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Hi Pam:
Merle was born in Colorado and his father in Kansas. Before that it was
Michigan. Before that Rhode Island.
Unfortunately Merle is so elderly and doesn't remember things well. I
tried to get a dna sample from him. He agreed on the phone. I then sent
him a detailed letter explaining it all. But he doesn't remember receiving
a letter from me or the dna kit. So I don't think it will be feasible for
him to submit his dna under the circumstances.
Lance
> Lance,
> I noticed the name Merle, which is fairly uncommon, in your post and
> wondered if your cousin might be named for some other Merle I might want
> to
> know about. My grandfather and uncle were Merle M. and Merle O. CARPENTER
> of
> Wisconsin. I don't know if Grandpa was named for anyone, and I don't know
> of any Alaska connection. Merle M.'s father (Horace B.), grandfather
> (Isaac), and uncle, (William), came from NY via Ohio ca 1850s. My late
> uncle is in the CARPENTER cousins DNA project with a 37-marker test (I am
> so
> glad he was willing to participate!). He was evidently descended from the
> Rehoboth branch, but we have not found anyone else in the project who
> connects on paper yet, or any real proof elsewhere of possible further
> ancestry (Ezra?) prior to Horace CARPENTER m3. in Whitehall, NY 1830s, b.
> NH
> or Canada 1790s. Anything familiar? --Pam Berger, Milwaukee, WI.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lance Gillette" <fnldg1(a)uaf.edu>
> To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, :36 PM
> Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Y-DNA Testing
>
>
>> Hello:
>>
>> Do you know if my 1st cousin once removed, Merle B. Carpenter, born
>> about
>> 1925, did the yDNA testing? His father was Forrest Carpenter, and his
>> father was John Burdick Carpenter, son of William Rodman Carpenter.
>>
>> Lance Gillette
>> Fairbanks, Alaska
>
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Hello everyone,
I need to update the information that I have concerning my William Carpenter line which John R. referred to in his previous e-mail.
William Carpenter (1) was born unknown and died unknown. He had at least one known son named William. ( I have found several articles that state he was born about 1701 near NY but I have not been able to document this.)
William Carpenter (2) was born in New York (exact location unknown.) He may have been born in either Dutchess or Westchester County about 1761. He died in the fall sometime between 1821 and 1825 in Little Falls, Herkimer County, New York. ( See Gdn. note below.) William married Lois Austin who died in Kingsbury, Washington County, New York, April 30, 1814. William's occupation was a cooper. William was living in Washington County by 1790 with his family. He had several land transactions the earliest being 25 December 1795 for 44 acres. In 1803 William had several land transactions with Stephen Carpenter, where William and Stephen exchanged 8 acres of land. William owned Lot 67 and Stephen owned Lot 68. The last transaction that William made was in 1807. It is possible that Stephen and William were related, but I have not been able to find any documents to confirm this. There was a Stephen Carpenter who died in Sandy Hill, Washington County, NY age 63 on 26 August 1841. This puts his date of birth about 1777/8. William and Lois had the following children:
1. Silas Carpenter Born 06 October 1792, Kingsbury, Washington County, NY. Moved to the town of Onondaga, Onondaga County, NY where he died 30 September 1875. Married Betsey_____.
Silas and Betsey had the following children born in Onondaga: Charles born 1822/died 04 August 1845, Rensalaer born 1816/died 05 December 1817, Lois born 01 January 1819/died 17 April 1894
Charles born_____/died_____.
2. William Carpenter (3) Born about 1796/7 in the town of Kingsbury, Washington County, New York. Died unknown. William married Zilphia_____ probably in Kingsbury. Washington County deeds show in 1820 that William and Zilphia Carpenter purchased land and then sold the same land in 1823. William and Zilphia moved from Kingsbury to the town of Yates, Orleans County, NY sometime after 1822. They are last listed in the 1850 census in the town of Yates. At least two of their children moved to Michigan around this time so they may have gone with them. William and Zilphia had the following children: Charles born 1820/ died unknown. He moved from Yates sometime after the 1850 census and was living briefly in Ohio before settling in Michigan. Hiram C. Born November 1822 in Kingsbury, Washington County, NY. He died 18 August 1899 in Lyndonville, Orleans County, NY. William H. born 1824/ died unknown. William may have gone to Michigan. Caroline born 1829/died unknown.
3. Mary A. Carpenter was born about 1798/9 in Kingsbury, Washington County, New York. Died unknown. She married Paul Perry who was from Onondaga County, NY. He was born about 1798. Mary and Paul had the following children: William born 1823 in NY, died ______. Henry born 1830 in New York, died ____. John born about 1833/35 in New York, died______. Merritt born 1840/41 in New York. This family moved to Downer's Grove, Illinois.
4. Charles Carpenter (Judge) was born 04 September 1800 in Kingsbury, Washington County, NY., and died 30 May 1891. He is buried in the Myrtle Hill Cemetery, Geddes, Onondaga county, NY. He came to the town of Onondaga, Onondaga County, NY in the fall of 1816. He became the "Principal Salt Inspector" in the town of Geddes, and later held numerous public offices including "Judge" until his death. He married 1st 15 April 1824 Nancy Burgess (04 October 1804 - 20 January 1855) and 2nd Abiah L. Briggs. Charles and Nancy had the following children: Charles H. born____/died_____, Cynthia Ann died young, Emeline died young, Seth M. born______/died_____,
Edward W born_____/died_______, William H. born______/died_____, Silas A. born_____ died_____, Kate L. born____/died_____ and Emma L. born_____/died____.
NOTE: The guardianship records for Onondaga County, NY contained the following: 26 May 1825 - Charles Carpenter was appointed guardian: "To Charles Carpenter, Salina New York. Whereas Henry Carpenter son of William Carpenter of Little Falls, Herkimer County, NY., who was 15 yrs on 22 day of February last."
5. Henry Carpenter (my line) was born 22 February 1810 in Sandy Hill, Washington County, NY. He died 07 June 1891 in Downer's Grove, Illinois. Henry married 14 October 1832 in Orleans county, NY., Martha Blanchard. She was born 21 January 1813 in Whitehall, NY and died 02 October 1882 in Downer's Grove, Illinois. Children of Henry and Martha: Walter born 05 November 1833 in Orleans County, NY. and died 09 November 1856 in Chicago, Illinois. William Henry born 06 August 1842 in Orleans County, NY and died 20 May 1848 in Downer's Grove, Illinois. Martha Jane born 15 September 1845 in Downer's Grove, Illinois. She died 02 February 1923 in Downer's Grove, Illinois. Martha married Eugene Farrar. William Sheldon was born in Warrensville, Illinois 19 November 1854. He was an adopted son of Henry and Martha. William married Martha Hobart in Downer's Grove, Illinois. They had one child, Nellie who never married. They moved to California. The natural parents of William are not known.
6. Unknown female Birth and death dates unknown. In Henry's diary he states that his parents had six children. He also refers to his sister Mary as "his oldest sister".
I do not think that the Charles Pomeroy Carpenter mentioned in the e-mail is related to my line. I hope some of the above information can help someone. Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this great mailing list.
Debbie Weber
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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Charles Pomeroy Carpenter
John R. Carpenter wrote:
<< I believe that Gene Zubrinsky looked at the Herkimer county Carpenters at
one time in mid August 2004. I don't remember how detailed that info was. >>
There were many Herkimer County Carpenters, some related in varying degrees,
others presumably not at all. My posting of 12 August 2004 deals only with
Warren Carpenter and his son Jotham, both of Russia, Herkimer Co., New York,
and formerly of Swansea and Rehoboth, Massachusetts. Warren was the son of
John5 (Benjamin4, Joseph3, William2-1) and Sarah (Hilliard) Carpenter. I see
no connection (direct, at least) between them and the Carpenters of Norway,
Herkimer Co., who were formerly of Rhode Island.
It seems highly unlikely, moreover, that William Carpenter of Norway,
Herkimer Co. (b. Rhode Island ca. 1809) was the same as the William Carpenter (b.
Sandy Hill, Washington Co., N.Y., ca. 1808), son of John Carpenter (b.
Jamaica, Long Island, 11 July 1765).
The 1850 federal census for Norway has six Carpenter men reported as born in
Rhode Island (among them, the least common forenames are Low and Edward); it
would be appropriate to look for them there.
That Charles Carpenter's middle name was Pomeroy (an old New England
surname) might indicate that he was named after a (Charles?) Pomeroy, perhaps from
an allied family.
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Lance,
I noticed the name Merle, which is fairly uncommon, in your post and
wondered if your cousin might be named for some other Merle I might want to
know about. My grandfather and uncle were Merle M. and Merle O. CARPENTER of
Wisconsin. I don't know if Grandpa was named for anyone, and I don't know
of any Alaska connection. Merle M.'s father (Horace B.), grandfather
(Isaac), and uncle, (William), came from NY via Ohio ca 1850s. My late
uncle is in the CARPENTER cousins DNA project with a 37-marker test (I am so
glad he was willing to participate!). He was evidently descended from the
Rehoboth branch, but we have not found anyone else in the project who
connects on paper yet, or any real proof elsewhere of possible further
ancestry (Ezra?) prior to Horace CARPENTER m3. in Whitehall, NY 1830s, b. NH
or Canada 1790s. Anything familiar? --Pam Berger, Milwaukee, WI.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Gillette" <fnldg1(a)uaf.edu>
To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Y-DNA Testing
> Hello:
>
> Do you know if my 1st cousin once removed, Merle B. Carpenter, born about
> 1925, did the yDNA testing? His father was Forrest Carpenter, and his
> father was John Burdick Carpenter, son of William Rodman Carpenter.
>
> Lance Gillette
> Fairbanks, Alaska
John R. Carpenter wrote:
<< I believe that Gene Zubrinsky looked at the Herkimer county Carpenters at
one time in mid August 2004. I don't remember how detailed that info was. >>
There were many Herkimer County Carpenters, some related in varying degrees,
others presumably not at all. My posting of 12 August 2004 deals only with
Warren Carpenter and his son Jotham, both of Russia, Herkimer Co., New York,
and formerly of Swansea and Rehoboth, Massachusetts. Warren was the son of
John5 (Benjamin4, Joseph3, William2-1) and Sarah (Hilliard) Carpenter. I see
no connection (direct, at least) between them and the Carpenters of Norway,
Herkimer Co., who were formerly of Rhode Island.
It seems highly unlikely, moreover, that William Carpenter of Norway,
Herkimer Co. (b. Rhode Island ca. 1809) was the same as the William Carpenter (b.
Sandy Hill, Washington Co., N.Y., ca. 1808), son of John Carpenter (b.
Jamaica, Long Island, 11 July 1765).
The 1850 federal census for Norway has six Carpenter men reported as born in
Rhode Island (among them, the least common forenames are Low and Edward); it
would be appropriate to look for them there.
That Charles Carpenter's middle name was Pomeroy (an old New England
surname) might indicate that he was named after a (Charles?) Pomeroy, perhaps from
an allied family.
Gene Z.
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In response to your question stated below, Charles Pomeroy Carpenter born in
NY 1838, Helen J. born in NY 1841, Henry S. born in NY 1844, and Adalaide
Carpenter born in NY 1846. Their father listed as William Carpenter born
between 1809 and 1811 in Rhode Island. They lived in Norway, Herkimer County, NY.
There was another William Carpenter according to the 1840 Census who was
between the ages of 40 and 50 living in Russia, Herkimer County, NY. He had six
children as of this census.
I am guessing that the William of Norway and the William of Russia were
probably related, but I am not certain.
According to my research, there was a William Carpenter listed in the Rhode
Island Census of 1810, with 11 members in the household, including a male
under the age of 10. But there were many Carpenters in that Rhode Island Census
with a male child under the age of 10, who could have been the father of
William of Norway. This is where I hit a brick wall
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:02:07 -0500
From: "Brad & Bonnie Kershaw" <bkershaw(a)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Charles Pomeroy Carpenter
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I'm not sure if this Charles Pomeroy Carpenter is related to my Carpenters
or not. Do you have any of the other children's names from this census? I
doubt if it is, as my great-grandfather, Alfred Madison Carpenter, born in
Madison County, NY, in 1830, was the last of 11 children. I don't know how
many of them would have been left at home by 1850. I have some info that a
William was his father, but he would have been about 55 in 1850.
I'm at a brick wall with my research, so I was hopeful when I first read
your post. I'd be glad to share what info I have if it turns out that there
is any tie here.
Bonnie
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I am trying trace my lineage and have gone back to the US Federal Census of
1870 taken in N. Bloomfield, Ohio. In this census is listed my great, great
grandfather Charles Pomeroy Carpenter born in New York. This much I know is
certain. From here everything I have done is based upon my best research and
estimation.
I found a William Carpenter living in Norway, Herkimer County, New York on
the US 1850 Census. This particular William was approximately 41 years of age
at the time of this census. And, his wife was named Ann Eliza. They listed
six children by the time of the 1860 Census.
One child listed was Charles P. Carpenter, who I believe might be Charles
Pomeroy Carpenter of N Bloomfield, Ohio. The age of Charles P of New York of
the 1850 Census ties with what Charles P Carpenter's age would have been by the
1870 Census taken in N Bloomfield, Ohio.
According to the New York 1850 Census, William Carpenter of Norway,
Herkimer, New York was born in Rhode Island.
I was wondering if this same William Carpenter of Norway, NY is tied into
your family lineage?
I have been searching for information and came upon your web site.
Any information that you could provide would be appreciated.
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Dear George,
I am so sorry for your loss. It must be very difficult to lose a brother so soon. My roots are connected to a Reuben Carpenter circa 1780 of SC through children ending up in Alabama. Even though there is not much discussion of Reubens on this list, there were several Reubens. Early ones were in the MA area and later SC, NC, OH, MS, AL, TX, AR, IA. Just a simple search pulls up the following:
1790 Census: Reuben in MA, Reuben in CT, Reuben in VT
1800 Census: this census lists the first 3 plus 1 in NC.
If you search a little harder, you can find Reubens in Territorial lists and land records , etc. all over the US. Also, some Reuben Zimmermans changed their surname to Carpenter. I can easily find 36 Reubens in the 1880 census. There was a Reuben in the 1895 (Blue Earth County) Minnesota Territorial census which was maybe your ancestor?
I always liked the name Reuben. It's a good strong name being associated with the founder of one of God's tribes. Thank you for replying to my post and sharing the information about your brother. It sounds like Marion is lucky to have you for an Uncle.
Donna Carpenter-Cuzze
Donna,
I have read that land grant rights were sold to others simply because
they wanted the money, but not the land.
Richard
At 02:42 AM 4/6/2008, you wrote:
>Did AMREV soldiers assign their "rights" to land to other persons,
>or were "assignees" acting on behalf of the veteran?
>
>Example: OHIO MILITARY LAND GRANT
>
>There is granted to "REUBEN CARPENTER" assignee of "JOHN FLANDERS"
>heir at law of Jacob Flanders, a private in the late New Hampshire
>Line. ... 100 acres being in for lot No.thirty seven in the first
>quarter of the Sixth Township in the Sixteenth Range of the tract
>appropriated for satisfying warrants for military services and
>surveyed and located in pursuance of the acts above recited. ..
>Dated : Oct 6, 1812
>
>Thanks,
>Donna Carpenter-Cuzze
>
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Donna asked:
<< Did AMREV soldiers assign their "rights" to land to other persons, or
were "assignees" acting on behalf of the veteran? >>
The former.
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Did AMREV soldiers assign their "rights" to land to other persons,
or were "assignees" acting on behalf of the veteran?
Example: OHIO MILITARY LAND GRANT
There is granted to "REUBEN CARPENTER" assignee of "JOHN FLANDERS" heir at law of Jacob Flanders, a private in the late New Hampshire Line. ... 100 acres being in for lot No.thirty seven in the first quarter of the Sixth Township in the Sixteenth Range of the tract appropriated for satisfying warrants for military services and surveyed and located in pursuance of the acts above recited. ..
Dated : Oct 6, 1812
Thanks,
Donna Carpenter-Cuzze
Inscription from Woodlawn Cemetery, Canandaigua, Ontario, NY:
In memory of
RICHARD CARPENTER
WHO DIED
April 27 1813,
AGED 63 YEARS.
ABIGAIL WIFE OF
RICHARD CARPENTER
WHO DIED
October 29 1816,
IN THE 78th YEAR OF HER AGE.
PARENTS OF ELIZABETH WFE OF
THOMAS BARNEY
---
ELIZABETH BARNEY
BORN
14 Feb. 1771.
DIED
3 April 1839.
---
THOMAS BARNEY
BORN
1 June 1765.
DIED
14 Feb. 1850
---
THOMAS & ELIZABETH,
BARNEY,
CAME FROM ORANGE
COUNTY N. Y.
TO CANANDAIGUA.
June 1798.
Also see my message from January 1:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CARPENTER/2008-01/1199198704
I still believe I am on the right track.
Dennis
291
The people of the State of New York by the grace of God free and
Independent To all to whom these presents shall come or may concern,
send Greeting : Know ye, That at the town of Candandaigua in the County
of Ontario on the fifth day of May in the year of our Lord one thousand
eight hundred and thirteen before Eliphalet Taylor Esquire Surrogate of
our said County, the last will and Testament of Richard Carpenter
deceased (a copy where of is hereunto annexed) was proved and is now
approved and allowed of by us : and the said deceased having whilst he
lived, and at the time of his death, Good, Chattels or Credits, within
this State, by means where of the proving and registering the said Will
and the granting Administration of all and singular the said Good,
Chattels and Credits, and also the auditing allowing and final
discharging the account thereof, doth belong to us, the Administration
of all and singular the Goods, Chattels and Credits of the said deceased
and any way concerning his Will is granted unto Elisha Higby Executor in
the said Will named hereby requiring him to make and exhibit a true and
perfect inventory of all and singular the said Goods Chattels and
Credits and also to render a just and true account thereof then
thereunto required - In testimony whereof we have caused the Seal of
Office of our said Surrogate
292
to be hereunto affixed. (Witness?) Eliphalet Taylor Esquire Surrogate of
the said County, at the town of Canandaigua aforesaid the fifth day of
May in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirteen and
of our Independence the thirty seventh
Eliphalet Taylor
[WILL]
In the name of God Amen,
I Richard Carpenter of Canandaigua in the County of Ontario and State of
New York being weak in body but sound in mind - do make this my last
Will and Testament -- 1st After my decease I order and direct that my
Executor herein after mentioned, to ca?? my body to be decently buried
and that the expense of the same be immediately paid together with all
my just debts from my present property -- 2dly I give and devise to my
dear and aged wife Abigail Carpenter all the residue of my personal
property over and above paying my said debts -- I also give devise and
bequeath to my said wife Abigail the use and improvement and all the
profits of all my real property during her natural life -- 3dly I give
and devise to Richard Carpenter Dillon the House and lot on which I now
live situated on the north side of the road leading from the Court house
to Israel Chapins Mills supposed to contain about twelve or fourteen
Acres of land to his heirs and assigns forever - the Richard Carpenter
to come into possession of the above described premises when he comes to
the age of twenty one years and the said Richard Carpenter Dillon shall
deliver the one third part of all proceeds of said lot above described
to my wife Abigail Carpenter yearly and every year during her natural
life -- 4thly I order that my Executor when is shall be necessary to pay
my debts if there should not be personal property sufficient to sell of
ten acres of land east of the road running from the Court house to
Israel Chapins Mills beginning as a lane between Nicholas Barnea's land
and
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my land a line to run paralel with the lane ???? across the (the
division line to run paralel with the lane) first Brook so far on the
said lot westerly as to make ten Acres of land and after paying all
(debts?) which I know owe I order that my Executor divide the money
which will be left of the sale above mentioned ten Acres of land Between
Bettsy Barnea, Eunice Drake, Phebe Dillon and Milly Barnea my four
daughters equally -- 5thly I give and devise to Richard Carpenter Dillon
all the rest and residue of my land lying and being situated East of the
road leading from the Court house to Israel Chapins Mills and north of
the Canandaigua Outlet and the said Richard Carpenter Dillon is to come
into possession of the last mentioned premises a the decease of my wife
Abigail Carpenter and not before ---- And I hereby appoint Elisha Higby
of Gorham in the County aforementioned Executor of this my last will and
Testament hereby revoking all former Wills by me made - in witness
whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal the 16th day of April in
the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirteen
Richard Carpenter /SS/
Signed sealed published and declared by the above mentioned Richard
Carpenter to be his last will and testament in the presence of us who
have hereunto subscribed our names as Witnesses in the presence of the
Testator --
Elisha Higby
Mehetable Horton
Joshua Vanfleet
The word then and divission line to run paralel with lane fence before
signed ----
Ontario County, ss.
Be it remembered that on the Fifth day of May in the year of our Lord
one thousand eight hundred and thirteen - personally appeared before me
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Eliphalet Taylor Esquire Surrogate of the County of Ontario Joshua
Vanfleet who being duly sworn, did depose and say, that he the deponent
saw Richard Carpenter late of the County of Ontario deceased, sign and
seal the written Instrument, then shown unto him of which the aforegoing
is a true copy, purporting to be the last Will and Testament of the said
Richard Carpenter deceased, bearing the date the sixteenth day of April
in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirteen. that at
the time thereof the said Richard Carpenter was of a sound disposing
mind and memory, to the best of the knowledge and belief of him the
deponent and the he the deponent and Mehitebel Horton and Elisha Higby
subscribed their names as witnesses to the said Will in the presence of
each other, and in the presence of the Testator
Eliphalet Taylor
I certify the aforegoing to be a true Copy of the Letters Testamentary
granted to Elisha Higby on the Will of Richard Carpenter deceased and of
said Will and the Certificate of the proof thereof
Eliphalet Taylor
-----
transcribed by Dennis F. Carpenter, April 2008
Information
This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.