1887 La vallée du Liger - Alcius Ledieu
1998 En Picardie et dans le Nord pendant la tourmente religieuse. La
résistance des familles - Rolande Delguste-Devismes
Histoire de la Picardie - R. Fossier
Les destinées d'une famille - Rolande Delguste-Devismes
1975 Atlas d'archéologie aérienne de Picardie - Roger Agache et Bruno Bréart
1907 Histoire des moulins en Picardie - Amédée de Francqueville
Le doïenné de Picquigny - P. Daire
La Terre et les hommes de Picardie jusqu'à la fin du XIII ème siècle - R.
Fossier
Dictionnaire toponomique du département de la Somme - Garnier
Côtes O des Archives départementales de la Somme
Histoire de l'Ordre souverain de Malte - Borricand
1872 La commanderie de St Maulvis, extrait de Les commanderies - E. Mannier
Géographie historique du département de la Somme - De Witasse Gaëtan
1911 Le canton d'Hornoy - P.L. Limichin
The above is a bibliography of sources with mentions of Gouy and the Lords
of Gouy discussed by the historian and genealogist Jean le Carpentier.
Carpentier found evidence that the English Carpenters were descendants of a
Roger, Lord of Gouy who lived c. 1096. The Lords of Gouy, according to
Carpentier, left records in the abbeys surrounding the city of Arras.
Adjacent to this area was Gouy. The above references shed much light on this
problem. Roger was the descendant of a Theobold. Theobold was thought to
have gone with William of Normandy in the 1066 invasion and received land in
Suffolk, England. Lord of Gouy Roger transferred the land of Gouy to the
Templar Knights for a time until reclaimed by a Ermenfroy in 1127. Lord of
Gouy, Roger had a connection to Norfolk, England where he built a chapel.
“Théobald Frétel est seigneur de Vismes et va prendre part à la bataille
d'Angleterre. Il recevra des terres dans le Suffolk.”
“La terre de Gouy appartient aux Hospitaliers de St Jean de Jérusalem. Roger
Frétel, fils de Théobald fait construire une chapelle dans le Norfolk.”
Both Theobold and son Roger used the term “Fretel” as a surname. Fretel in
Old French meant a musical instrument like panpipes. Theobald had much land
and was also Lord of Vismes. Indeed his genealogy is well accounted for in
standard references like Pere Anslem. Theobald was the son of Raoul (b.
972) and he the son of Walter the Second (d. 1027) and he, Walter the First.
This family line is well published in various books and Internet locations
with variations. The original ancestor was Raoul of Gouy in the 900s. Walter
the First is thought by some to have been the son of Raoul of Gouy. Walter
the Second “Le Blanc” actually had two sons named Raoul. Theobald was the
son of Raoul the First (de Crespy) b. 972. Raoul the First was the eldest
son of Walter the Second. Naturally the family land of Gouy should pass to
him.
“Les comtés de Picquigny et de Poix sont donnés à Gautier de Gouy (fils de
Raoul de Gouy, membre d'une famille palatine alliée aux carolingiens) par le
roi Lothaire (941-21/05/987 et roi de 954 à sa mort).Lothaire prend la ville
d'Aix la Chapelle en 978.Le Ponthieu comprend à l'époque le Boulonnais, le
Ternois,le Vimeu, Ardres et Guines.”
This new information on Gouy can be seen with various photos in a French
Internet site. A:\GOUY.htm
There is no evidence of the use of “Carpenter” as a surname in this line
until 1160 and the Barthelemy and Renaud Carpentier with their connection to
the Cistercian Abbey of Vauchelles, discussed by Jean le Carpentier. I have
suggested before that the surname must have originated with mason-carpenter
architect-engineers connected to the abbey and the order. This abbey as I
have pointed out had an English abbot in the 12th century. What we seem to
have are the lesser sons of an old aristocratic line. A good day at at a
good French library would have cleared this up long ago, but unfortunately I
have not done this. At any rate the Carpenter descent from old Frankish
royalty ( Lords of Gouy) begins to make more sense.
BC