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Hi Gail, I am a Carpenter researcher also, I was wondering who is the
earliest Carpenter you have, I am trying to track one of the Rehoboth
Carpenters and his journey to Ky, He was suppose to have been born in Mass
and some how he made his way to Ky in 1793, Through DNA testing he is
connected too the Rehoboth branch. So back to my question of the earliest
Carpenter you have , Thanks for any information.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darkwing" <darkwing(a)shaw.ca>
To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Brick wall - Henry B. Carpenter
> Hello,
>
> Thank you for your response.
>
> Up until this past week I was working on the thought that my Henry B.
> Carpenter had served for the state of Wisconsin. I had a major
> breakthrough on him earlier this week in the most
> round a bout way and have now discovered that he served for the state of
> New York and I have documentation for that.
>
> I got the Homestead papers for a Henry B. Carpenter who had a homestead in
> Arkansas. My Henry B . and his wife Ann had their last child in Arkansas
> so I thought it might be a good
> lead. The papers showed no connection between Henry and Ann but they did
> have a lot of military information in them. One of the affidavits
> originally made me think that the papers
> were not for the right Henry as it stated that he was a Sergeant but
> reading through all of the military information I found no record of him
> being anything other than a Private. The
> next step for me was to have someone check on the sale of the property. I
> was so fortunate that I found a fellow through the History Society and he
> got the sale papers and there was
> my Henry and his wife Ann S.'s names together on the paperwork so now I
> knew I finally had the CORRECT Henry B. Carpenter. I read through every
> bit of the military information and
> all of the affidavits and discovered that Henry swore that there had been
> an error on his Veterans Certificate and it read that he was in Company F
> and should have read that he was in
> Company H and it also said that his discharge date was in 1866 and it
> should have read 1865. I now know the correct unit and I have already
> ordered the military records and the
> pension records from the National Archives. I enclosed a copy of the
> affidavit and I also typed out the bit about the errors so that it was
> readable. I hope that they read it and
> know what to do with that information. I strongly suspect that I will get
> the information for Company F even though I wrote in Company H on the
> order form but that remains to be seen.
>
> I wrote to the address about the picture and they sent me a photo copy and
> all of the information I needed to order the actual photo. The
> information that they have given on the side
> of the photo copy shows it to be the correct Henry B. Carpenter according
> to the information about the errors that he himself gave.
>
> Henry's affidavit also showed that he served in the 21st New York, did his
> time and then re enlisted in the 26th New York so both of those entries
> were for the same man. He served
> from 1861 till 1865.
>
> Henry B. has been a brick wall for me for some time but I am sure that it
> is falling down now. I am counting on the pension papers and the military
> papers to give me the next bit of
> information I need to go on with this line. Now that I know that I am on
> the right track it should get easier.
>
> I have been doing genealogy research for about 40 years now and the
> Carpenter line has been most difficult. It took me nearly 35 years to
> break down the brick wall around the very
> first member of the Carpenter line that I started to research so it
> doesn't really surprise me that Henry has been so difficult.
>
> Thank you so much for the help you have given me re the picture. I would
> not have known a thing about it had you not told me. I do have a picture
> of his wife and their son so this
> will be fantastic to have one of him as well.
>
> Regards
> Gail
> Sidney by the Sea
> B.C. Canada
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CARPENTER-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
Hi Gerald,
If Henry B. Carpenter turns out to have the connections that I believe (at this point) are his, then the earliest I will have is Abner Carpenter born 1787. Abner married some
time between 1805 and 1811 to Hannah Hawes in Vermont. This line is Vermont to New York, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Arkansas and Minnesota.
Gail
gerald wrote:
> Hi Gail, I am a Carpenter researcher also, I was wondering who is the
> earliest Carpenter you have, I am trying to track one of the Rehoboth
> Carpenters and his journey to Ky, He was suppose to have been born in Mass
> and some how he made his way to Ky in 1793, Through DNA testing he is
> connected too the Rehoboth branch. So back to my question of the earliest
> Carpenter you have , Thanks for any information.
>
> Jerry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darkwing" <darkwing(a)shaw.ca>
> To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Brick wall - Henry B. Carpenter
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thank you for your response.
> >
> > Up until this past week I was working on the thought that my Henry B.
> > Carpenter had served for the state of Wisconsin. I had a major
> > breakthrough on him earlier this week in the most
> > round a bout way and have now discovered that he served for the state of
> > New York and I have documentation for that.
> >
> > I got the Homestead papers for a Henry B. Carpenter who had a homestead in
> > Arkansas. My Henry B . and his wife Ann had their last child in Arkansas
> > so I thought it might be a good
> > lead. The papers showed no connection between Henry and Ann but they did
> > have a lot of military information in them. One of the affidavits
> > originally made me think that the papers
> > were not for the right Henry as it stated that he was a Sergeant but
> > reading through all of the military information I found no record of him
> > being anything other than a Private. The
> > next step for me was to have someone check on the sale of the property. I
> > was so fortunate that I found a fellow through the History Society and he
> > got the sale papers and there was
> > my Henry and his wife Ann S.'s names together on the paperwork so now I
> > knew I finally had the CORRECT Henry B. Carpenter. I read through every
> > bit of the military information and
> > all of the affidavits and discovered that Henry swore that there had been
> > an error on his Veterans Certificate and it read that he was in Company F
> > and should have read that he was in
> > Company H and it also said that his discharge date was in 1866 and it
> > should have read 1865. I now know the correct unit and I have already
> > ordered the military records and the
> > pension records from the National Archives. I enclosed a copy of the
> > affidavit and I also typed out the bit about the errors so that it was
> > readable. I hope that they read it and
> > know what to do with that information. I strongly suspect that I will get
> > the information for Company F even though I wrote in Company H on the
> > order form but that remains to be seen.
> >
> > I wrote to the address about the picture and they sent me a photo copy and
> > all of the information I needed to order the actual photo. The
> > information that they have given on the side
> > of the photo copy shows it to be the correct Henry B. Carpenter according
> > to the information about the errors that he himself gave.
> >
> > Henry's affidavit also showed that he served in the 21st New York, did his
> > time and then re enlisted in the 26th New York so both of those entries
> > were for the same man. He served
> > from 1861 till 1865.
> >
> > Henry B. has been a brick wall for me for some time but I am sure that it
> > is falling down now. I am counting on the pension papers and the military
> > papers to give me the next bit of
> > information I need to go on with this line. Now that I know that I am on
> > the right track it should get easier.
> >
> > I have been doing genealogy research for about 40 years now and the
> > Carpenter line has been most difficult. It took me nearly 35 years to
> > break down the brick wall around the very
> > first member of the Carpenter line that I started to research so it
> > doesn't really surprise me that Henry has been so difficult.
> >
> > Thank you so much for the help you have given me re the picture. I would
> > not have known a thing about it had you not told me. I do have a picture
> > of his wife and their son so this
> > will be fantastic to have one of him as well.
> >
> > Regards
> > Gail
> > Sidney by the Sea
> > B.C. Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > CARPENTER-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> >
>
>
> -------------------------------
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Hello,
Thank you for your response.
Up until this past week I was working on the thought that my Henry B. Carpenter had served for the state of Wisconsin. I had a major breakthrough on him earlier this week in the most
round a bout way and have now discovered that he served for the state of New York and I have documentation for that.
I got the Homestead papers for a Henry B. Carpenter who had a homestead in Arkansas. My Henry B . and his wife Ann had their last child in Arkansas so I thought it might be a good
lead. The papers showed no connection between Henry and Ann but they did have a lot of military information in them. One of the affidavits originally made me think that the papers
were not for the right Henry as it stated that he was a Sergeant but reading through all of the military information I found no record of him being anything other than a Private. The
next step for me was to have someone check on the sale of the property. I was so fortunate that I found a fellow through the History Society and he got the sale papers and there was
my Henry and his wife Ann S.'s names together on the paperwork so now I knew I finally had the CORRECT Henry B. Carpenter. I read through every bit of the military information and
all of the affidavits and discovered that Henry swore that there had been an error on his Veterans Certificate and it read that he was in Company F and should have read that he was in
Company H and it also said that his discharge date was in 1866 and it should have read 1865. I now know the correct unit and I have already ordered the military records and the
pension records from the National Archives. I enclosed a copy of the affidavit and I also typed out the bit about the errors so that it was readable. I hope that they read it and
know what to do with that information. I strongly suspect that I will get the information for Company F even though I wrote in Company H on the order form but that remains to be seen.
I wrote to the address about the picture and they sent me a photo copy and all of the information I needed to order the actual photo. The information that they have given on the side
of the photo copy shows it to be the correct Henry B. Carpenter according to the information about the errors that he himself gave.
Henry's affidavit also showed that he served in the 21st New York, did his time and then re enlisted in the 26th New York so both of those entries were for the same man. He served
from 1861 till 1865.
Henry B. has been a brick wall for me for some time but I am sure that it is falling down now. I am counting on the pension papers and the military papers to give me the next bit of
information I need to go on with this line. Now that I know that I am on the right track it should get easier.
I have been doing genealogy research for about 40 years now and the Carpenter line has been most difficult. It took me nearly 35 years to break down the brick wall around the very
first member of the Carpenter line that I started to research so it doesn't really surprise me that Henry has been so difficult.
Thank you so much for the help you have given me re the picture. I would not have known a thing about it had you not told me. I do have a picture of his wife and their son so this
will be fantastic to have one of him as well.
Regards
Gail
Sidney by the Sea
B.C. Canada
Hi Pat,
I have contacted the address you gave to me and they have responded. I have ordered the picture and just wanted to thank you and ask a question please.
There were at least five Henry B. Carpenters listed as from New York and in the Civil War. Do you know for sure that it was my Henry B. for whom there was no pension records? I
have sent in the request forms to the National Archives and asked for both the pension and military records. I will let you know what they say as there was an error in my Henry
B.'s final card and he was listed as with the wrong company. There could be records under the proper company letter.
Thank you once again for you help, it is very much appreciated.
Gail
Pat Lowery wrote:
> It seems that it was one and the same Henry Carpenter who was in each of
> the military units described in your message. There's a picture of him
> available from the U.S. Army Military History Institute, Carlisle,
> Pennsylvania. Here's what the title to the picture says:
>
> Folder: RG98S-CWP 193.17 Title: Seated bust portrait of Pvt. Henry
> Carpenter, Co. G, 26th Regt., NYS Vol. Inf. & Co. H, 21st Regt., NYS
> Vol. Cav. He is pictured in uniform with kepi and holding a small pistol.
>
> The picture is not online, but here's a link to the page from which you
> can order that picture online (I hope this link works):
>
> http://ahecwebdds.carlisle.army.mil/awapps/main.jsp?flag=browse&smd=1&awd...
>
> Pat
>
> PS: I'm aware from a previous message that there is no pension file for
> Henry B. Carpenter. But quite probably his service records are
> available from the National Archives. I don't know if there's any way
> to find out other than by visiting a regional branch of the Nat'l
> Archives, and there aren't many of those. They have microfilm indexes
> of volunteer Union soldiers who served in organizations from the various
> states (each state a separate microfilm). With the info from the index,
> the service record can then be ordered using a form available from the
> regional branch. Be aware, however, that these service records are not
> of great genealogical value; they mostly contain muster rolls indicating
> when and where the soldier was mustered-in, mustered-out, and instances
> in between. If he were sick or injured, a hospital stay would likely be
> noted.
>
> Jessie Deith wrote:
> > In the National Park Service, there are 4 Henry B, Carpenters who
> > served on the union side during the Civil War. One died shortly after
> > enlisting - so he is out. One was promoted so no longer was a private -
> > so he is out. That leaves 2 and they are both from New York. First was
> > in the 26 N.Y. Infantry Company G; the other 21 N.Y. Cavalry company H
> > and company F. Would these be the ones for which you ordered papers?
> > Jessie
> >
> >
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> >
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Terry, Thanks so much for correct information and sources. I knew better
since I have been misled before, but in my zeal slipped again -- I thought I
had corrected my Carpenter files, but obviously I hadn't. I do wonder now
if Benjamin is a brother of John, and not a son of John, or if Benjamin and
Joseph are the same guy. I have rechecked my Carpenter sources and taken
info out of my data which is not confirmed. Thank you again for calling
this to my attention. I also spent time looking for marriages in New York
and Virginia today and found nothing to confirm any of the marriage
information I obviously copied long ago from someone's family files. Again,
I should have known better and I appreciate your calling me on this
information. Sandy Jarrett
MARCH 27, 1754.
(181) Benj. Scot, security for Judith Scot, Admx. of John Scot, decd., who
has since married Joseph Carpenter, prays counter security.
19 aug 1762
James and Joseph Scot, orphans of John, chose David Scot their guardian.
15 nov 1763
Robt. Scott, 3 tithables, and 820 acres, added to tithables.
20 mar 1764 - Jacob Scott, aged 16, orphan of John Scott, chose John Davis
his guardian.
21 nov 1764 - Augusta Chronicles
Joseph Carpenter, guardian of Joseph, James and Jacob Scott, orphans of John
Scott, summoned to account.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Carpenter" <diluvius(a)yahoo.com>
To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Joseph m. DAME & SCOTT
> Chalkley's Chronicles does not state that
> Jeremiah Seeley married Hannah Carpenter in 1746.
> What it does state is "Jeremiah Seely married
> the daughter of Joseph Carpenter, lately of the
> Province of New York. Joseph, in 1746, and after
> above marriage, moved to Jackson's River, where
> he and most of his children, then unmarried,
> settled. Jeremiah came in 1748" -- this is on
> page 339 of Chalkley's Chronicles, which can be
> read at
> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/volume_1/judge335.htm#page%20338>.
>
> There is disagreement in the original documents
> as to the names of the sons of John Scott. On 29
> Nov 1751, Joseph Carpenter was appointed guardian
> of James, Benjamin, and John Scot, orphans of
> John Scot [Vol. III, p. 24(405)], but on 21 Nov
> 1764 Joseph Carpenter was cited as guardian of
> Joseph, James, and Jacob Scott, orphans of John
> Scott [Vol. I, p. 116(162)]. The only one cited
> in both is James Scot(t).
>
> Terry Carpenter
>
>
> --- Sandy Jarrett <sjarrett(a)comsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Oops! Forgot to add that Hannah Carpenter
>> married Jeremian Seeley in 1746 in
>> NY and the names of John Scott's orphans were
>> Benjamin, Jacob, and James. I
>> have found that Chalkley's Chronicles are a big
>> help with lots of my WV
>> relatives.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donna Cuzze" <dcuzze(a)earthlink.net>
>> To: "CARPENTER-L" <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:59 AM
>> Subject: [CARPENTER] Joseph m. DAME & SCOTT
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > I was just reading the Chalkley Chronicles
>> which has quite a few facts
>> > including :
>> >
>> > Joseph Carpenter of NY, widower, moved his
>> family to VA right after the
>> > marriage of his daughter to Jeremiah SEELEY
>> in 1746.
>> >
>> > Joseph Carpenter owned 782 acres on Jackson's
>> River.
>> >
>> > Judith SCOTT, widow of John Scott m. Joseph
>> CARPENTER by or before 1754.
>> >
>> > Joseph Carpenter came to court and gave acctg
>> of the orphans of John
>> > Scott.
>> >
>> > When reaching 16 yrs of age, the Scott
>> orphans chose John DAVIS and David
>> > SCOTT as guardians.
>> >
>> > Also mentioned are sons of Joseph: Thomas,
>> Solomon & Joseph Jr.
>> > Carpenter.
>> >
>> > Anyone interested can search the Chronicles
>> for free and without having to
>> > give anyone your email addy. Just go to:
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/volume_1/vindx.htm
>> >
>> > Donna Cuzze
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
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>
>
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Thanks Terry for helping us to keep the information contained in Chalkley's Chronicles noted as a rough sketch.
I am certainly glad that they did publish the Chronicles as I find it a wonderful "guide" to have online.
I think part of the confusion over Judith SCOTT maybe because Jno & JUDITH "Davis" were admins over JUDITH "Scott"s husband's estate. Additionally, as you said, some of the entries may just be errors. The Chronicles show:
1. Judith, Widow of John Scott who married Joseph Carpenter.
29th November, 1751. ""Judith Scot's"" bond as administratrix of John Scot.
2. Judith, Wife of John DAVIS
Page 369.--21st November, 1764. Settlement of John Scott's estate, by ""Jno. Davis and Judith,"" his wife. administrators, recorded--Paid Joseph Carpenter, guardian to Joseph, James and Jacob Scott. Cash paid Ellis Hogles, Michael Hider, Aaron Ryley, Jonathan Arnold, Thomas Parsons.
Another connection to DAVIS :
23d November, 1771. William Davis vs. Joseph Scott.--Writ, "Scott is now in Carolina, but expected in. Captain Ewing is his uncle, where he resides when in Virginia."
Additionally, there were at least 2 John Scotts.
I notice the date typically used for Joseph Carpenter's marriage to Judith Scott, Nov 29, 1751, is the "exact" same date cited in the Chronicles as the date Judith gained bond as administratrix (above). So, either Judith celebrated a wedding on the same day she appeared in court to bond administratix, or someone just used this date to indicate her marriage date.
Even still, errors noted, I think the Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia is a good tool but will use it with caution.
Thanks,
Donna Cuzze
Phoebe,
You are a gem!
Thank You for all that you submit!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project
http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm
Wright Carpenter-22531
1. Wright Carpenter-22531 was born on 2 Mar 1749 in Red Springs, Musketa Cove, Queens, LI. He died in 1826 in New York City, , NY and was buried before 11 May 1826.
Number 119 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H.
Carpenter, 1901.
Family on page 126 & 127. At the close of the Revolution, he sold his property
at Marlborough and having entire confidence in the money of the times took for
his pay a sum of Continental money. Of course it proved worthless and he moved
to New York City with almost nothing. He and his wife and daughters started a
millinery establishment at 73 Chatham Street. This business proved very
successful and it was continued until his death. The daughters retired from
business in 1831. His will was proved May 11, 1826.
Wright Carpenter was a lieutenant in the New York Militia. He was a prisoner
of war from 16 Feb. to 4 July 1781. Per Hist. Reg. of Rev. Officers by F. B.
Heitman.
E-MAIL: Date: Sun, 30 Sept 2001 From: Phoebe Cortez - MzCortez(a)aol.com
Alphabetical List of Officers of the Continental Army - C - Fifteenth Virginia - page 145
Carpenter, Wright (N. Y.). Lieutenant New York Militia; was a prisoner of war, 16th February, to 4th July, 1781.
E-MAIL: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:11:21 EST
From: Mzzcortezz(a)aol.com
Subject: [CARPENTER] Lieut Wright Carpenter 1780
To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <c58.e5ff06c.331c73d9(a)aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Pen Packet of the Gen Advertiser 10/24/1780
FISHKILL Oct 19
Last week Lieut. Wright Carpenter and two others went down to Col James
DeLancey's quarters, and laid in wait for his appearance; he accordingly came,
and having tied his horse at the door, wett into the house; pon which which
Carpneter seized the horse ad mounted when DeLancey discovering him,
immediately alarmed his men, who pursued to Whit Plains but in vain. This hor is one
of the finest in America, he cost DeLlancey 200L. Carpentr was offered 150L
as soon as he broought him in. The cowboys had plundered Carpentr of all his
cattle some time before, When Mr. Carpenter went dow with a flag, and
complained of the cruelty of taking his cattle, and told DeLancey he would have
his horse by way of retailation;upon which DeLacey sneeringly replied, "you man
if you cat him."
Joyce,
I am way behind things. Please forgive my tardiness in replying.
I was able to identify the family for Eliphalet Carpenter-6366.
Many of the children ... Died of "Black throat distemper", a fearful scourge that carried death and
consternation to so many families in CT about June 1740.
"Black throat distemper" is the highly contagious diptheria. Every child in the USA is now required to have the diptheria vaccine. Spelling is correct for either diptheria or diphtheria.
I would be happy to look at and include the notes in the main data base.
Thanks for sharing!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
PS You are listed as Joyce Blackburn Carpenter-107916
Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:06:10 -0700
From: "Joyce Sharpley" <joycesharpley(a)comcast.net>
Subject: [CARPENTER] Carpenter Bible records to share
To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <001201c75e77$084cab70$020fa8c0@NEWMEXICO>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello list,
A friend of mine sent me records on Eliphalet Carpenter b. (it looks like
1753) who married Elizabeth Unknown b. 176? These notes were found at Salt
Lake City on microfilm, and were apparently from an old bible record in
Eliphalet's handwriting. I have scanned all 42 pages of these records and
will gladly send them to anyone who is interested. As far as I can make
out, there were 9 girls born and the 10th child was a male, Eliphalet Jr.
Then 5 of the children died in one week's time. So far, I am not seeing in
the notes where they live.
Joycesharpley(a)comcast.net
Oops! Forgot to add that Hannah Carpenter married Jeremian Seeley in 1746 in
NY and the names of John Scott's orphans were Benjamin, Jacob, and James. I
have found that Chalkley's Chronicles are a big help with lots of my WV
relatives.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna Cuzze" <dcuzze(a)earthlink.net>
To: "CARPENTER-L" <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:59 AM
Subject: [CARPENTER] Joseph m. DAME & SCOTT
> Hi,
> I was just reading the Chalkley Chronicles which has quite a few facts
> including :
>
> Joseph Carpenter of NY, widower, moved his family to VA right after the
> marriage of his daughter to Jeremiah SEELEY in 1746.
>
> Joseph Carpenter owned 782 acres on Jackson's River.
>
> Judith SCOTT, widow of John Scott m. Joseph CARPENTER by or before 1754.
>
> Joseph Carpenter came to court and gave acctg of the orphans of John
> Scott.
>
> When reaching 16 yrs of age, the Scott orphans chose John DAVIS and David
> SCOTT as guardians.
>
> Also mentioned are sons of Joseph: Thomas, Solomon & Joseph Jr.
> Carpenter.
>
> Anyone interested can search the Chronicles for free and without having to
> give anyone your email addy. Just go to:
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/volume_1/vindx.htm
>
> Donna Cuzze
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
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The date of Joseph's marriage to Mrs. Judith ? Scott was 29 NOV 1751 in
Augusta Co. according to Augusta Co, VA records.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna Cuzze" <dcuzze(a)earthlink.net>
To: "CARPENTER-L" <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:59 AM
Subject: [CARPENTER] Joseph m. DAME & SCOTT
> Hi,
> I was just reading the Chalkley Chronicles which has quite a few facts
> including :
>
> Joseph Carpenter of NY, widower, moved his family to VA right after the
> marriage of his daughter to Jeremiah SEELEY in 1746.
>
> Joseph Carpenter owned 782 acres on Jackson's River.
>
> Judith SCOTT, widow of John Scott m. Joseph CARPENTER by or before 1754.
>
> Joseph Carpenter came to court and gave acctg of the orphans of John
> Scott.
>
> When reaching 16 yrs of age, the Scott orphans chose John DAVIS and David
> SCOTT as guardians.
>
> Also mentioned are sons of Joseph: Thomas, Solomon & Joseph Jr.
> Carpenter.
>
> Anyone interested can search the Chronicles for free and without having to
> give anyone your email addy. Just go to:
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/volume_1/vindx.htm
>
> Donna Cuzze
>
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Chalkley's Chronicles does not state that
Jeremiah Seeley married Hannah Carpenter in 1746.
What it does state is "Jeremiah Seely married
the daughter of Joseph Carpenter, lately of the
Province of New York. Joseph, in 1746, and after
above marriage, moved to Jackson's River, where
he and most of his children, then unmarried,
settled. Jeremiah came in 1748" -- this is on
page 339 of Chalkley's Chronicles, which can be
read at
<http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/volume_1/judge335.htm#page%20338>.
There is disagreement in the original documents
as to the names of the sons of John Scott. On 29
Nov 1751, Joseph Carpenter was appointed guardian
of James, Benjamin, and John Scot, orphans of
John Scot [Vol. III, p. 24(405)], but on 21 Nov
1764 Joseph Carpenter was cited as guardian of
Joseph, James, and Jacob Scott, orphans of John
Scott [Vol. I, p. 116(162)]. The only one cited
in both is James Scot(t).
Terry Carpenter
--- Sandy Jarrett <sjarrett(a)comsouth.net> wrote:
> Oops! Forgot to add that Hannah Carpenter
> married Jeremian Seeley in 1746 in
> NY and the names of John Scott's orphans were
> Benjamin, Jacob, and James. I
> have found that Chalkley's Chronicles are a big
> help with lots of my WV
> relatives.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Cuzze" <dcuzze(a)earthlink.net>
> To: "CARPENTER-L" <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:59 AM
> Subject: [CARPENTER] Joseph m. DAME & SCOTT
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I was just reading the Chalkley Chronicles
> which has quite a few facts
> > including :
> >
> > Joseph Carpenter of NY, widower, moved his
> family to VA right after the
> > marriage of his daughter to Jeremiah SEELEY
> in 1746.
> >
> > Joseph Carpenter owned 782 acres on Jackson's
> River.
> >
> > Judith SCOTT, widow of John Scott m. Joseph
> CARPENTER by or before 1754.
> >
> > Joseph Carpenter came to court and gave acctg
> of the orphans of John
> > Scott.
> >
> > When reaching 16 yrs of age, the Scott
> orphans chose John DAVIS and David
> > SCOTT as guardians.
> >
> > Also mentioned are sons of Joseph: Thomas,
> Solomon & Joseph Jr.
> > Carpenter.
> >
> > Anyone interested can search the Chronicles
> for free and without having to
> > give anyone your email addy. Just go to:
> >
> >
>
http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/volume_1/vindx.htm
> >
> > Donna Cuzze
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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When using Lyman C. Chalkley's Chronicles of the
Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, it must be
pointed out that the Chronicles are not
absolutely reliable -- Daphne Gentry of the state
Library of Virginia best summarizes the problems
with using this work:
"Lyman Chalkley's three-volume Chronicles of the
Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia Extracted
from the Original Court Records of Augusta
County, 1745-1800 (Rosslyn, Va., 1912-1913;
reprint, 1965) is a popular reference work that
contains abstracts taken from the Augusta County
court records. Chalkley's Chronicles may serve as
a useful source for leads and to identify
original records to consult, but there are many
reasons to exercise caution when using it.
Before the publication of the Chronicles, the
National Society of the Daughters of the American
Revolution, which had been approached to become
the publisher, commissioned genealogist and
historian Thomas Forsythe Nelson to make an
analysis of the work. Nelson's detailed
evaluation, in which the Society as well as
Herbert Putnam, who was then the Librarian of
Congress, and historian J. Franklin Jameson all
concurred, was that the typescript of Chalkley's
abstracts that had been submitted should not be
published. Nelson found that the abstracts
contained an abundance of transcription errors,
erroneous dates, misspelled names, material
omissions, and other serious mistakes. He
concluded that the abstracts were "condensed to
the point of mutilation" and that many entries
misrepresented the contents of the original
documents. Nelson also pointed out that Chalkley
had abstracted only some of the records that
pertained to persons and families in which he was
interested. Publication of the abstracts could
easily lead to the erroneous conclusion that the
absence in the abstracts of information about a
person or a family meant that there was no
information on the person or family in the county
court's records. Nelson's whole report,
containing detailed comparisons between
Chalkley's abstracts and the original records,
was published as a substantial pamphlet under the
authority of the 21st Congress, National Society,
Daughters of the American Revolution (Washington,
D.C., 1912) with the title Report on the Chalkley
Manuscripts. Mary Smith Lockwood, an honorary
vice-president-general of the Society,
nevertheless proceeded on her own to have the
typescript of Chalkley's abstracts published in
the familiar three-volume edition. Many users
have no doubt concluded wrongly, as Nelson
predicted, that the absence of references in
Chalkley's Chronicles indicated a lack of data;
and many other users have certainly been mislead
by using Chalkley's faulty abstracts and not
consulting the original records. Chalkley's
Chronicles can be a valuable resource if it is
used as a first finding aid for citations but not
as a correct reproduction or representation of
the full rich entries in the county court's
original manuscript records. An online series on
Research in Virginia Documents. Prepared by
Daphne Gentry, Publications and Education
Services Division. Copyright by The Library of
Virginia; this note may be reproduced in full if
proper credit is given and no changes are made."
The above quote can be read at:
<http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/va5%5Fchalkleys.htm>.
Terry Carpenter
Hi,
I was just reading the Chalkley Chronicles which has quite a few facts including :
Joseph Carpenter of NY, widower, moved his family to VA right after the marriage of his daughter to Jeremiah SEELEY in 1746.
Joseph Carpenter owned 782 acres on Jackson's River.
Judith SCOTT, widow of John Scott m. Joseph CARPENTER by or before 1754.
Joseph Carpenter came to court and gave acctg of the orphans of John Scott.
When reaching 16 yrs of age, the Scott orphans chose John DAVIS and David SCOTT as guardians.
Also mentioned are sons of Joseph: Thomas, Solomon & Joseph Jr. Carpenter.
Anyone interested can search the Chronicles for free and without having to give anyone your email addy. Just go to:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/volume_1/vindx.htm
Donna Cuzze
A good point to remember is that NARA keeps records of the Federal
Government. Normally, it doesn't keep records of the state governments nor
records from counties, cities, towns, & other localities. There MIGHT BE
some exceptions, however.
Since the record here is from New York County, it probably would not be
found at the National Archives; but on a local level - in this case the New
York Municipal Archives.
I have a friend who works for Archives II, now at College Park, Maryland.
Years back when he [another ex-Long Islander] worked at the "downtown" main
National Archives, he said one of the most frequent requests for info they
did not have was for the records of the Colonial Era. Researchers thought
that records from say King Philip's War would be at the National Archives.
However, anything before the Continental Congress would be with the
colony/state involved. There was no Federal Government at the time of King
Philip's War. So records of it in this country would be held by state or
local archives in New England. That seemed to be a pretty constant
mis-conception that researchers had.
Naturalizations of foreign aliens were done on a state or county level
before WWI. So, you wouldn't normally be getting pre-WWI records of
naturalizations issued by state & local courts at the National Archives.
I guess the basic question is "Was this record created by the Federal
Government or one of its Agencies ?" If the answer is "yes," then try NARA.
If your answer "No, this record said Queens County Court of whatever," then
the chances are it would not be at NARA. I didn't know any of that before my
friend told me the basic concepts of what the National Archives would be
collecting and holding and what it would not be collecting and holding.
I hope this helps.
David
David Roberts
Hollywood, MD
[ex-Huntington, Suffolk Co.]
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To CARPENTERS???
I haven't been on the Carpenter site only a couple times since Chuck passed away.
I have found a couple old Carpenter families which may be connected to another Carpenter family.
One is I have a book on Bangor, NY, in which there is a picture and small article of a Isaac Carpenter & grandson. Isaac owned a successful Butter Factory, 1870 -1910!
The other family is a will made out in the estate of Demerette Carpenter "deceased" Franklin County to George H. Carpenter of West De Pere, Brown Co., Wis.. Dated July 17th 1905! There is also a Emma Carpenter Kingsley, Bangor, NY mentioned in the will.
If anyone has a possitive relation to either of these families, I may be able to get more info at the Franklin Co. courthouse.
In the near future I'll be entering my personal Carpenter genealogy of which Chuck had helped me greatly. Bless him.
Most of my 1800-1900 Carpenters lived mostly across the northern border of Conn.. My father was Kenneth,
G-Grandfather Samuel, GG-grandfather Howard Samuel"married to a Pease". Many from Wingham County, Conn., this is not to far from where Chucks's history was located. Much of my ancestry is on Rootsweb including my name and my father Kenneth!
My one missing link is Kenneth's father named Orlando Carpenter, born in 1873 & ""dis-appeared"'? after having 5 children around 1905? Orlando had one brothr named Albion who died in Florida. Orlando's wife Emma "Brown" Carpenter, my grandmother then left for her home town in Nova Scotia where she died at the young age of 42. Any help would be appreciated?
Thank You,
Preston Carpenter
Brushton, NY, 12916, North East of Plattsburg, NY near the Canadian border.
If you have had trouble finding your TN or VA ancestors, and suspect
they may be Indian or of mixed race, you may want to check this out.
This is a good resource, not only for tracing Melungeons, but also to see
which surnames were in which county.
It lists some Virginia "surnames by counties."
http://www.melungeon.org/index.cgi?cat=10064&BISKIT=839978564&CONTEXT=cat
DONNA
Hello list,
I would be interested in communicating with anyone who has a Carpenter/Smith
or Sturde/tevant connection.
My gggrandfather, Guy Carlton Carpenter b. 1830 in Potsdam, St. Lawrence,
NY, married Priscilla "Polly" Smith b. 1811 in Collins, Erie, NY, daughter
of Wheeler Branch Smith b. 1777 in CT, and Priscilla Sturdevant b. 1783 in
Kent, Litchfield, CT. The Smiths and Sturdevants are two of my brick walls.
I do have Priscilla Sturdevant's parent's names and that is all - Paul
Sturdevant b. ? possibly in CT, and Rhoda Lake b. 1764 in Kent, Litchfield,
CT. Paul was listed in Washington, Litchfield, CT Militia 1781, Gen.
Waterburys State Brigade.
I descend from the Rehobeth Carpenters as follows:
William
William
Nathaniel
Ezra
Greenwood
William
Clement
Guy Carlton
Charles
Arthur DeVere
Harry Murdock
Me - Joyce Carpenter Sharpley
Joycesharpley(a)comcast.net
Hi, I was able to get the site after re typing the address,I had left out
some letters,My Bad, I registered and I am looking forward to searching
their archives,Thank You for sharing the address with us.Have a great night.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: <Mzzcortezz(a)aol.com>
To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Sally Carpenter m Ezra Stewart 24 Feb 1839
> Sorry you couldn't bring up the website. Two letters are capitalized.
> There was no more information, but the website is real.
>
> Try cut and paste.
>
> PaperofRecord.com
>
> You didn't capitalize the P and the R.
>
> This is a free old newspaper website.
>
> Phoebe
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Sorry you couldn't bring up the website. Two letters are capitalized.
There was no more information, but the website is real.
Try cut and paste.
PaperofRecord.com
You didn't capitalize the P and the R.
This is a free old newspaper website.
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Phoebe,
I wonder (no proof) if Richard Carpenter Smith and John Carpenter Smith may be the brothers of Joshua Carpenter (!740-1811) "my husband's line." They are the children of Samuel Carpenter, died Nov. 1, 1752. When Samuel died his younger children became the wards of Joshua's brother Benjamin and of Wait Smith, JR. This Joshua was about 12 at the time. That would make his brothers, John Carpenter about 13 yrs of age and Richard Carpenter several years younger. According to what I have heard (from descendants of Joshua's children) they were well cared for by Wait Smith and used his last name as middle and first name for several generations. Many of Richard Carpenter's children, grandchildren, and even beyond, have used Smith as their children's first and middle name.
dawn
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Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: [CARPENTER] Richard Carpenter Smith 1782 Southwark
Southwark Meeting, December 10........Penn Packet published as General
Advertiser 4/20/1782
refers to a Richard Carpenter Smith................
1. hmmmmm I have several times run into a John Carpenter Smith of
Orange Co. NY.......during this time frame...does anyone know if Richard
Carpenter Smith is related to him ? John Carpenter Smith is also listed as plain old
John Carpenter, too
2. where is Southwark???
Phoebe
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This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.