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Carpenter
Portsmouth town hall previous
I lernid in the toun that the 2. towers in the haven mouth were begon in
King Edward the 4. tyme, and sette forewarde yn building by Richard the 3.
Kyng Henry the vij. endyd them at the procuration of Fox Bisshop of
Winchester.
King Henry the vij. at his firste warres into Fraunce erectid in the south
part of the towne 3. great bruing houses with the implementes to serve his
shippes at such tyme as they shaul go to the se in tyme of warre.
One Carpenter a riche man made of late tyme in the mydle of the high streate
of the town a town house.
Minns:- The town hall, built by Carpeneri in the reign of Henry VIII., with
the market place under, stood in the middle of the High Street until 1830,
when it was pulled down.
The toun of Portesmouth is bare and litle occupied in time pece.
Correction to my reply to Fred Murphy (6/4/06):
<< From what I've been able to gather from online postings, the
administrators of Benajah's estate were John Carpenter (Stephen and Jane [Thurston]
Carpenter's son John, 10 years older than their son Benajah, was the latter's
youngest half-brother) . . . >>
John Carpenter was the son of Stephen Carpenter and his first wife, Martha
Hunt (Arnold, _Vital Record of Rehoboth_).
Gene Z.
In answer to Fred Murphy:
<< Am interested in Benajah Carpenter, born to Stephen Carpenter, Jr. and
Jane Thurston Carpenter on 30 October 1748 at Rumford, Rhode Island. >>
This Benajah Carpenter was born at Rehoboth, Mass., on 27 August 1748
(Arnold, _Vital Record of Rehoboth_); 30 October 1748 is his date of baptism
(Arnold, _Vital Record of Rhode Island_), which also occurred at Rehoboth (the
original Rehoboth settlement, site of its First Congregational [or Newman]
Church, became Rumford, East Providence, Rhode Island). That Benajah's baptismal
record shows him as the son of Stephen Carpenter _Jr._ should not be construed
as indicating that his paternal grandfather was necessarily also named
Stephen but only that Benajah's father was the second-oldest Stephen Carpenter
living in Rehoboth at the time. Online sources, probably repeating Amos B.
Carpenter (1898)--whose work is not reliable--show Stephen Carpenter's parents as
James and Grace (Palmer) Carpenter. Some of these say that Stephen is
mentioned in the will of his grandfather Jonah Palmer (whose second wife,
incidentally, was Abigail [Carpenter] Titus, dau. of William2 and Abigail [Briant]
Carpenter of Rehoboth [formerly of Shalbourne, England].)
<< . . . on August 17. 1771 he married Sarah Taylor in Providence.
Familytreemaker lists him as a captain and mariner who died at the battle of Long
Island 27 August 1776, but Providence deeds records from 1773 to 1775 describe
him as a chairmaker whose lathe and sundry tools were sold by administrators
8 July 1776 and whose real estate was sold 17 June 1778 at public auction.
In 1779 Sarah Carpenter married Thomas Smart at Providence. Can someone
reconcile these seemingly disparate sets of records? >>
There's nothing inherently contradictory here: The description of Benajah as
a captain is consistent with his having been a captain of artillery when he
was killed (coincidentally, on his birthday) (Arnold, _VR of RI_). His
description as a mariner could reflect a misinterpretation of his captain's title.
On the other hand, there are many examples during this period of men who
were occasionally identified in the records as mariners but whose primary
occupation was something else. He could therefore easily have been both a
chairmaker _and_ a mariner (perhaps a ship's carpenter). If, after consulting all
the primary and secondary sources pertaining to Benajah, you find that the
mariner label appears only in the secondary ones, you may properly conclude that
if he was a mariner at all, it was not his main occupation.
From what I've been able to gather from online postings, the administrators
of Benajah's estate were John Carpenter (Stephen and Jane [Thurston]
Carpenter's son John, 10 years older than their son Benajah, was the latter's
youngest half-brother) and Mrs. Sarah Carpenter (Benajah's widow). (Presumably 8
July 1776, the date on which you say his lathe and tools were sold by his
estate administrators, is a typo.) If administrator John Carpenter is named in
the deed of sale of the late Benajah's lathe and tools, it encourages the
conclusion that Stephen and Jane (Thurston) Carpenter's son Benajah was a
chairmaker. (The Providence record giving Capt. Benajah Carpenter's date and place
of death and the conditions surrounding it also indicates that he had a
daughter Jane [b. ca. 1773], presumably named after his mother, Jane [Thurston]
Carpenter [see Arnold, _VR of RI_].)
If any of the Providence deeds you mention, in which Benajah is described as
a chairmaker, involve him as a grantor (seller), check for wife Sarah's
signature or mention of her in the acknowledgement section (just below the
signature[s]). You may find either--as an indication of her having relinquished
her dower rights--even if she's not named in the body of the deed as a grantor
with her husband. This would provide additional circumstantial evidence (as
does Sarah's remarriage, to Thomas Smart in 1779) that she was the wife of
the Benajah Carpenter who died in 1776 AND was a chairmaker.
It seems fairly certain that Capt. Benajah and chairmaker Benajah were the
same man. And leading to the same conclusion is that only one Benajah
Carpenter is found in the respective birth, marriage, and death records of Rehoboth
and Providence until 1778, when a Benajah Carpenter, born at Rehoboth, was
presumably named after the recently deceased man.
Your other questions shouldn't be difficult to answer if you're willing to
do a little primary research.
Gene Z.
I wrote the following to Mr. Murphy, but had no real facts to convey.
BC
Mr. Murphy:
The Benajah Carpenter who perished in the Revolution in 1776 is certainly
not your woodworker. There is a serious mixup here. It may be possible
that Stephen Carpenter jr. had a son Benajah and he is your individual. In
the family history only one son for Stephen jr. is accounted for. Please
do not publish misinformation re. Benajah Carpenter d. 1776 as he was a
hero of the revolution and was known to George Washington. I am a close
relative of Benajah Carpenter d. 1776.
Bruce Carpenter
professor
Tezukayama University
Nara, Japan
Can someone please help Mr. Murphy who seems to have our family history
serious screwed up. I am here in Japan with no books and records. It may
be that Stephen jr. (Memorial 281) had a son Benajah unaccounted for and
this is Mr. Murphys woodworker.
Bruce Carpenter
Nara, Japan
According to Friday's (June 2) NEWSDAY, "As they run out of burial space,
centuries-old cemeteries on the East End (both the North and South Forks)
are
facing a land crunch because of soaring real estate prices and ongoing
efforts to
preserve farmland and open space."
The article includes a listing of cemeteries on the East End, and their
current status.
For the complete article, "Cemeteries running out of room", please go to
(you
may need to manually copy and paste the entire URL into your browser):
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-ligrav094765652jun...,
5259159.story?coll=ny-linews-print
I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting.
Regards,
Walter Greenspan
Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY
A more appropriate choice for family history would have
been Edmund Janes Carpenter's volume on Roger Williams.
References to connections of Roger Williams and William Carpenter
are best found in the Winthrop Papers.
Sincerely,
Bruce Carpenter
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jjwarden(a)aol.com>
To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:49 PM
Subject: [CARPENTER] Re: CARPENTER-D Digest V01 #104
> Carpenter Cousins,
>
> I just checked out "I, Roger Williams," by Mary Lee Settle, from the
library
> and sifted quickly through it, hoping to find extensive and laudable text
> about our forebears. Can't find it on first glance. I'm reading it now
> carefully and perhaps the point is to pick up appropriate historical
> background. Other reactions?
>
> Jenny
>
>
http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/moa-cgi?notisid=ABP2287-0040-58
Cornell has put some 1800s articles on the web. One is a jewel
by C.C. Carpenter,who is surely Charles Carroll Carpenter, the father
of George Rice Carpenter, the well known professor of English at Columbia.
Charles was an officer in the Civil War. In the article he narrates his own
eyewitness account of Lincoln's visit to the Petersburg battle area.
This is a family treasure.
BC
While it is still true that the precise genealogy
of William(s) is "anybody's guess", the sociological and demographic
evidence of an interconnected and historical Carpenter family of Wilts/Berks
is overwhelming.
BC
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