd be pleased to know of it. In my view, any
presumption about the Jonathan said to be mentioned among Isaac's letters
must look first among whatever Jonathans are otherwise known to have existed.
(By the way, "letters found among" Isaac's papers are more likely
to be letters TO Isaac, not letters FROM Isaac. Without knowing anything
about the content or context of the letters, it's really a wild leap to
ascribe any specific relationship at all.)
Robin C.
At 10:15 AM 7/28/2009 -0700, John R. Carpenter wrote:
Family of Isaac Carpenter-13033
1. Isaac Carpenter-13033 was born on 31 Mar 1747 in
Goshen,Orange,NY. He died after 1810 in Minisink,Orange,NY. He was buried
in Pine Hill Cem.,Orange,NY.
Number 298 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 83
Family on page 151 (#128)
He was a soldier in the Revolution: was in Capt. Casey's company, 3rd Regiment
in the New York Militia. SEE: DAR PATRIOT INDEX. Also SEE: Roberts. He was
assessed in Chester, in 1775. His son Daniel was the executor of his will. At
his decease he was the owner of 3500 acres of land in Orange county and in New
Jersey: a part of which is still in the family. In letters found among his
papers is mentioned a Jonathan Carpenter: They also mention the fact of going
west and visiting a brother Moses in Onondaga county.
Only children of his second marriage is listed in the Carpenter Memorial.
His son Daniel is not listed in that record except as a note.
His son (likely) Jonathan is not listed except as listed above.
Isaac married (1-MRIN:5719) Susanna Horton-13079 on 6 Sep 1781 in ,,NY.
Susanna was born about 1747 in ,,NY. She died on 30 Aug 1803 in
Minisink,Orange,NY. She was buried in Pine Hill Cem.,Orange,NY.
NAME: Some records list her as Susanna Little. However her maiden name
was HORTON.
Isaac and Susanna had the following children:
2 M i. Daniel Carpenter-20917 was born about 1785
in Minisink,Orange,NY.
This Daniel is not in the CM except as a note under his father (298).
"His son Daniel was the executor of his will."
See Number 298 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 83.
3 M ii. Jonathan Carpenter-20918 was born about
1790 in Minisink,Orange,NY.
This Jonathan is not in the CM except as a note under his father (298).
"in letters found among his (father's) papers is mentioned a Jonathan . .
."
See Number 298 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 83
Isaac married (2-MRIN:5720) Susanna McKinney-13080 daughter of Edward
McKinney-13081 and Mary Dekay-13082 (MRIN:5751) on 13 Nov 1804 in
Minisink,,NY. Susanna was born on 1 Jan 1777 in Near
Omagh,Northern,Ireland. She died on 30 Dec 1860 in Wawaganda,,NY.
Susanna was the youngest of 4 daughters born to Edward and Mary DeKay
McKinney. They were living near Omagh in the northern part of Ireland.
They were of Scotch descent and they were Presbyterians.
At age 15, she came in company of 14 families to the city of NY in May
1792. She came over the the ship called "Ann and Susan".
After marriage to Isaac they lived on their home farm in the town of
Wawaganda,
two and one half miles from Middletown, NY, where two of their grandchildren
now reside. Susanna was a woman of strong and noble character greatly beloved
by all who knew her.
Isaac and Susanna had the following children:
4 F iii. Susan Carpenter-20919 was born on 25 Oct
1806 in Minisink,Orange,NY. She died on 2 May 1884.
Number 875 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 151.
Susan married (MRIN:8931) James van Duzen-20921 on 17 Oct 1827 in
,Orange,NY. James was born about 1806 in ,,NY.
5 F iv. Ruth Ann Carpenter-20920 was born on 6 Sep
1810 in Minisink,Orange,NY. She died on 21 May 1893.
Number 876 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 151.
Ruth married (MRIN:8932) Daniel Reeves-20932 on 4 Apr 1839 in ,Orange,NY.
Daniel was born about 1810 in ,Orange,NY. He died on 29 Oct 1878 in ,
Orange,NY.
Daniel Reeves and all his family were members of the Presbyterian Church.
They lived on the homestead of their grandfather which has been over 100 years
in the family.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Carpenter"
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Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:49 PM
Subject: [CARPENTER] 1811 Will of Isaac Carpenter of Minisink, Orange Co., NY
1811 Will of Isaac Carpenter of Minisink, Orange Co., NY
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The People of the State of New York by the Grace of God Free and
Independent To all to whom these persents shall come or may concern send
greeting. Know ye that at Goshen in the County of Orange on the Twenty
eighth day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred
and eighteen before Edward Ely Esq. Surrogate of our said County the
last will and Testament of Isaac Carpenter deceased (a copy whereof is
hereunto annexed) was proved and is now approved and allowed of by us
and the said deceased having whilst he lived and at the time of his
death goods chattels or credits within this State by means whereof the
proving and registering the said will, and the granting administration,
of all and singular the said goods chattels and credits, and also the
auditing allowing, and final discharging the account thereof doth belong
unto us. The administration of all and singular the goods chattels and
credits of the said deceased and any way concerning his will is granted
unto Susannah Carpenter the Executrix, and Daniel Carpenter the Executor
in the said Will named they being first duly sworn well and faithfully
to administer the same and to make and exhibit a true and perfect
Inventory of all and singular the said goods chattels and credits and
also to render a just and true account thereof when thereunto required.
In Testimony whereof we have caused the seal of office of our said
Surrogate to be hereinto affixed. Witness Edward Ely Esqr Surrogate of
the said County at Goshen the Twenty eighth day of April in the year of
our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eighteen and of our Independence
the forty second - - -
In the name of God Amen. I Isaac Carpenter of the Town of Minisink in
the County of Orange and State of New York being in health and of sound
mind and memory blessed be the Lord, Do this eighteenth day of September
in the year of our Lord Christ one Thousand eight hundred and eleven,
make and publish this my last will and Testament in manner following.
Imprimis I order all my just debts and funeral expenses to be paid out
of my personal property, Also I order and impower my executors herein
after named to sell my farm in warwick Mountain in New Jersey if not
sold ay my decease and to execute a deed to the
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pirchasor or pirchasors also I give unto my beloved wife Susannah one
horse saddle and bridle, one bed bedding and beuro, also I give and
bequeath all my real estate unto my daughters Susan and Ruthan for and
during their natural life time to be equally divided, and at and after
there deceas to the heirs of their bodys also all my personal estate as
heretofore given to my two daughters, and that they be allowed to take
possession on their marrying or as they severally arrive to full age,
and I wish my wife Sussannah to advise with my Executors, and to live on
and use the farm and take good care of it and the Children, and bring
them up well for and in consideration of the use of said farm and when
the children take possession they must maintain and take good care of
their mother and if not it is my will that she shall have the use of one
third of my Real Estate or farm on which I now live and the best room in
my house and as much of the sellor as she may need, also I give to my
wife meat and grain sufficient for the famely, for one year, also I wish
my wife Susanna to keep the household furniture for the use of the
famely untill the children marry or come of age and as mush stock and
farming utentials as shall be that necessary to carry n the farm, also
if there is any more money than will pay my just debts, I wish my
Executors to put it at Interest on land security at their discretion,
And Lastly I do hereby make ordain constitute and appoint my beloved
wife Susanna exectrise and Daniel Carpenter of Goshen my Executor, of
this my last will and Testament. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set
my hand and seal the day and year above written. Signed sealed published
and declared, by the testator as his last will and Testament, in the
presance of us who signed our names, Hereunto as witnesses, in the
Testators presance, and of each other
Asa Steward
Lewis B. Steward
Abraham Neely
..................Isaac Carpenter LS
..... Codicil
In explanation of my above will I hereby declare it as my Intention that
in case of the death of either of my said daughters without heirs of
their body the said Estate by my said will devised shall go to the
survivor and the heirs of her body. In Witness whereof I the said Isaac
Carpenter have to this Codicil set my hand and seal this ninth day of
January one thousand eight hundred & eighteen. Signed sealed & published
by the said Isaac Carpenter as for a Codicil, to his last will &
Testament In he presence of us who have subscribed our names in his
presence.
Nathaniel Cooley
James Rooney
Ezuba hir X mark Bennet
.............. Isaac Carpenter LS
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Orange County ss Be it remembered that on the sixteenth day of April
Instant personally appeared before me Edward Ely Surrogate of the County
of Orange James Rooney and beig duly sworn he did declare and say that
he did see Isaac Carpenter deceased sign and seal the paper writing then
shewn un to him purporting to be a Codicil annexed to the last will and
Testament of the said deceased of which the last preceeding is a copy
and heard him publish and declare the same as and for a Codicil to be
annexed to his last will and Testament and to be taken as a part
thereof, that the same is as then annexed to the paper writing
purporting to be the last will and Testament of the said deceased, in
the same manner as it now appears of which the first preceeding is a
copy and that the said deceased then declared the same to be his last
will and Testament, and that at the time thereof he the said deceased
was of sound and disposing mind and memory to the best of his knowledge
and belief and that he together with Nathaniel Cooley and Ezubia Bennet
subscribed their names thereto as witnesses in the presence of the
Testator and in the presence of each other, And on the Twenty eighth day
of April in the year of our Lord one thousand eight Hundred and eighteen
personally appeared before me the said Surrogate Nathaniel Cooley and
Apollos Jessup, and being duly sworn the said Nathaniel Cooley did
declare and say that he did see Isaac Carpenter deceased sign and seal
the paper writing then shewn unto him purporting to be a Codicil to the
last will and Testament of the said deceased,of which the last
preceeding is a True copy and heard him publish and declare the same as
and for a Codicil to is last will and testament and to be taken as a
part thereof, that the said Codicil was then annexed to the paper
writing purporting to be the last will and Testament of the said
deceased, of which the first preceeding is a copy, and the said deceased
then published and declared the same to be his last will and Testament
that at the time thereof he the said deceased was of sound and disposing
mind and memory to the best of his knowledge and belief and that he
Together with James Rooney and Ezubia Bennet subscribed their names to
the said Codicil as witnesses in the presence of the Testator and in the
presence of each other, And the said Nathaniel Cooley did further say
that the said Abraham Neely was not in this Country to the best of his
knowledge and belief and that it was reported and believed that he had
?????? to some part of the western Country but the place of his
Residence was uknown, and the said Apollas Jessup upon his oath
aforesaid did declare and say, that the said Asa Steward and Lewis
Steward, two of the subscribing witnesses to the last will and Testament
of the said deceased subscribed to the first preceeding writing are both
dead, that he is well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Asa
Steward deceased, and had frequently seen him write, and from his
knowledge of his hand writing, he believes the signiture to the said
first mentioned writing to be the hand writing of the said Asa Steward
deceased
The Preceeding is a True Copy of the last will and Testament of Isaac
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Carpenter deceased of the Certificate of the proof thereof of the
Codicil thereunto annexed, and the Letters Tetamentary thereon
By Edward Ely Surrogate
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Transcribed by Dennis F. Carpenter, July 2009
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