John:
Like I said, Sanction Him. Hit that delete key.
Jack
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:51:15 -0500 "carpenter" <carp(a)tezukayama-u.ac.jp>
writes:
His strategy is to put on a pleasant face. Beware. J. Hatten
Carpenter's
data IS his 'Book'. John R. Carpenter will never dare alter it in
any way.
He is using us.
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: John Carpenter <jrcrin001(a)home.com>
To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:54 PM
Subject: [CARPENTER] Joseph Hatten Carpenter 1861-1964
> Dear Folks,
>
> Here is a repeat of the Joseph Hatten Carpenter data and a brief
of his
> history.
>
> Joseph H. Carpenter's father was a Congregational minister in
England.
> Many Congregationst Ministers in England were anti-Mormon. Joseph
H.
> Carpenter reports he met for the first time Mormon Missionaries on
a
> ship in the Pacific enroute to San Francisco in 1887.
>
> Joseph H. Carpenter published no Book of Carpenter and outside of
Utah
> he was hardly known except to dedicated researchers. See the
notes
> below. For those interested a quick search of books and materials
at a
> Family History Center will reveal what is available from Joseph H.
> Carpenter.
>
> John R. Carpenter
> La Mesa, CA
>
> INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:49485
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Name:Joseph Hatten CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:26V3-LN
> Birth: 4 Apr 1861 Place:Devonport,Devonshire,England
> Chr: Place:
> Marr:12 Jun 1889 Spouse:Matilda Sophia ALDER-49487
> Marr:30 Sep 1920 Spouse:Lydia Euphrosine
SCHRAMM-49486
> Marr: Spouse:
> Death:10 Dec 1964 Place:Manti,Sanpete,UT
> Burial:14 Dec 1964 Place:Manti,Sanpete,UT
> Father:Robert Wright CARPENTER R-49477 Mother:Elizabeth Link
> HATTEN-49480
> Notes ----------------------------------------------------
> !BOOK: Jenson, Andrew. Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia:
A
> Compilation of Biographical Sketches of Prominent Men and Women in
the
> Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 4 vols. A. Jenson
History
> Company and Deseret News, 1901-36. Vol. 2. Carpenter, Joseph
Hatten
> Page 561:
> Carpenter, Joseph Hatten, second counselor to Bishop Niels R.
Petersen,
> of the Manti North Ward, Sanpete county, Utah, was born April 4,
1861,
> in Devonport, co. of Devon, England, the son of Rev. Robert Wright
> Carpenter and Elizabeth Link Hatten. He is a descendant of the old
Dukes
> of Normandy, his maternal ancestry being cousins to William the
> Conqueror. Brother Carpenter's father was a Congregational
minister,
> therefore Joseph was educated in the Congregational school at
Lewisham,
> Kent, which was a special school for the education of the sons of
> ministers. After leaving this school, Joseph went to Greenwich,
where
> [p.562] he lived for three years; he then moved to London and was
an
> employee in the mercantile firm of Messrs. I. & R. Morley, of Wood
St.
> E. C., for seven years. In March, 1886, he left England for West
> Australia in a sailing ship, round the Cape of Good Hope, and
after
> visiting most of the Australian colonies he started for San
Francisco.
> While on board the ship "Zealandia" he met two Mormon Elders,
Wilson
> Ross Pratt and Wm. C. Mellor. After hearing the gospel as taught
by
> them, he believed it and went direct to Salt Lake City, where he
was
> baptized March 1, 1887, by James Leatham and settled in the 19th
Ward.
> In August, 1887, he went to Elsinore, Sevier county, and became
clerk of
> the Ward. Nov. 6, 1887, he was ordained a Priest by Bishop Joshua
W.
> Sylvester and in February, 1888, he was ordained an Elder by
August
> Kotter. In March, of that year, he moved back to Salt Lake City,
where
> he worked with Geo. M. Cannon in the county recorder's office
until the
> fall of 1890. He was also clerk of the 22nd Ward under Bishop
Alfred
> Solomon. June, 12, 1889, he married Matilda Sophia Alder, of
Manti, the
> daughter of John Alder, of Canton Appenzell, Switzerland, and
Matilda
> Sophia Schramm of Wurtemberg, Germany. This union has been blessed
with
> seven children, four boys and three girls. Joseph Gerald, the
oldest
> son, is now (1914) filling a mission in Germany. In August, 1890,
> Brother Carpenter left Utah on a mission to Samoa, where he
labored as
> conference president on the island of Sawaii, and returned to Utah
in
> September, 1893. In Manti (which has been his home ever since) he
became
> an active Y. M. M. I. A. worker, being secretary and president of
the
> Manti North Ward Y. M. M. I. A., also Stake corresponding
secretary and
> treasurer and second counselor in the Stake superintendency of the
South
> Sanpete Stake Y. M. M. I. A. In 1894-95 Bro. Carpenter held the
position
> of city recorder of Manti City, and in February, 1895, he became
> assistant cashier of the Manti City Savings Bank, where he labored
until
> March, 1911, when he was called to be assistant recorder in the
Manti
> Temple. He was ordained a Seventy Aug. 19, 1890, by Apostle
Francis M.
> Lyman, and ordained a High Priest May 8, 1902, by Gustave A.
Iverson and
> set apart as second counselor to Bishop Niels R. Petersen, of the
Manti
> North Ward. For some time prior to this he was one of the
presidents of
> the 48th quorum of Seventy. Of late years Brother Carpenter has
been
> very much interested in genealogical research and has been quite
> successful in gathering a great deal of data pertaining to the
Carpenter
> and the Hatten families of England and the United States and he
has
> accomplished a great work in the Temples for their redemption,
being the
> fulfillment of a blessing pronounced upon his head by Patriarch
Geo. W.
> Hill, March 12, 1899, in Salt Lake City, 12 days after his baptism
into
> the Church. Bro. Carpenter has been a life member of the
Genealogical
> Society of Utah for some years and is their Stake representative
in the
> South Sanpete Stake. In his case it has been a veritable
fulfillment of
> the prophecy of Jeremiah III: 14, wherein it states: "I will take
one of
> a city and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion," etc.
The No.
> two of the family is his brother Geo. Eustance Carpenter, who came
to
> Utah from South Africa and joined the Church in September, 1893;
he was
> associated with the "Deseret News" for many years, being their
city
> editor before resignation, and is now a journalist of high repute.
These
> two brothers are the representatives in the United States of the
> Somerset [p.563] County Carpenters of England, who were yeoman and
lived
> since 1687 at Bradford-on-Tyne, near Taunton, Sommerset, and were
a
> younger branch of the Hereford Carpenters, who lived at Dilwyn,
> Hereford, before 1300 A. D., and whose ancestor fought in the
crusades
> for the recovery of the Holy Land from the Saracens and Turks, as
their
> armorial bearings and crest will indicate.
> end notes.
>
> "Those that inflame the passions of others ... without evident
truths
> ... are either fools or tyrants." Thomas Paine
>
> ******************************************************
>
> Subject:
> [CARPENTER] MORMON 2
> Resent-Date:
> Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:33:20 -0700
> Resent-From:
> CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Date:
> Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:29:09 -0400
> From:
> "carpenter" <carp(a)tezukayama-u.ac.jp>
> To:
> CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
> The matter of J. Hatten Carpenter's genealogy is probably more
serious
> than
> anyone has realized. The Mormon elite, including Brigham Young
himself,
> spent an entire year in England before the move to Utah in an
attempt to
> recruit followers. Herefordshire was one of their important
> destinations.
> The converts they made there were among the first members of their
> organization. Mormon genealogist J. Hatten Carpenter, from England
in
> the
> 1800s, must have been in many ways connected to those events. He
and
> his
> genealogy are certainly SACRED COWS in Salt Lake City and have
their
> place
> in the history of the religion itself. This means that William
'the
> carpenter' DeMelun is an enormous sacred cow. There could be no
> possibility
> of ever casting a shadow of doubt on Carpenter genealogy as
espoused by
> J.
> Hatten Carpenter. This explains our friend John R. Carpenter's
> intransigence
> in the face of a mountain of evidence. He wouldn't dare directly
this
> Mormon
> monument. Unfortunately our Carpenter family history is intimately
bound
> up
> with these people and their concerns.
>
> Bruce Carpenter
>
> Subject:
> [CARPENTER] Mormon thieves
> Resent-Date:
> Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:31:14 -0800
> Resent-From:
> CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Date:
> Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:30:19 -0500
> From:
> "carpenter" <carp(a)tezukayama-u.ac.jp>
> To:
> CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>
> The Mormons have stolen our Carpenter family history. Our story is
one
> of
> the great family histories. All the great merchant families of the
> Middle
> Ages like the Basings, de Gisors are gone, but we are still here.
> We had our part in the commercial revolution of Europe, the Dutch
East
> India
> Company and the unification of world markets, the Massachusetts
Bay
> Colony
> and the development of America. The story is nothing short of
> breathtaking.
> We had our part in the building of the modern world and are still
> around.
> Yet the Mormons are going to steal it from us.
> Bruce Carpenter
>
>