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Donna,
Someone told me that the "Zimmerman" name was changed to Carpenter during
the Rev. War. They said it was changed when the Zimmermans took the Oath
of Allegiance.
I don't know who told me that, and it would be interesting to find out if
that is when the name was changed.
I wish everyone a "Merry Christmas."
Elsie White
Hello All and Merry Christmas,
I don't know if I connect to Zimmermans beyond my known ancestor, but I have often wondered where the PROOF came from showing that ZIMMERMANS changed their name to CARPENTER.
Well, I ran across this and thought maybe someone might need it. This shows the court naming Jacob Carpenter but he signs as JACOB ZIMMERMAN:
TRYON COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA MINUTES OF THE COURT OF PLEAS AND QUARTER SESSIONS 1769-1779
July term 1774
North Carolina, Tryon County. Jacob Costner, ""Jacob Carpenter,"" Michael Rudisel, Peter Aker, Jacob Haws, Adolph Reep & Peter Castner, bound to Josiah Martin, Governor, in the sum of £1000 sterling, 27 July 1774, for the performance of Jacob Costner in the office of Sheriff. Jacob Costner (Seal), ""Jacob Zimmerman (Seal),"" Michel Rudisel (Seal), Peter Aker (X) (Seal), Jacob Hass (Seal), Adolf Riel (Seal), Peter Costner (C) (Seal), Wit: John Dunn, Andw. Neel.
Donna Carpenter-Cuzze
The people at the SAR library in Louisville are extremely
helpful.....everything can be looked at, the pass is inexpensive.
-----Original Message-----
From: carpenter-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:carpenter-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Barbara de Mare
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:17 AM
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library
I think I asked if family members could have free access to it, but not
sure. I will ask again. I think the library is open to the public,
however. Meantime, I am not planning on leaving it anytime soon, even
though I had a birthday last week. I am always happy to share what I have,
however. I have some stuff on my blog about my carpenter descendants. If
you are interested in the Samuel Carpenter of Philadelphia line I can send
you a lot more--deeds, wills, ancestors of daughters-in-law, etc. My DAR
membership is through the Carpenters. I also have many pictures.
Barbara L. de Mare, Esq.
Historian, genealogist and attorney
155 Polifly Road
Hackensack, New Jersey 07601
(201) 567-9440 office
BarbaradeMare(a)yahoo.com (home)
http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/
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From: "Maproski(a)aol.com" <Maproski(a)aol.com>
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:48:41 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library
Barbara, Can we search on the Carpenter information you leave with them if
we are not members? Just wondering. John in KS
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Sorry, John L.! I apologize for crediting John R. for being the List Admin! You do a super job with the List and deserve the credit!
Signed,
A Red-faced Gray Carpenter Church
Miles,
Thank you for that info. I did NOT know that !
Donna
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:24:58 -0400
> From: "Miles L. Carpenter" <mlcarp(a)nb.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [CARPENTER] LDS family Center
> To: <CARPENTER-D(a)rootsweb.com>
> Message-ID: <0C9E22458D5F41178AB4E151395B0209@MilesCarpentPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The LDS Family Center does have a lot of information. One word of caution
> about the Center is that if you want to donate a written family document,
> you must give up all subsequent rights to them for it. I was planning to
> offer them a free copy of a small publication (70 pages) about my
> grandfather and that was when I discovered this fact. If I donated a copy
> of the book to them, I had to sign over ALL rights and was not willing to
> do
> so. I have donated other copies to local libraries, genealogy societies,
> etc. but never encountered this loss of copyright. There is most often a
> price for everything and sometimes not just in dollars.
>
>
>
> Miles Carpenter
The LDS Family Center does have a lot of information. One word of caution
about the Center is that if you want to donate a written family document,
you must give up all subsequent rights to them for it. I was planning to
offer them a free copy of a small publication (70 pages) about my
grandfather and that was when I discovered this fact. If I donated a copy
of the book to them, I had to sign over ALL rights and was not willing to do
so. I have donated other copies to local libraries, genealogy societies,
etc. but never encountered this loss of copyright. There is most often a
price for everything and sometimes not just in dollars.
Miles Carpenter
John,
You are correct about the LDS Family History Centers. I do volunteer
work there once a week, and it
is interesting for me. I am now working on Census Indexing, and it is
very challenging. It is hard to
decipher some of the early census taker's handwriting, and we can't make
corrections. We can only
put information down as it is on the early census records. One example
is when a child was listed as
a son, and then was listed Female. It takes a lot of stamina to work on
the files.
The Family History Center I work at is small and all our records are
accessible to everyone. It is
true that when microfilm is ordered there is a charge for shipping, but
we can't expect that to be free.
I plan on organizing all my genealogy files and will send them to the
LDS Family History Center where others
can find helpful information on my line.
Anyone that is interested in doing Census indexing can go up to
Familysearch.org, and click on indexing
to do some of that volunteer work. You register, put in a password, and
can begin right away on your own
computer at home.
Elsie White
Thanks for catching that Laurie. Though you may view "all items in their centers for free," there is a charge to order something that is "not there."
Donna
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I agree and use LDS, especially for town/state records that I live too far from to access, however unless you go to Utah and their main library, to view micro-filmed records you still need to pay to have them sent to your local LDS center (averages 3.50 per reel) so if you want to look at a number of items, the costs add up).
Yes, they are a GREAT resource and hold HUGE amounts of records, but "free" they're not.
Laurie
I agree and use LDS, especially for town/state records that I live too far
from to access, however unless you go to Utah and their main library, to view
micro-filmed records you still need to pay to have them sent to your local
LDS center (averages 3.50 per reel) so if you want to look at a number of
items, the costs add up).
Yes, they are a GREAT resource and hold HUGE amounts of records, but "free"
they're not.
Laurie
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I am donating all my files to the LDS Family Center. If you don't already
know, the Latter Day Saints (LDS) have research centers all over the US with
the main center in Utah. The church has been keeping genealogy files for
many, many years.
Their Family Centers offer FREE viewing of all census info, files
contributed, books, etc. on quality equipment. They will even help you find
what you need or order it for your viewing.
You can "search" or "upload/download files" from their website:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
They maintain them forever as far as I know (their belief involves
ancestry).
I am not a LDS member, but I use their facilities and usually leave a
donation. However, donation is not required and service is still with a
smile.
Donna Carpenter-Cuzze
If you are speaking about NEHG, yes its open to the public and you can get
pay a small fee for day pass to visit and view records if you haven't a
membership.
Laurie
In a message dated 12/11/2007 11:18:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
barbarademare(a)yahoo.com writes:
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To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:48:41 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library
Barbara, Can we search on the Carpenter information you leave with them if
we are not members? Just wondering. John in KS
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Barbara, Can we search on the Carpenter information you leave with them if
we are not members? Just wondering. John in KS
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I think I asked if family members could have free access to it, but not sure. I will ask again. I think the library is open to the public, however. Meantime, I am not planning on leaving it anytime soon, even though I had a birthday last week. I am always happy to share what I have, however. I have some stuff on my blog about my carpenter descendants. If you are interested in the Samuel Carpenter of Philadelphia line I can send you a lot more--deeds, wills, ancestors of daughters-in-law, etc. My DAR membership is through the Carpenters. I also have many pictures.
Barbara L. de Mare, Esq.
Historian, genealogist and attorney
155 Polifly Road
Hackensack, New Jersey 07601
(201) 567-9440 office
BarbaradeMare(a)yahoo.com (home)
http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/
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From: "Maproski(a)aol.com" <Maproski(a)aol.com>
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:48:41 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library
Barbara, Can we search on the Carpenter information you leave with them if
we are not members? Just wondering. John in KS
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Sue,
Which Carpenter line is in the Bible?
Barbara L. de Mare, Esq.
Historian, genealogist and attorney
155 Polifly Road
Hackensack, New Jersey 07601
(201) 567-9440 office
BarbaradeMare(a)yahoo.com (home)
http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message ----
From: John R. Carpenter <jrcrin001(a)cox.net>
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: Susan Austin <susanaustin(a)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:37:50 PM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Carpenter bible on your line--- Bible now with family!
Hello Folks,
Let me share the message sent to me because one person (Tim) shared that a Carpenter Bible was up for auction for the Carpenter Roots Web list.
Many of you share information on this list and others. AND IT HELPS OTHERS!
May God Bless you all for helping one another!
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Happy Carranza or Happy Holidays - what is appropriate for you.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Austin
To: John R. Carpenter
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: Carpenter bible on your line
Dear John,
I can't thank you enough for clueing me in on this. I got the Bible and will e-mail you with all the info. I can't wait to show my 2nd cousin, 87 years old, who has been working with me on our history for more than ten years! What joy to have this back in the family!
Susan
susanaustin(a)hotmail.com
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I will second the NEGHS motion as a good repository in which to leave stuff. hat's where I will leave all my stuff unless I am convinced a family member is really going to be interested.
Barbara
Barbara L. de Mare, Esq.
Historian, genealogist and attorney
155 Polifly Road
Hackensack, New Jersey 07601
(201) 567-9440 office
BarbaradeMare(a)yahoo.com (home)
http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/
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From: "LAURIE4756(a)aol.com" <LAURIE4756(a)aol.com>
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:25:14 PM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] The Carpenter Museum and SAR Library
Another option, and one I have utilized, is donating family information to
the New England Historical Genealogical Society. Not only is it a world
renowned repository and research library, it is primarily interested in New England
Genealogy, of which the Rehoboth Carpenters are obviously apart of.
The information is held (free of charge) in a file at the library and is
accessible by all. For those unfamiliar, check out their website @
_www.newenglandancestors.org_ (http://www.newenglandancestors.org)
I live 10 min. from the Carpenter Museum and sadly, its name does contribute
to its misconception. The land the museum is located on was donated by our
Rehoboth ancestors (hence the name)... but unfortunately their focus is not
the Carpenter's per se, it is as mentioned, early Rehoboth in general.
Laurie Carpenter
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This is probably in my Samuel Carpenter of Philiadelphia line. His heirs lived all over West Jersey, as it was then called. I will have to see what I have on a John when I get home tonight. Thanks fr the info.
Barbara
Barbara L. de Mare, Esq.
Historian, genealogist and attorney
155 Polifly Road
Hackensack, New Jersey 07601
(201) 567-9440 office
BarbaradeMare(a)yahoo.com (home)
http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message ----
From: John R. Carpenter <jrcrin001(a)cox.net>
To: Mzzcortezz(a)aol.com
Cc: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:08:07 PM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Gloucester C. NJ - John Carpenter mortgage
Thanks Phoebe!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: <Mzzcortezz(a)aol.com>
To: <carpenter(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: [CARPENTER] Gloucester C. NJ - John Carpenter mortgage
> Well, I ran across this the other day while "filing" stuff.
>
> Published The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey Sept 1998, Vol 73 Number
> 3
> Whole Number 255, pg. 103 from Gloucester County Records - Loan Office
> Mortgages 1776-1799, Joseph R. Klett.
>
> (133) JOHN CARPENTER of Deptford Twp, 50 (pounds) for 89 acres and 3
> roods
> (plantation and tract) in the same place bounded by Isaac INSKEEP, William
> CARSON/COUSON and Levi HOPPER (discharged December 1797 by Abel CLEMENT).
>
> I hope this is helpful to someone.
>
> And, a big, 'attaboy, John in Mesa, for all your coaching, help, and
> inspiration.
>
> Phoebe in CA
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Scratching my brain for other resources I thought of this -
I have resources, over time, to put the following biographies on-line
upon request.
Marshall W. Carpenter - Sherburne County, MN
from - http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mn/county/wilkin/bios/book.htm
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Daniel A. Carpenter - Chenango County, NY
from - http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychenan/1898bios.htm
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Austin B. Carpenter - Madison County, NY
George W. Carpenter - Madison County, NY
from - http://www.rootsweb.com/~nymadiso/1899hist.htm
there other Carpenter names are also mentioned in this book with
corresponding page numbers.
Carpenter, Calvin -- 225
Carpenter, D. -- 302
Carpenter, Elijah -- 112
Carpenter, Ezekiel -- 183, 224, 482
Carpenter, H. W. -- 297
Carpenter, Jesse -- 111, 112
Carpenter, Levi D. -- 189
Carpenter, Solomon -- 459
Carpenter, Wesley M., Dr. -- 386
If there are other bios from those same books that you'd like to see
on-line, please review the procedures to request such.
I also have other Carpenter material already here and there on-line.
Tim Stowell
A big Thank you from all of carpenter researchers to Fay and Jerry for
preserving our heritage
My your life be like toilet paper;long and useful
John L. Carpenter
PO Box 912
Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912
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Another option, and one I have utilized, is donating family information to
the New England Historical Genealogical Society. Not only is it a world
renowned repository and research library, it is primarily interested in New England
Genealogy, of which the Rehoboth Carpenters are obviously apart of.
The information is held (free of charge) in a file at the library and is
accessible by all. For those unfamiliar, check out their website @
_www.newenglandancestors.org_ (http://www.newenglandancestors.org)
I live 10 min. from the Carpenter Museum and sadly, its name does contribute
to its misconception. The land the museum is located on was donated by our
Rehoboth ancestors (hence the name)... but unfortunately their focus is not
the Carpenter's per se, it is as mentioned, early Rehoboth in general.
Laurie Carpenter
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Hello Again!
Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) the leader in genetic testing for surnames is offering the some discounts until the end of the month.
It's the Holiday season and Family Tree DNA is proud to offer our customers a discount on new Y-DNA 37, Y-DNA 25 and mtDNA Tests.
Group administrators may choose any of the three gift certificates below to apply to a new kit order.
Limit two of each certificate per Surname Project.
a.. $30 off a Y-DNA37 Test
b.. $15 off a Y-DNA25 Test
c.. $15 off a mtDNA Test
See the following web page for details:
http://www.familytreedna.com/giftcert2007.html
Let me know if you are interested!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project
http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm
PS While I would like to have Carpenters tested, If some one wants a female tested that is fine too!
Information
This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.