Dear Jerry,
It is possible. The data needs to be gathered on this and compared.
Does anyone else have any more data? See below.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Jerry Carpenter wrote:
Could this issue of the dates and merging have any connection with George of
Michigan's search for John Carpenter in VT? I seem to remember he is looking for
John
Carpenter born about 1797?
John Carpenter wrote:
> Dear Robin,
>
> I checked the material I was given and the dates seem to be correct. The
> two Johns were obiviously merged together and should not have been. I
> am surprised I did not catch that. (if it was a snake it would have...)
>
> John Downer Carpenter born 1826 could not have married Lois Grover in
> 1827. That settles that! It must have been the John Carpenter born abt
> 1797 or so that married her!
>
> Now who was that John Carpenter? My guess was John Carpenter-20567.
>
> John CARPENTER-20567
> is the 1st cousin
> of John Downer CARPENTER-20574
> Their common ancestor is
> Barlow OR Barlo CARPENTER-20561
>
> John CARPENTER-20567
> B: Abt 1797/1800 ,Madison,VT
> M: 7 Jan 1827 --8772 Guilford,Windham,VT
> D:
> Number 8628 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 802.
> Place of birth unknown. He died when a young man.
> His brother was born in Madison county, VT.
> 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
> +Oliver CARPENTER
> +Barlow CARPENTER¦
> ¦ +Martha GREEN----
> +John CARPENTER--¦
> ¦ ¦ +Richard GOSS----
> ¦ +Sarah GOSS------¦
> ¦ +Martha ROBBINS--
> John CARPENTER
> Lois GROVER???? +----------------
> ¦ +J THOMPSON------¦
> ¦ ¦ +----------------
> +Lucena THOMPSON-¦
> ¦ +----------------
> +Pricilla SEARS--¦
> +----------------
>
> NOW how can this be proved? We need a marriage or other record stating
> the father of the John Carpenter who married Lois Grover. Halifax, VT
> and the surrounding area should be searched for him. I wish I could
> issue a warrant ... (Sorry I am a bit tired)
>
> This is the problem and mystery. We only can guess until then!
>
> John R. Carpenter
> La Mesa, CA
>
> Robin Carpenter wrote:
> >
> > Hi John:
> > This John Draper Carpenter was a precocious fellow...marrying just a week
> > short of his very first birthday! (Probably born 1807, don't you think?)
> > Robin
> >
> > At 08:17 PM 10/25/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Dear Judy,
> > >
> > >You have a slight mystery. For some time it was thought John Downer was
> > >the father of John Draper. Some have proposed it was a John Carpenter
> > >born 1797 VT who was the father.
> > >
> > >See below.
> > >
> > >John R. Carpenter
> > >La Mesa, CA
> > >
> > >INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:20574
> > >-------------------------------------------------------
> > > Name:John Downer CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:
> > > Birth:14 Jan 1826 Place:Oberlin,Lorain,OH
> > > Chr: Place:
> > > Marr: 7 Jan 1827 Spouse:Lois GROVER-24168
> > > Death: Place:
> > >Burial: Place:
> > >Father:Richard CARPENTER-20564 Mother:Elizabeth OR B AUSTIN-51263
> > >Notes ---------------------------------------------------
> > >!Number 8632 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 802.
> > >Birth place unknown. No family listed.
> > >NOTE: This John may not be the correct John Carpenter, as father, to
> > >John Draper Carpenter. Newer information indicates that the John (the
> > >father) of JDC was born circa 1797.
> > >
> > >!Family information supplied by John L. Carpenter (3 June 1945) of
> > >Walpole, NH in Feb. 1997.
> > >end notes.
> > >
> > >INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:24168
> > >-------------------------------------------------
> > > Name:Lois GROVER Sex:F ID No:
> > > Birth:Abt 13 Sep 1807 Place:,,VT
> > > Chr: Place:
> > > Marr: 7 Jan 1827 Spouse:John Downer CARPENTER-20574
> > > Death:17 Mar 1880 Place:Halifax,,VT
> > >Burial: Place:
> > >Father:Elisha OR Elijah GROVER-24169 Mother:Lydia GALLOP-24170
> > >Notes ------------------------------------------------
> > >!Name of deceased: Lois Carpenter age 72 yrs 6 mos 4 days
> > >birthplace: Guilford, Vt. father: Elisha Grover
> > >mother: Lydia Gallup DOD Mar 17, 1880 POD Halifax, Vt.
> > >BIRTH: This works out to be abt 13 Sep 1807.
> > >
> > >John Downer CARPENTER-20574
> > >14 Jan 1826
> > >Oberlin,Lorain,OH
> > > --SPOUSE-- MRIN:8772
> > >Lois GROVER-24168
> > >Abt 13 Sep 1807
> > >,,VT
> > > --CHILDREN--
> > > 1-Lewis E. CARPENTER-54321
> > > 2-Asa K. CARPENTER-24171
> > > 3-Lois M. CARPENTER-24172
> > > 4-Mary J. CARPENTER-24173
> > > 5-Catherine J. CARPENTER-24174
> > > 6John Draper CARPENTER-24175
> > > 7-Nancy M. CARPENTER-24176
> > > 8Lydie L. CARPENTER-24992
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Judy Carpenter wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Greetings one and all
> > >> As the subject states . my problem is "very long and
complicated and
> > >> definitely uncompleted". How ever I promise to TRY and keep if
fairly
> > >> short. Through experience I have learned "not" to trust
what people say. I
> > >> need to have proof in hand. (Sorry) When my father was growing up
(he's told
> > >> his children this) he was told that his line came from England, that
three
> > >> brothers came over together and we are from one of the brothers. (I
have
> > >> asked his siblings but they do not really remember being told that).
> > >> I have my Great - great Grandfathers marriage date here in Vermont.
But
> > >> nothing about where he was born or etc. with information. Does any
one
> > >> have ideas where to start searching ? (for my "hand in
proof")
> > >> Here is what I do have in "hand"
> > >> In the year of 1827 John Carpenter and Lois Grover were married by
(the
> > >> best I can make out) Josehr Boyden Justice of the Peace. In Guilford
county
> > >> of Windham Vermont. They went on and had about 5 children, one is
John
> > >> Draper Carpenter who is my Great Grandfather. The help I need is
finding out
> > >> where the " first " John Carpenter came from before
Guilford.
> > >> Thank - you for any help that is given. Judy Carpenter
> > >> purple(a)sover.net
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: carpenter <carp(a)tezukayama-u.ac.jp>
> > >> To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > >> Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:36 PM
> > >> Subject: [CARPENTER] Why Quiet??
> > >>
> > >> >The reason Carpenter has turned dullsville is because
> > >> >everyone has filled the little slots in their Family Tree Makers.
> > >> >BC
> > >
> > >