His strategy is to put on a pleasant face. Beware. J. Hatten Carpenter's
data IS his 'Book'. John R. Carpenter will never dare alter it in any way.
He is using us.
BC
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From: John Carpenter <jrcrin001(a)home.com>
To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:54 PM
Subject: [CARPENTER] Joseph Hatten Carpenter 1861-1964
Dear Folks,
Here is a repeat of the Joseph Hatten Carpenter data and a brief of his
history.
Joseph H. Carpenter's father was a Congregational minister in England.
Many Congregationst Ministers in England were anti-Mormon. Joseph H.
Carpenter reports he met for the first time Mormon Missionaries on a
ship in the Pacific enroute to San Francisco in 1887.
Joseph H. Carpenter published no Book of Carpenter and outside of Utah
he was hardly known except to dedicated researchers. See the notes
below. For those interested a quick search of books and materials at a
Family History Center will reveal what is available from Joseph H.
Carpenter.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:49485
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Name:Joseph Hatten CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:26V3-LN
Birth: 4 Apr 1861 Place:Devonport,Devonshire,England
Chr: Place:
Marr:12 Jun 1889 Spouse:Matilda Sophia ALDER-49487
Marr:30 Sep 1920 Spouse:Lydia Euphrosine SCHRAMM-49486
Marr: Spouse:
Death:10 Dec 1964 Place:Manti,Sanpete,UT
Burial:14 Dec 1964 Place:Manti,Sanpete,UT
Father:Robert Wright CARPENTER R-49477 Mother:Elizabeth Link
HATTEN-49480
Notes ----------------------------------------------------
!BOOK: Jenson, Andrew. Latter-day Saint Biographical Encyclopedia: A
Compilation of Biographical Sketches of Prominent Men and Women in the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 4 vols. A. Jenson History
Company and Deseret News, 1901-36. Vol. 2. Carpenter, Joseph Hatten
Page 561:
Carpenter, Joseph Hatten, second counselor to Bishop Niels R. Petersen,
of the Manti North Ward, Sanpete county, Utah, was born April 4, 1861,
in Devonport, co. of Devon, England, the son of Rev. Robert Wright
Carpenter and Elizabeth Link Hatten. He is a descendant of the old Dukes
of Normandy, his maternal ancestry being cousins to William the
Conqueror. Brother Carpenter's father was a Congregational minister,
therefore Joseph was educated in the Congregational school at Lewisham,
Kent, which was a special school for the education of the sons of
ministers. After leaving this school, Joseph went to Greenwich, where
[p.562] he lived for three years; he then moved to London and was an
employee in the mercantile firm of Messrs. I. & R. Morley, of Wood St.
E. C., for seven years. In March, 1886, he left England for West
Australia in a sailing ship, round the Cape of Good Hope, and after
visiting most of the Australian colonies he started for San Francisco.
While on board the ship "Zealandia" he met two Mormon Elders, Wilson
Ross Pratt and Wm. C. Mellor. After hearing the gospel as taught by
them, he believed it and went direct to Salt Lake City, where he was
baptized March 1, 1887, by James Leatham and settled in the 19th Ward.
In August, 1887, he went to Elsinore, Sevier county, and became clerk of
the Ward. Nov. 6, 1887, he was ordained a Priest by Bishop Joshua W.
Sylvester and in February, 1888, he was ordained an Elder by August
Kotter. In March, of that year, he moved back to Salt Lake City, where
he worked with Geo. M. Cannon in the county recorder's office until the
fall of 1890. He was also clerk of the 22nd Ward under Bishop Alfred
Solomon. June, 12, 1889, he married Matilda Sophia Alder, of Manti, the
daughter of John Alder, of Canton Appenzell, Switzerland, and Matilda
Sophia Schramm of Wurtemberg, Germany. This union has been blessed with
seven children, four boys and three girls. Joseph Gerald, the oldest
son, is now (1914) filling a mission in Germany. In August, 1890,
Brother Carpenter left Utah on a mission to Samoa, where he labored as
conference president on the island of Sawaii, and returned to Utah in
September, 1893. In Manti (which has been his home ever since) he became
an active Y. M. M. I. A. worker, being secretary and president of the
Manti North Ward Y. M. M. I. A., also Stake corresponding secretary and
treasurer and second counselor in the Stake superintendency of the South
Sanpete Stake Y. M. M. I. A. In 1894-95 Bro. Carpenter held the position
of city recorder of Manti City, and in February, 1895, he became
assistant cashier of the Manti City Savings Bank, where he labored until
March, 1911, when he was called to be assistant recorder in the Manti
Temple. He was ordained a Seventy Aug. 19, 1890, by Apostle Francis M.
Lyman, and ordained a High Priest May 8, 1902, by Gustave A. Iverson and
set apart as second counselor to Bishop Niels R. Petersen, of the Manti
North Ward. For some time prior to this he was one of the presidents of
the 48th quorum of Seventy. Of late years Brother Carpenter has been
very much interested in genealogical research and has been quite
successful in gathering a great deal of data pertaining to the Carpenter
and the Hatten families of England and the United States and he has
accomplished a great work in the Temples for their redemption, being the
fulfillment of a blessing pronounced upon his head by Patriarch Geo. W.
Hill, March 12, 1899, in Salt Lake City, 12 days after his baptism into
the Church. Bro. Carpenter has been a life member of the Genealogical
Society of Utah for some years and is their Stake representative in the
South Sanpete Stake. In his case it has been a veritable fulfillment of
the prophecy of Jeremiah III: 14, wherein it states: "I will take one of
a city and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion," etc. The No.
two of the family is his brother Geo. Eustance Carpenter, who came to
Utah from South Africa and joined the Church in September, 1893; he was
associated with the "Deseret News" for many years, being their city
editor before resignation, and is now a journalist of high repute. These
two brothers are the representatives in the United States of the
Somerset [p.563] County Carpenters of England, who were yeoman and lived
since 1687 at Bradford-on-Tyne, near Taunton, Sommerset, and were a
younger branch of the Hereford Carpenters, who lived at Dilwyn,
Hereford, before 1300 A. D., and whose ancestor fought in the crusades
for the recovery of the Holy Land from the Saracens and Turks, as their
armorial bearings and crest will indicate.
end notes.
"Those that inflame the passions of others ... without evident truths
... are either fools or tyrants." Thomas Paine
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Subject:
[CARPENTER] MORMON 2
Resent-Date:
Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:33:20 -0700
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Date:
Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:29:09 -0400
From:
"carpenter" <carp(a)tezukayama-u.ac.jp>
To:
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The matter of J. Hatten Carpenter's genealogy is probably more serious
than
anyone has realized. The Mormon elite, including Brigham Young himself,
spent an entire year in England before the move to Utah in an attempt to
recruit followers. Herefordshire was one of their important
destinations.
The converts they made there were among the first members of their
organization. Mormon genealogist J. Hatten Carpenter, from England in
the
1800s, must have been in many ways connected to those events. He and
his
genealogy are certainly SACRED COWS in Salt Lake City and have their
place
in the history of the religion itself. This means that William 'the
carpenter' DeMelun is an enormous sacred cow. There could be no
possibility
of ever casting a shadow of doubt on Carpenter genealogy as espoused by
J.
Hatten Carpenter. This explains our friend John R. Carpenter's
intransigence
in the face of a mountain of evidence. He wouldn't dare directly this
Mormon
monument. Unfortunately our Carpenter family history is intimately bound
up
with these people and their concerns.
Bruce Carpenter
Subject:
[CARPENTER] Mormon thieves
Resent-Date:
Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:31:14 -0800
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Date:
Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:30:19 -0500
From:
"carpenter" <carp(a)tezukayama-u.ac.jp>
To:
CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
The Mormons have stolen our Carpenter family history. Our story is one
of
the great family histories. All the great merchant families of the
Middle
Ages like the Basings, de Gisors are gone, but we are still here.
We had our part in the commercial revolution of Europe, the Dutch East
India
Company and the unification of world markets, the Massachusetts Bay
Colony
and the development of America. The story is nothing short of
breathtaking.
We had our part in the building of the modern world and are still
around.
Yet the Mormons are going to steal it from us.
Bruce Carpenter