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An update on how my family tree is budding:
https://www.mccallie.org/ftpimages/309/download/download_group11565_id370...
then turn to page 16......
or a shorter version if the first URL wraps around on you:
http://tinyurl.com/6cq9k6
By the time 2nd grade ended here, two months after our return, our
daughter was chattering along in English and Spanish.
For me Chinese was somewhat like learning Greek, although I found Greek harder.
One has to learn the symbols, the Pinyin which is a phonetic spelling
of what the symbol is pronounced as, and the dreaded tones.
Context is everything. One word spelled the same in Pinyin with the
same tone can have 40 different meanings depending on its use.
Our daughter was having trouble telling the difference between he and
she because in Chinese they are spelled and pronounced exactly the
same, while the character is slightly different.
Being in my 50s and having had a burst ear drum in the last few
years, I was not as able as my 7th grader counterparts in hearing the
fine difference between the tones.
There are first, second, third, fourth tones, a neutral tone and the
one the boys coined - the stupid tone!
The word - ba - depending on tone can mean - eight, to pull out, target, dad.
Their sentence structure is different than ours so one feels like one
is speaking in broken English. They do not use verb tenses as we
do. A character can be translated as a phrase or it may take more
than one character to create a word.
From a genealogy standpoint it gets quite interesting as well:
We would have grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, nephews and
nieces and we might say which side of the family they come from.
There are Chinese words for these individuals -
grandfather, grandmother, father's elder brother, father's younger
brother, wife of father's elder brother, wife of father's younger
brother, father's sister, husband of father's sister, brother's son,
brother's daughter, sister-in-law, and about 8 words for cousins.
This cover's just the father's side, for there are an equal number,
but different words for relatives on the mother's side.
Tim Stowell
The UNEXPECTED always happens.
<< If I've followed it right [Julian Adcock's] sister Neele ADCOCKE married
Stephen PAINE and they and several other PAINEs went over on the 1639
Diligent. >>
The Adcocke-Paine connection turns out to be key: Like John Sutton and his
family, the Paines came to Massachusetts on the _Diligent_ in 1638--the
Suttons from Attleborough, the Paines from [adjacent] Great Ellingham, both in co.
Norfolk (NEHGR 15[1861]:26-27
<http://www.newenglandancestors.org/database_search/nehgsr.asp?page=1&vol=...>). The two men
and their families are listed in succession in the record of Daniel Cushing,
from which the foregoing information comes (ibid., 26).
Among those mentioned in the will of John Adcocke of Great Ellingham, dated
12 October 1638 and proved 30 (25?) January 1638/9, are the following:
"Stephen Payne my sonn in lawe"; "Nicholas Braye my sonn in lawe and Elizabeth his
wife"; "Stephen Payne John Payne Nathaniell Payne and Rebecca Payne my
grandchildren"; grandchild Ruth Bray, daughter of Elizabeth and Nicholas; and
grandchild Elizabeth SUTTON (my caps) (NEHGR 143[1989]:299-300
<http://www.newenglandancestors.org/database_search/nehgsr.asp?f=F:/Inetpu...
isk8/1989/989D299.gif&cnt=&ffile=989D300.gif&anchor=#image>). Although the
testator lived at Great Ellingham for a few months prior to his death and
was buried there, he had been a longtime resident of Attleborough (ibid., 299).
Among the children of John and Elizabeth (Eldred) Adcocke (m. Attleborough
20 July 1593), all baptized at Attleborough, were Elizabeth, bp. 2 Feb.
1596/7 (m. Nicholas Bray); Julian, bp 11 Feb. 1598/9 (see below); and Neele, bp.
20 Feb. 1602/3 (m. Stephen Paine) (NEHGR 143:300n).
The foregoing data, when considered along with Rehoboth and Plymouth Colony
records pertaining to Neele Payne (d. Rehoboth, 20 Jan. 1660, wife of Stephen
Sr.) and Julian Sutton (widow of John; bur. Rehoboth, 4 June 1678), strongly
suggest that these women were sisters, both of them daughters of John and
Elizabeth (Eldred) Adcocke. Although we lack direct evidence that Julian
(Adcocke) Sutton was the mother of all John Sutton's children--or at least (for
our purposes) of Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter--it is likely that John Adcocke's
granddaughter Elizabeth Sutton (see above), presumably named after Julian's
mother, preceded Margaret in the birth order. (Grandparents' names were
usually given to children early in the birth order.) From this, we may
tentatively conclude that Julian was also Margaret's mother.
The marriage at Norwich on 4 Dec. 1627 of John Sutton of Wortwell and
Elizabeth Skarlett of Norwich and the subsequent baptisms there of children John
and Margaret, almost certainly pertain to another John Sutton, and not simply
because of the facts presented above. In his will, dated at Scituate, Mass.,
on 12 November 1691, John2 Sutton describes himself as "aged 70 years or
there abouts" (NEHGR 91(1937):63
<http://www.newenglandancestors.org/database_search/nehgsr.asp?vol=91&pg=6...>). This implies a
birth year of about 1621, at least nine years earlier than that of the John
Sutton baptized at Norwich on 11 March 1631[/2?], presumably the son of John and
Elizabeth (Skarlett) Sutton. There is no reason, moreover, to think that
the wife who accompanied _Diligent_ passenger John Sutton was named Elizabeth,
as Banks has it. The forenames Banks gives for John1 Sutton's wife and
children are actually those of John2's (see NEHGR 91[1937]:63, 64). The only
record we have of the _Diligent_'s Sutton passengers is that of Daniel Cushing,
which mentions a wife and four children but names only John. (It's therefore
moot, but as the wife of Nicholas Bray, John Adcocke's daughter Elizabeth
was clearly not the wife of John Sutton.)
While it certainly appears that Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter's mother was
Julian (Adcocke) Sutton, I remain puzzled that Julian's name does not
recur--even once, so far as I can tell--among Sutton descendants. Maybe she wasn't a
very nice person.:-)
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Apparently, English parish records indicate John Sutton
was married and with children who were not siblings of
Margaret. Work needs to be done on the Sutton line.
JD
http://www.genealogy.theroyfamily.com/p4473.htm
Esther Sutton
Female, #4473
Esther Sutton was the daughter of John Sutton and Elizabeth Skarlette.1 Esther Sutton immigrated on 10 August 1638 to Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts.1 On 4 March 1656 in Rehoboth, Bristol County, Massachusetts, Esther married Richard Bowen, son of Richard Bowen.2 Esther Sutton was buried on 6 November 1688 in Rehoboth, Bristol County, Massachusetts.2
Children of Esther Sutton and Richard Bowen
• Sarah Bowen1
• Richard Bowen1
• Hester Bowen1 (20 Apr 1660 - )
• Mary Bowen1 (5 Oct 1666 - )
Citations
1. Riley, Henry, letter. 27 March 1994, to Mullins, Jane. Personal Genealogical Collection; RR1, Box 308, Paw Paw, West Virginia.
2. Bowen, Richard LaBaron Jr.. "The Ancestry, Wives, and Children of Richard Bowen of Weymouth and Rehoboth, Massachusetts", The American Genealogist volume 76, number 4 (October 2001).
A genealogist mailed me this email, offlist:
I am a descendant of John Sutton's daughter Margaret, who married Joseph Carpenter. One of the responders to your question regarding John Sutton referenced the book, Thirty-One English Immigrants Who Came to New England by 1662, by Dorothy C. and Gerald E. Knoff, 1989. I copied off these pages some years back and here is some information given:
On about three trips to England starting in 1959, Gerald Knoff searched for records pertaining to John Sutton and his family. In Boyd's Marriage Index, Norfolk 1626-1650, v. 6, p. 99, he found the marriage records of John Sutton and Elizabeth Skarlette. He also traveled to the Church of Saint Stephen in Norwich and viewed the Parish Register, and reported these records:
Marriages:
John Sutton of Wortwell, single man married Elizabeth Skarlette of Norwich Dec. 4, 1927.
Baptized:
March 11, 1631 John, first son of John Sutton
January 16, 1632 Margaret, daughter of John Sutton
The book went on to say that in 1962 he went to see the Register of St. Stephen's Church at Wortwell, but the church was locked and no one could be found.
He goes on to say that sometime after the birth of Margaret the Sutton family moved to Attleborough from which they came to Massachusetts. They were passengers on the Diligent. Planters of the Commonwealth 1620-1640, by Charles Edward Banks 1930, gives the family of John Sutton as follows:
John Sutton of Attleborough, Norfolk to Hingham
Mrs. Elizabeth Sutton
Hannah Sutton
John Sutton, Jr.
Nathaniel Sutton
Elizabeth Sutton.
He noted that Margaret, who was baptized at the Church of St. Stephen, was not named among the children.
He mentioned that at some time John Sutton married a second wife, as the name of his widow was Julian. John Sutton died on 1 Jun 1672 and left an estate record.
The author included the following children (summarized):
1. John, bapt. at St. Stephens Church in Norwich on 11 Mar 1631. Married in Scituate 1 January 1661 to Elizabeth House, d/o Samuel House. John Sutton of Scituate left a will dated 12 Nov 1691, indicating he was aged 70 years or there abouts.
2. Margaret, bapt. at St. Stephen's Church in Norwich on 16 Jan 1632. "she may have died in England or Banks may not have learned of her existence. If Cushing [Town clerk of Hingham, MA] numbered six persons in the family of John Sutton, she would have made it seven. If she died in England, another child was named Margaret, for a Margaret Sutton, daughter of John, married at Rehoboth 25 Nov 1655 Joseph Carpenter."
3. Hannah, named in Banks' list of the Sutton children, but may have been the daughter Anna.
4. Anna/Anne married at Rehoboth 23 Oct 1651 to John Doggett. Other sources say November. Torrey has her birthdate about 1629 which would make her probably the oldest child in the family, as John is called "the first son."
5. Mary married John Fitch.
6. Nathaniel, b. England
7. Elizabeth, b. England
8. Ester, b. prob. Mass, m. at Rehoboth 4 Mar 1656 to Richard Bowen.
The author included a brief account and photographs of St. Stephen's, Wortwell and St. Stephen's, Norwich.
I just took a look at the IGI and the marriage of John Sutton and Elizabeth Skarlette is included as an entry. The FHL indicates that it has microfilm of the parish records of St. Stephen's Norwich, but there is nothing for Wortwell.
I made contact a few days ago with the Sutton surname study through FamilyTree DNA. The coordinator contacted me to say that none of the current participants is descended from this John Sutton.
You are welcome to pass this information on to others who have interest in this Sutton family.
JD
In New England Marriages Prior to 1700 by Clarence Almon Torrey there are
two John Suttons shown. I believe they were father and son.
JOHN SUTTON (-1672) & JULIAN _?__(- 1678); in Eng, banns 1621
Hingham/Rehoboth
JOHN SUTTON (1621-1691) (ae 70 in 1691) & ELIZABETH HOUSE (1636-1679+);
banns
1-1-1661 Scituate
Charlie Carpenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "J D" <jimdandy1947(a)yahoo.com>
To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Sutton Line,John Sutton's dau. Margaret m. Joseph
Carpenter 25 Nov 1
>
> Another update:
>
>>It is sometimes said that Julian Suttons maiden name was Little, and
>>that she married John Sutton at Scituate, Massachusetts, in 1636 (see for
>>example, IGI; Ancestry.com). But John Sutton--with a wife and four
>>children-- did not arrive in New England until 1638; the earliest
>>recorded marriage at Scituate, moreover, is dated in 1640
>
> This site suggests her maiden name was ADCOCKE but gives no really early
> sources.
>
> http://flitcraft.ancestryregister.com/CARPENTER00001.htm
>
> The earliest source cited appears to be
>
> 301. Carpenter, Amos B., A Genealogical History of the Rehoboth Branch of
> the Carpenter Family in America as Brought Down from Their English
> Ancestors
> (also known as the 'Carpenter Memorial') (Carpenter & Morehouse; Amherst
> MA;
> 1898), Pages 45-46.
>
> It seems there was a Julian ADCOCKE christened in Attleborough or at least
> there is an extraction in the IGI...
>
> JULIAN ADCOCKE Female
> Christening: 11 FEB 1598 Attleborough, Norfolk, England
> Father: JOHN ADCOCKE Family
>
> The following poster refers to Julian ADCOCKE in passing and links her to
> Rehoboth, Massachusetts..
>
> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAINE/2003-09/1062691831
>
> If I've followed it right her sister Neele ADCOCKE married Stephen PAINE
> and
> they and several other PAINEs went over on the 1639 Diligent.
>
> There is an IGI extraction for NEELE ADCOK
> Christening: 20 FEB 1602 Attleborough, Norfolk, England
> Father: JOHN ADCOK Family
>
>
> JD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Another update:
>It is sometimes said that Julian Suttons maiden name was Little, and
>that she married John Sutton at Scituate, Massachusetts, in 1636 (see for
>example, IGI; Ancestry.com). But John Sutton--with a wife and four
>children-- did not arrive in New England until 1638; the earliest
>recorded marriage at Scituate, moreover, is dated in 1640
This site suggests her maiden name was ADCOCKE but gives no really early
sources.
http://flitcraft.ancestryregister.com/CARPENTER00001.htm
The earliest source cited appears to be
301. Carpenter, Amos B., A Genealogical History of the Rehoboth Branch of
the Carpenter Family in America as Brought Down from Their English Ancestors
(also known as the 'Carpenter Memorial') (Carpenter & Morehouse; Amherst MA;
1898), Pages 45-46.
It seems there was a Julian ADCOCKE christened in Attleborough or at least
there is an extraction in the IGI...
JULIAN ADCOCKE Female
Christening: 11 FEB 1598 Attleborough, Norfolk, England
Father: JOHN ADCOCKE Family
The following poster refers to Julian ADCOCKE in passing and links her to
Rehoboth, Massachusetts..
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PAINE/2003-09/1062691831
If I've followed it right her sister Neele ADCOCKE married Stephen PAINE and
they and several other PAINEs went over on the 1639 Diligent.
There is an IGI extraction for NEELE ADCOK
Christening: 20 FEB 1602 Attleborough, Norfolk, England
Father: JOHN ADCOK Family
JD
Presumably because the quoted paragraphs I included in yesterday's message
were copied and pasted from a .doc file, various punctuation marks were
transformed into question marks when the message was transmitted (at least that's
the way it came back to me). I hope that my editing of the compromised
material holds up in transmission, thereby making for a copy that reads more
smoothly.
Again, from a recently prepared sketch of Joseph3 Carpenter accessible at
<http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/carplink.htm>:
On 3 June 1673 letters of administration were "graunted unto Julian Sutton,
widdow, the late wife of John Sutton, of Rehoboth, deceased" (PCR 5:116).
She was Sutton's wife on 28 May 1669, when she relinquished her dower right to
land he deeded to Jonathan Fuller (Early Rehoboth 3:160). It is not at all
certain, however, that she was the mother of Sutton?s daughter Margaret. The
record of Julian Sutton's nuncupative will (an oral declaration), dated 25
April 1678, mentions her "son-in-law" Sergeant John Fitch, "with whom shee
had sojourned about five years," and also "the Rest of the Children" (unnamed)
(PCPR 3:2:110). But what is meant by _son-in-law_ in this instance? The term
was often used during this period to mean _stepson_. Was Fitch Julian's
stepson from a previous marriage? Had he, on the other hand, married a daughter
of hers from a previous marriage or a stepdaughter from either her marriage to
Sutton or a previous one? Only if Fitch's wife, Mary, had been both Julian's
natural daughter and a Sutton by birth would Margaret--who was almost
certainly younger than Mary (the Fitch's eldest daughter married in 1667)--have
been Julian's daughter, as well (see RVR 1:179 [not 178]; TVR 2:184; BrCoPR
1:198, 211-12, 2:123-24, 171). Neither of these conditions has been established,
however. The name Julian, moreover, fails to appear among any of John
Sutton's known or supposed daughters and granddaughters (Stevens-Miller 269-70;
BrCoPR 2:123, 171). Presumably based on these facts, the distinguished
genealogist Mary Lovering Holman (without explanation) identifies Julian as John
Sutton's second wife (Stevens-Miller 269).
It is sometimes said that Julian Sutton's maiden name was Little, and that
she married John Sutton at Scituate, Massachusetts, in 1636 (see for example,
IGI; Ancestry.com). But John Sutton--with a wife and four children--did not
arrive in New England until 1638; the earliest recorded marriage at
Scituate,
moreover, is dated in 1640 (NEHGR 15:26; MD 2:32). A Sutton marriage is
recorded at Scituate, but it was that of John2 Sutton (Margaret's brother) and
Elizabeth House, in 1661 (SVR 2:283). No record is found of a Julian Little in
New England.
Gene Z.
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>From GENUKI:
Sanderson, E.W. and Palgrave-Moore, Patrick
Attleborough (Church of England) Parish Registers 1552-1840; transcribed,
edited and indexed.
[Norwich: Norfolk & Norwich Genealogical Society, 1980]
[Reissued on CD, 2001]
The above sources are not available to me, but should be noted
that further research in Attleborough, co. Norfolk, England,
should answer ancestor question about Margaret Sutton, dau. of
John.
JD
*****
--- On Sat, 12/13/08, GeneZub(a)aol.com <GeneZub(a)aol.com> wrote:
> From: GeneZub(a)aol.com <GeneZub(a)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Sutton Line, John Sutton's dau. Margaret m. Joseph Carpenter 25 Nov 1
> To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:23 AM
> Presumably because the quoted paragraphs I included in
> yesterday's message
> were copied and pasted from a .doc file, various
> punctuation marks were
> transformed into question marks when the message was
> transmitted (at least that's
> the way it came back to me). I hope that my editing of the
> compromised
> material holds up in transmission, thereby making for a
> copy that reads more
> smoothly.
>
> Again, from a recently prepared sketch of Joseph3 Carpenter
> accessible at
> <http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/carplink.htm>:
>
> On 3 June 1673 letters of administration were
> "graunted unto Julian Sutton,
> widdow, the late wife of John Sutton, of Rehoboth,
> deceased" (PCR 5:116).
> She was Sutton's wife on 28 May 1669, when she
> relinquished her dower right to
> land he deeded to Jonathan Fuller (Early Rehoboth 3:160).
> It is not at all
> certain, however, that she was the mother of Sutton?s
> daughter Margaret. The
> record of Julian Sutton's nuncupative will (an oral
> declaration), dated 25
> April 1678, mentions her "son-in-law" Sergeant
> John Fitch, "with whom shee
> had sojourned about five years," and also "the
> Rest of the Children" (unnamed)
> (PCPR 3:2:110). But what is meant by _son-in-law_ in this
> instance? The term
> was often used during this period to mean _stepson_. Was
> Fitch Julian's
> stepson from a previous marriage? Had he, on the other
> hand, married a daughter
> of hers from a previous marriage or a stepdaughter from
> either her marriage to
> Sutton or a previous one? Only if Fitch's wife, Mary,
> had been both Julian's
> natural daughter and a Sutton by birth would Margaret--who
> was almost
> certainly younger than Mary (the Fitch's eldest
> daughter married in 1667)--have
> been Julian's daughter, as well (see RVR 1:179 [not
> 178]; TVR 2:184; BrCoPR
> 1:198, 211-12, 2:123-24, 171). Neither of these conditions
> has been established,
> however. The name Julian, moreover, fails to appear among
> any of John
> Sutton's known or supposed daughters and granddaughters
> (Stevens-Miller 269-70;
> BrCoPR 2:123, 171). Presumably based on these facts, the
> distinguished
> genealogist Mary Lovering Holman (without explanation)
> identifies Julian as John
> Sutton's second wife (Stevens-Miller 269).
>
> It is sometimes said that Julian Sutton's maiden name
> was Little, and that
> she married John Sutton at Scituate, Massachusetts, in
> 1636 (see for example,
> IGI; Ancestry.com). But John Sutton--with a wife and four
> children--did not
> arrive in New England until 1638; the earliest recorded
> marriage at
> Scituate,
> moreover, is dated in 1640 (NEHGR 15:26; MD 2:32). A
> Sutton marriage is
> recorded at Scituate, but it was that of John2 Sutton
> (Margaret's brother) and
> Elizabeth House, in 1661 (SVR 2:283). No record is found
> of a Julian Little in
> New England.
>
> Gene Z.
>
>
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>> Has anyone got earlier English background on this Sutton line?
> Joseph Carpenter___________Margaret Sutton
> b.baptized 6 Apr 1634,Shalbourne, b.?,
> Berkshire, England Swansea, Bristol, MA
> married: 25 Nov 1655, Rehoboth, Plymouth Colony
> d.btwn: 3 May 1675/6 May 1675 d.btwn: 21 Mar 1675/6 and
> buried: Swansea, Plymouth Colony, 4 Oct 1676, probably
> now Barrington, Rhode Island Swansea, Plymouth Colony
____________________________________________________
Margaret Sutton was born either in England or at Hingham; Swansea wasn't
established until 1667.
As the _Register_ article (NEHGR 91[1937]:63-68) indicates (quoting from
Daniel Cushing's record (NEHGR 15[1861]:25-27), the Sutton family came from
Attleborough, which Mary Lovering Holman's sketch of John Sutton identifies as a
parish six miles southwest of Norwich, in co. Norfolk (Stevens-Miller
Ancestry, vol. 1 [1948], 269).
On Margaret's parentage is this, from a recently prepared sketch of Joseph3
Carpenter accessible at <http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/carplink.htm>:
On 3 June 1673 letters of administration were “graunted unto Julian Sutton,
widdow, the late wife of John Sutton, of Rehoboth, deceased” (PCR 5:116). She
was Sutton’s wife on 28 May 1669, when she relinquished her dower right to
land he deeded to Jonathan Fuller (Early Rehoboth 3:160). It is not at all
certain, however, that she was the mother of Sutton’s daughter Margaret. The
record of Julian Sutton’s nuncupative will (an oral declaration), dated 25 April
1678, mentions her “son-in-law” Sergeant John Fitch, “with whom shee had
sojourned about five years,” and also “the Rest of the Children” (unnamed)
(PCPR 3:2:110). But what is meant by _son-in-law_ in this instance? The term was
often used during this period to mean _stepson_. Was Fitch Julian’s stepson
from a previous marriage? Had he, on the other hand, married a daughter of
hers from a previous marriage or a stepdaughter from either her marriage to
Sutton or a previous one? Only if Fitch’s wife, Mary, had been both Julian’s
natural daughter and a Sutton by birth would Margaret—who was almost certainly
younger than Mary (the Fitch’s eldest daughter married in 1667)—have been
Julian’s daughter, as well (see RVR 1:179 [not 178]; TVR 2:184; BrCoPR 1:198,
211–12, 2:123–24, 171). Neither of these conditions has been established,
however. The name Julian, moreover, fails to appear among any of John Sutton’s
known or supposed daughters and granddaughters (Stevens–Miller 269–70; BrCoPR
2:123, 171). Presumably based on these facts, the distinguished genealogist
Mary Lovering Holman (without explanation) identifies Julian as John Sutton’s
second wife (Stevens–Miller 269).
It is sometimes said that Julian Sutton’s maiden name was Little, and that
she married John Sutton at Scituate, Massachusetts, in 1636 (see for example,
IGI; Ancestry.com). But John Sutton--with a wife and four children--did not
arrive in New England until 1638; the earliest recorded marriage at Scituate,
moreover, is dated in 1640 (NEHGR 15:26; MD 2:32). A Sutton marriage is
recorded at Scituate, but it was that of John2 Sutton (Margaret’s brother) and
Elizabeth House, in 1661 (SVR 2:283). No record is found of a Julian Little in
New England.
Gene Z.
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Jessie,
They only have 1982-1984.
Batchelor-Carpenter-Rice - "The Epistle". A monthly magazine. (6 copies)
Dick,
The SAR Library is probably my best bet at this time.
Thanks all!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Message: 1
John
I donated all of my copies to the SAR library in Louisville, KY
Perhaps some local resident can look up the reference for you
Dick Carpenter
Message: 4
Doing a Google search for "The Epistle" March 1980 + Carpenter I came
up with a lot of pages. Of the first 7 pages only one item was of any
value - It seems the "Richie County Historical Society has a copy, but
they don't say in what state they are located. You can check it out
at www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wvritchi/rchsbooks.txt
Jessie
Charlie,
Unfortunately, no one seems to have a complete collection. Just bits and
pieces and no March 1980 copy.
Eventually a copy will be found. "The Epistle", Vol. 6, Number 3, (March
1980)
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Carpenter" <nktown17(a)verizon.net>
To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] "The Epistle", Vol. 6, Number 3, (March 1980) -
Does anyone have a copy?
> John
>
> Try going into Google book search and entering "Epistle of the Carpenter
> Family". It brings up several pages of books,etc.
>
> Charlie C
Doing a Google search for "The Epistle" March 1980 + Carpenter I came
up with a lot of pages. Of the first 7 pages only one item was of any
value - It seems the "Richie County Historical Society has a copy, but
they don't say in what state they are located. You can check it out
at www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wvritchi/rchsbooks.txt
Jessie
John
I donated all of my copies to the SAR library in Louisville, KY
Perhaps some local resident can look up the reference for you
Dick Carpenter
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From: <carpenter-request(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:01 AM
To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: CARPENTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 128
>
>
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> 1. Re: "The Epistle", Vol. 6, Number 3, (March 1980) - Does
> anyone have a copy? (John R. Carpenter)
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> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:18:12 -0800
> From: "John R. Carpenter" <johnrcarpenter(a)cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] "The Epistle", Vol. 6, Number 3, (March 1980)
> - Does anyone have a copy?
> To: "Carpenter Roots web" <CARPENTER(a)rootsweb.com>
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> Hello,
>
> I am looking for an article on a John Carpenter and Ruth Inman. I have the
> reference as being in "The Epistle."
>
> "The Epistle", March 1980 issue (vol. 6, no. 3). This was a Carpenter
> Family newsletter type publication.
>
> Can anyone help me?
>
> John R. Carpenter
> La Mesa, CA
> (619) 466-5910 fax
>
> PS I am happy with a scanned copy, fax or hardcopy.
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Hello,
I am looking for an article on a John Carpenter and Ruth Inman. I have the reference as being in "The Epistle."
"The Epistle", March 1980 issue (vol. 6, no. 3). This was a Carpenter Family newsletter type publication.
Can anyone help me?
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
(619) 466-5910 fax
PS I am happy with a scanned copy, fax or hardcopy.
Happy Holidays to all!
Remember that even $5 or more will help!
Here is the Fred Carpenter donation report.
Nancy - donation for Fred Carpenter....$5
John - donation for Fred Carpenter....$25
12/01/08 - Total available....$30.00
I have heard that about $25 is being donated by check but that will not show
for over a week.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Fred Carpenter Fund - a direct descendant of Amos B. Carpenter
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Happy Holidays to all!
Remember that even $5 or more will help!
Here is the Fred Carpenter donation report.
Nancy - donation for Fred Carpenter....$5
John - donation for Fred Carpenter....$25
12/01/08 - Total available....$30.00
I have heard that about $25 is being donated by check but that will not show for over a week.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Fred Carpenter Fund - a direct descendant of Amos B. Carpenter
Donations can be made either on line (by credit card or PayPal) or by mail.
It is important to specify the "Carpenter Cousins" project in the appropriate
place on the form, so that the donation is properly credited. In the on-line
form, this place is a box labeled "Item" near the top. Write in that the
donation is for "Carpenter Cousins - for Fred Carpenter.
_http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html_
(http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html)
You can even mail a check. Make it out to "FTDNA" with a reference that the
money is for the "Carpenter Cousins General Fund." Send to:
Family Tree DNA - Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd.
1445 North Loop West, Suite 820
Houston, Texas 77008, USA
Attn: Julie - for Carpenter Cousins General Fund
Can we get that original Carpenter Memorial book for the SAR library? Yes,
we can by donating a few dollars toward the 25 marker Y-DNA test.
Can you help out with a few dollars? $5.00, $10.00, $15.00 or even $25.00?
John L. Carpenter
Walpole, NH
NEW CARPENTER WEBPAGES -- CEC 2008 (Update)
On 5/14/08, I announced on this list that "[a]s part of his _Carpenters'
Encyclopedia of Carpenters 2008 Update_ (CEC 2008), compiler John R. Carpenter
has made available online new Webpages that will be of great interest to those
researching the Carpenters of Rehoboth, Massachusetts, and/or Providence,
Rhode Island."
At that time, the featured items were sketches of William1 Carpenter of
Shalbourne, Wiltshire (_Bevis_, 1638); his son, William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth;
each of William2's seven surviving children (with complete vital-events data
for all _their_ respective children); and William2's daughter Hannah3's
husband, Joseph2 Carpenter, son of William1 of Providence. Sketches of William1
Carpenter of Providence and his father, Richard Carpenter of Amesbury,
Wiltshire, were then said to be forthcoming.
This is to announce that the promised sketches--of William1 of Providence
(with vital-events data for all his children) and of Richard of Amesbury (ditto
for his two known children)--are now available online. Access to the
Webpages on which the various sketches appear is at
<http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/carplink.htm>.
As with the Rehoboth Carpenter series, the newly added sketches are heavily
researched, filled with new information and corrections to the secondary
literature, and loaded with source citations. The William1 of Providence
sketch, for example, contains extensive evidence (some of it not previously
published) that William arrived in New England as a single man and did not marry
until about 1637, at Providence--not (as widely believed) by 1635, in England.
It also presents new findings that strongly suggest that the man recorded as
"Thomas" Carpenter of Amesbury, carpenter, on the passenger list of the
_James_ (arrived Boston, 3 June 1635) was actually the eventual William1 of
Providence. The information about his children both extends and revises what has
heretofore been published about them.
Visitors are encouraged to check back periodically for updates of individual
sketches and of the Webpage (http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/carplink.htm)
to which they are linked. A modified sketch's revision date is in the byline
block, beneath the title of the sketch; the "carplink" page's revision date
is on the third line of the header. Those revisiting a sketch after an
interval of up to a few weeks should click on their respective browsers' Refresh
button to be certain that they are viewing the current version, rather than an
obsolete, cached one. AOL users should also depress the Ctrl key when
clicking on the Refresh button. These instructions also apply to the "carplink"
page.
Please share this announcement with others and, if you have a Website, add a
link targeting the aforementioned Webpage. Thank you.
Gene Z. (Eugene Cole Zubrinsky)
Ojai, Calif.
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Information
This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.