Gene,
Moses did not die, but moved to Onondaga Co., NY. His will has been
published and grave located. He married first Elizabeth Runyon of Morris Co. NJ
and had a daughter, Elizabeth Runyon Carpenter who married James Wisner of
Orange Co. Married second a Smith from Orange Co.
Elizabeth Runyon Carpenter and James Wisner had several children, including
my ancestor, Elizabeth who married Joel Melvin, their son, Milan Morrel
Melvin was my ancestor.
Phoebe in CA
In a message dated 8/12/2009 6:05:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
cassm(a)voicenet.com writes:
To Gene Z.
Thank you for a good summary of the problem. I hope that interested
researcher comes along soon.
Margaret
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Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] 1811 Will of Isaac Carpenter - Family
On Aug 12, 2009, Margaret wrote:
<< My question about the birth place for Isaac Carpenter has not been
addressed so I am asking again if anyone knows where he was born. I
have been told that he was born in Jamaica, Queens, NY, not Goshen.
Is there any evidence? >>
Amos B. Carpenter lists Isaac as the son of John5 Carpenter of Jamaica
and Goshen (John4-3, William2 of Rehoboth) and claims that all the
latter man's children, including Isaac, were born at Jamaica
(Carpenter, _A Genealogical History of the Rehoboth Branch of the
Carpenter Family in America_ [Amherst, Mass., 1898], 82-83). But
Herbert F. Seversmith, one of the finest genealogists of his time,
says the following: "From the will of his father it is known that
[John5] was of Goshen, Orange County, New York, 10 June 1732. . . .
[T]his John Carpenter was continuously at Goshen [from
1721]" (Seversmith, _Colonial Families of Long Island, New York and
Connecticut . . ._ , 5 vols. [Washington, D.C., 1939-1958],
2:536-37). If John5 was in fact Isaac's father (see below), he thus
would probably have been born at Goshen.
But Seversmith raises other relevant issues: "[A]s there were three
John Carpenters of age at this time, and as one of them cannot be
shown to have left Jamaica [in 1723, when a John Carpenter of Jamaica
exchanged land with Benjamin Coe], it is _not_ safe to state that the
present John Carpenter married Ruth Coe. . . . [T]he names of
[John5's] children remain _unproved_. It must be pointed out,
however, that chronology will permit the following to have been
children of this John Carpenter: i. _Daniel_, said to have been born
about 1720 . . . ii. _Increase_, of Minisink, New York, . . . Perhaps
other children. It is difficult to believe, however, that this John
Carpenter, born about 1683, was the father of Ruth who married Ephraim
Marston 15 January, 1781; or of Isaac, born at Jamaica (!) 31 March
1747; John, born at the same place, 23 February 1745; Benjamin, born
about 1750; Moses, who died at the battle of Oriskany, and Susanna,
who died 17 March 1790, as the wife of a Howell. It remains for some
interested researcher to establish the correct listing of the
descendants of this John Carpenter" (Seversmith, 2:537-38).
I don't think Seversmith necessarily accepts Amos Carpenter's
assertion that Isaac was born at Jamaica. He's simply arguing that
both the date and place of birth that the latter compiler claims for
him fail to comport with the age (about 64) and place of residence
(Goshen) of John5 Carpenter in 1747. With Isaac's parentage in
serious doubt, it doesn't appear possible to establish his birthplace
with certainty at this time.
Gene Z.
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