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Hi John,
Does the cd container anything regarding the English branch of Carpenters
from the greater Farnham, Surrey area or is it mainly for the U.S. Carpenters?
It sounds an interesting project.
Thanks.
Suzanne
Hello,
I have been asked several times when the next Carpenter CD will be coming out. I am looking at about April 2007.
The next CE CD will have an updated data file and some new material. I am not going to duplicate the previous two CD set. For what is in the CE CD 2001 see below.
I have had some requests for a reprint of the Carpenter Memorial and the Carpenter Family in America but I am undecided at this time. My copies have hand written notes and corrections from the back of the books in addition to other hand written notes.
My guess is the CE CD 2007 will be ready about April 2007.
I need to decide upon demand. The lesser demand, the higher the manufacture costs. I am not looking to make a profit on this.
If you are interested in the CE CD 2007 or want to add to it, please let me know.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
The CE CD 2001 has several books and articles on the Carpenter Family. Here is a sample of the books ...
1)THE ANCESTRY AND DESCENDANTS OF COL. SOLOMON CARPENTER OF GOSHEN, NEW YORK. 1974, 2)History & Genealogy of the CARPENTER FAMILY IN AMERICA By Daniel Hoogland Carpenter of Maplewood, N. J. 1901, 4) Samuel Carpenter and his Descendants - COMPILED BY EDWARD CARPENTER OF PHILADELPHIA AND HIS SON GENERAL LOUIS HENRY CARPENTER U. S. A. 1912, and 6) A GENEALOGICAL HISTORY OF THE REHOBOTH BRANCH OF THE CARPENTER FAMILY IN AMERICA.Also known as the CARPENTER MEMORIAL. Amos B. Carpenter, 1898 - 900 pages with handwritten corrections!
There are also articles on Carpenter Coats of Arms and Carpenter histories. There are also many pictures.
When I made back what I needed for costs (cost minus one dollar) for the CD manufacture, I donated the rest to the Carpenter Museum in Rehoboth, MA.
Now you can get a copy of the CE CD 2001 for a $15.00 donation from ...
Carpenter Museum
P. O. Box 2
Rehoboth, MA 02769
The Carpenter Museum is part of the Rehoboth Antiquarian Society.
Make checks out to the Rehoboth Antiquarian Society. Suggested Donation is $15.00.
Carpenter Museum Phone: 508-252-3031
Spam is a course of the internet. Rather than leaving spaces or other tatics with emails, another suggestion is to have a separate email (such as hotmail or yahoo) for general mail for mailing lists, etc., and save the primary email address for personal and private mail. This means the mail sent to the hotmal or yahoo won't clog up the primary mail box and is better controlled.
I have simply started getting my mail first at my webmail at comcast and checking and reporting all messages as spam before opeing my primary mailbox at Outlook Express for keeping whatever I wanted. This has cut down on my junk mail tremendously, but still mangage to get some, which is normal.
I don't take the time to change my email address in some manner as it's an inconvenience to those I want to contact me. Many people even print their @ as "at" in their email, which is about the same. The person who wants to respond then has to retype your email address.
Anti-spam programs do work, you just have to be patient.
Thanks for the reminder.
J
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John R Carpenter 2" <johnrcarpenter(a)cox.net>
> Hello,
>
> Because the crooks are getting more sophisticated, we need to be aware of
> Genealogy Scams and privacy issues. This is something I have stressed for years
> for those living.
>
> The following was posted on the ISOGG list.
>
> John R. Carpenter
> La Mesa, CA
> Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project
> http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm
>
>
> SPAM and Stating the obvious
> Posted by: "black_pigs_dyke"
> Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:55 pm (PST)
> I suppose Microsoft are merely stating the obvious this link is
> about Genealogy Scams and personal identity theft.
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/online/smartgenealogy.mspx
>
> Now most of it we will all probably be aware of. But one item I
> found useful, and not mentioned, is when displaying email addresses
> on a website. That is, if you have a website with your email
> present. Place a space before and after the "@" character in all
> email addresses on a website and it will cut down on the damn
> anarchistic spammers. Of course tell people this is what you have
> done. Avoid live "mailto:" links with contact details. These are
> targetted and scanned by these modern cyber vermin and you end up
> with truck loads of email selling you everything from enlarging your
> brain and other bits of your anatomy to the latest Nigerian Burst
> Oil pipe scam. And by the way, most anti-spam software is a scam in
> itself. You can block senders and key words in most email software
> far better than any anti-spam software.
>
> I hope I haven't strayed to far off "topic" but after receiving 250+
> emails which dodged and duped my expensive anti-spam software I have
> pretty much had enough.
>
> Austin Rock IHDP
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CARPENTER-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> the subject and the body of the message
Hello,
Because the crooks are getting more sophisticated, we need to be aware of Genealogy Scams and privacy issues. This is something I have stressed for years for those living.
The following was posted on the ISOGG list.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project
http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm
SPAM and Stating the obvious
Posted by: "black_pigs_dyke"
Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:55 pm (PST)
I suppose Microsoft are merely stating the obvious this link is
about Genealogy Scams and personal identity theft.
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/online/smartgenealogy.mspx
Now most of it we will all probably be aware of. But one item I
found useful, and not mentioned, is when displaying email addresses
on a website. That is, if you have a website with your email
present. Place a space before and after the "@" character in all
email addresses on a website and it will cut down on the damn
anarchistic spammers. Of course tell people this is what you have
done. Avoid live "mailto:" links with contact details. These are
targetted and scanned by these modern cyber vermin and you end up
with truck loads of email selling you everything from enlarging your
brain and other bits of your anatomy to the latest Nigerian Burst
Oil pipe scam. And by the way, most anti-spam software is a scam in
itself. You can block senders and key words in most email software
far better than any anti-spam software.
I hope I haven't strayed to far off "topic" but after receiving 250+
emails which dodged and duped my expensive anti-spam software I have
pretty much had enough.
Austin Rock IHDP
Hello everyone,
I would like to know what site has the latest update on the Rehobeth line of
Carpenters. I have the original CD and sent John my update, but when I was
going to put in Gene's corrections, I discovered I don't have all the
correct information in my tree, that is, when I go from Nathaniel b. 1667
and Mary Preston on back. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Joyce
joycesharpley(a)comcast.net
John R. Carpenter noticed a typo in the following statement from my posting
of 10/20/06, pertaining to Joseph5 Carpenter and his family (see below):
"Rather than declaring marriage intentions at Bristol, Mass. [R.I., 1747], on 16
February 1723 (see ABC, 73), he married there (Rev. John Usher presiding) on
16 February 1623/4, ABIGAIL NEWTON, sister of John Newton of Bristol." The
latter date's year, "1623/4," should be "1723/4."
Thanks, John.
Gene Z.
In a message dated 10/21/2006 12:14:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
carpenter-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:50:21 EDT
From: GeneZub(a)aol.com
Subject: [CARPENTER] More Corrections & Additions to Amos B. Carpenter
To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <bf.7369afa9.326ad6dd(a)aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
More corrections and additions to Amos B. Carpenter, _A Genealogical
History
of the Rehoboth Branch of the Carpenter Family in America_ (Amherst, Mass.,
1898), hereafter cited as ABC:
JOSEPH5 CARPENTER, son of Joseph4 (Joseph3, William2-1) and Mary (______)
Carpenter, was born at Swansea, Mass., on 20 June 1688 (Swansea VR, A:22; ABC,
58, 73). Rather than declaring marriage intentions at Bristol, Mass.
[R.I., 1747], on 16 February 1723 (see ABC, 73), he married there (Rev. John
Usher presiding) on 16 February 1623/4, ABIGAIL NEWTON, sister of John Newton
of Bristol (James N. Arnold, _Vital Record of Rhode Island, 1636-1850_, 21
vols. [Providence, 1891-1912], 6:1:13, 8:202; Estelle Wellwood Wait, "The
Papillons of Boston and Bristol," _The New England Historical and Genealogical
Register_ [NEHGR] 124[1970]:161-82, at 177). Joseph5 did not die in Surinam
on 4 February 1745 (see ABC, 73) but drowned with three others in passage
from Hog Island to Bristol on 21 December 1728, when their canoe "sunk under
them"
("Births, Deaths, Marriages, and One Divorce: Found in the Diary of Edward
Comer," _The Mayflower Quarterly_ 67[2001]:135-47, at 139). His widow,
Abigail--not his sister of that name, who died at Swansea, 1 February 1683 (not
1783)
(Swansea VR, A:137; see ABC, 74)--married, second, at Bristol on 29 (int.
16)
February 1735/6, Obadiah Papill(i)on (Arnold, _VR of R.I._, 6:1:13, 8:202).
Abigail Papillon, "widow, of Rehoboth," Mass., where she had moved between
1763 and 1769, was buried at Providence, R.I., on 16 February 1776 (Arnold,
_VR of R.I._, 10:152; NEHGR 124:179).
Children (two only [see ABC, 122]) of Joseph5 and Abigail (Newton)
Carpenter:
i. SARAH6 CARPENTER, b. Bristol, 3 Feb. 1724/5, d. probably
Bristol, 22 Feb. 174[/7]8 (Arnold, _VR of R.I._, 6:1:13, 121, 8:150, 224).
ii. JOSEPH CARPENTER, b. Bristol, __ Oct. 1726, d. Surinam (rec.
Bristol), 4 (not 24 [see ABC, 122]) Feb. 1745, aged 19 (Arnold, _VR of
R.I.,_
6:1:13, 121).
Gene Z.
Hello,
Because the crooks are getting more sophisticated, we need to be aware of Genealogy Scams and privacy issues. This is something I have stressed for years for those living.
The following was posted on the ISOGG list.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project
http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm
SPAM and Stating the obvious
Posted by: "black_pigs_dyke"
Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:55 pm (PST)
I suppose Microsoft are merely stating the obvious this link is
about Genealogy Scams and personal identity theft.
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/online/smartgenealogy.mspx
Now most of it we will all probably be aware of. But one item I
found useful, and not mentioned, is when displaying email addresses
on a website. That is, if you have a website with your email
present. Place a space before and after the "@" character in all
email addresses on a website and it will cut down on the damn
anarchistic spammers. Of course tell people this is what you have
done. Avoid live "mailto:" links with contact details. These are
targetted and scanned by these modern cyber vermin and you end up
with truck loads of email selling you everything from enlarging your
brain and other bits of your anatomy to the latest Nigerian Burst
Oil pipe scam. And by the way, most anti-spam software is a scam in
itself. You can block senders and key words in most email software
far better than any anti-spam software.
I hope I haven't strayed to far off "topic" but after receiving 250+
emails which dodged and duped my expensive anti-spam software I have
pretty much had enough.
Austin Rock IHDP
More corrections and additions to Amos B. Carpenter, _A Genealogical History
of the Rehoboth Branch of the Carpenter Family in America_ (Amherst, Mass.,
1898), hereafter cited as ABC:
JOSEPH5 CARPENTER, son of Joseph4 (Joseph3, William2-1) and Mary (______)
Carpenter, was born at Swansea, Mass., on 20 June 1688 (Swansea VR, A:22; ABC,
58, 73). Rather than declaring marriage intentions at Bristol, Mass. [R.I.,
1747], on 16 February 1723 (see ABC, 73), he married there (Rev. John Usher
presiding) on 16 February 1623/4, ABIGAIL NEWTON, sister of John Newton of
Bristol (James N. Arnold, _Vital Record of Rhode Island, 1636-1850_, 21 vols.
[Providence, 1891-1912], 6:1:13, 8:202; Estelle Wellwood Wait, "The Papillons
of Boston and Bristol," _The New England Historical and Genealogical Register_
[NEHGR] 124[1970]:161-82, at 177). Joseph5 did not die in Surinam on 4
February 1745 (see ABC, 73) but drowned with three others in passage from Hog
Island to Bristol on 21 December 1728, when their canoe "sunk under them"
("Births, Deaths, Marriages, and One Divorce: Found in the Diary of Edward Comer,"
_The Mayflower Quarterly_ 67[2001]:135-47, at 139). His widow, Abigail--not
his sister of that name, who died at Swansea, 1 February 1683 (not 1783)
(Swansea VR, A:137; see ABC, 74)--married, second, at Bristol on 29 (int. 16)
February 1735/6, Obadiah Papill(i)on (Arnold, _VR of R.I._, 6:1:13, 8:202).
Abigail Papillon, "widow, of Rehoboth," Mass., where she had moved between 1763
and 1769, was buried at Providence, R.I., on 16 February 1776 (Arnold, _VR of
R.I._, 10:152; NEHGR 124:179).
Children (two only [see ABC, 122]) of Joseph5 and Abigail (Newton)
Carpenter:
i. SARAH6 CARPENTER, b. Bristol, 3 Feb. 1724/5, d. probably
Bristol, 22 Feb. 174[/7]8 (Arnold, _VR of R.I._, 6:1:13, 121, 8:150, 224).
ii. JOSEPH CARPENTER, b. Bristol, __ Oct. 1726, d. Surinam (rec.
Bristol), 4 (not 24 [see ABC, 122]) Feb. 1745, aged 19 (Arnold, _VR of R.I.,_
6:1:13, 121).
Gene Z.
Sounds like alot of info there,,,,,,
Tks.
Barb
>From: Johnlsaywhat(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: carpenter(a)rootsweb.com
>To: CARPENTER-D(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [CARPENTER] Genealogy Bank was launched this morning.
>Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:41:47 EDT
>
>Hello, Folks....
>
>Genealogy Bank was launched this morning. The website is at:
>
>http://www.GenealogyBank.com
>
>You can search it for free and get a brief record. To get full records,
>you
>need
>to sign up. The site is heavy on content: newspapers; American State
>Papers;
>US
>Serial Set; enhanced SSDI; digital books, and more.
>
>-- 1,300+ historical newspapers, 1690-1977.
>
>-- 22 million+ obituaries from 1977 to the present.
>
>-- 17,000+ books, pamphlets, and printed items, 1652-1900.
>
>-- Complete *American** State** Papers*, 1789-1838.
>
>-- All of the genealogical content in the US Serial Set, 1817-1930, with
>more
>than 81,000
>reports, lists, and documents.
>
>-- 78 million+ death records from the Social Security Death Index,
>starting
>in
>1937.
>
>There is a writeup of GenealogyBank at http://genealogyblog.com/ and
>http://dearmyrtle.blogspot.com/
>
>I am in no way connected with GenealogyBank, by the way.
>
>
>
>-------------------------------
>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
>CARPENTER-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello, Folks....
Genealogy Bank was launched this morning. The website is at:
http://www.GenealogyBank.com
You can search it for free and get a brief record. To get full records, you
need
to sign up. The site is heavy on content: newspapers; American State Papers;
US
Serial Set; enhanced SSDI; digital books, and more.
-- 1,300+ historical newspapers, 1690-1977.
-- 22 million+ obituaries from 1977 to the present.
-- 17,000+ books, pamphlets, and printed items, 1652-1900.
-- Complete *American** State** Papers*, 1789-1838.
-- All of the genealogical content in the US Serial Set, 1817-1930, with more
than 81,000
reports, lists, and documents.
-- 78 million+ death records from the Social Security Death Index, starting
in
1937.
There is a writeup of GenealogyBank at http://genealogyblog.com/ and
http://dearmyrtle.blogspot.com/
I am in no way connected with GenealogyBank, by the way.
The next meeting of the Italian Genealogy Group will be held at 10:30 am,
this Saturday, October 14th, at the Bethpage Public Library.
The speaker will be Joseph Gleason. The title of his talk is "ONCE UPON A
TIME IN AMERICA: THE PROTECTION OF CHILDREN AND THE ITALIAN-AMERICAN
COMMUNITY
IN NEW YORK"
He is Director of Educational, Archival and Administrative Services for the
New York Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children. His career has
involved him in juvenile supervision and counseling, law enforcement and
child
protection. He is a lecturer on the origins and history of child protection
and genealogy.
For directions or further information about the group, please visit our
website at _www.italiangen.org_ (http://www.italiangen.org/)
------------------------------
The Compton in Marden Robert Carpenter's will surely refers to Compton in
Enford
of Wiltshire. The principal local manor was referrred to as Compton Breamore
and later
Compton Coombe. Among those connected to the manor, from at least the late
1500s, was a Thomas Carpenter. Below are two Coombe manor documents:
"SP 46/25/fo 128 Memoranda that land in the manor of Combe, co. Wilts, was
sold without licence; signed by mark, Thomas CARTER and Thomas CARPENTER;
(Eliz I). "
"SP 46/57/fo 210 The Papers of John ASTWICK of Flamstead, co. Hertford,
1565 - 1613 (ff. 68-278): Edward PECOK to his kinsman, J. ASTWICKE: to speak
to Francis COMBES of Hempsted [Hemel Hempstead, Herts], George NEALE of
Hemings Ende, William PRESTON of Chilwicke and Thomas CARPENTER of
Hardingeb... "
The first documents sets the dating perameter as later than 1558 but earlier
than 1603. The Thomas
who held the Marden church land and the Thomas who had interests in the
Compton estate should be the same. This would date the the two Coombe manor
documents closer to the mid 1500s.
Remember that I had found the first Carpenter in Marden to be a Thomas
Carpenter in 1534, who held title to the church lands (Victoria History of
Wiltshire, vol.10, 121).
The Thomas Carpenter in the second Coombe manor document (seemingly damaged)
is described as "Thomas of
Hardingeb...." This should be Hardingebedwyn or Harding in Great Bedwin.
Great Bedwin as you recall
was the residence of a William Carpenter in 1613. The Hidden abstracts
lacked any documentation
for Carpenters in this area for the late 1500s.
Bruce Carpenter
Celebrate Archives Week, October 8-15, 2006, at the National Archives - New
York
City
The National Archives - Northeast Region welcomes you to participate in these
special events to celebrate your local community, your local history, and
your
local
National Archives.
Tuesday, October 10, 12:30 p.m.-1:30 p.m.
Lecture: Finding Family: Using Library and Local Government Records
Genealogy expert and retired archivist Art Sniffen will present on a myriad
of
local government resources, including local libraries, that you can use to
uncover
information about your family history. He will discuss minutes, tax rolls,
ear
marks, almshouses, and vital records from city, country, town, and village
governments.
National Archives staff will provide a behind-the-scenes tour of the research
and archival stack areas directly after the program.
Arthur Sniffen is a retired New York State Archives and Records
Administration
Regional Advisory Officer. He also served as university archivist for The
Rockefeller University, archivist at the Library of the State of New York at
Stony Brook, archivist at the National Archives and Records Administration,
and
field
archivist at Cornell University. He is founding chairman of the Genealogy
Workshop of the Huntington Historical Society, a past president and board
member
of the
Federation of Genealogical Societies, and a member of numerous organizations
including the Sons of the American Revolution, the Association of
Professional
Genealogists, the Genealogical Speakers Guild, and the Archives Committee of
the
Diocese of Rockville Centre program.
This lecture is free. However, space is limited so registration is required.
Thursday, October 12
Immigration Research Day
Lecture: Immigration Arrival Records Since 1892 (11:45 a.m.-1:00 p.m.)
Hands-On Consultation (8:30 a.m.-11:30 a.m., 1:30 p.m.-3:00 p.m.)
Join Marian L. Smith, Historian, US Citizenship and Immigration Services,
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give a lunchtime lecture featuring an in-depth overview of "Immigration
Arrival
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tour
of the research and archival stack areas directly after the program.
Marian L. Smith is the Senior Historian at US Citizenship and Immigration
Services, Department of Homeland Security (formerly the Immigration and
Naturalization
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records.
Her articles
appear in the National Archives journal Prologue, the FGS Forum, and other
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held in the National Archives in downtown Washington, DC.
This lecture is free. However, space is limited so registration is required.
Address :
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Registration:
For registration and information call us toll-free at: 866-840-1752 or
e-mail us
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Barbara wrote:
> Fast response from my cousin Ted. There are male line descendants
> from Dr. John T. Carpenter with whom he has been in touch. After a
> business trip which will have him out of town for the rest of the
> month, he will try to cobntact them
Excellent! Please note: if these descendants are close cousins of
each other, it would make most sense to choose one of them as the
representative testee for their branch, even if more than one seems
willing to participate. When I said earlier that it takes at least
two testees to draw conclusions, I left out the proviso that the
conclusions drawn would apply to the most recent common ancestor
of the testees. Thus, for example, if you test two brothers, and
they agree exactly, the most you can say is that their father would
also agree exactly if he were tested. If the two brothers disagree
by a little, then the father would presumably agree with one of the
two. Let's not get into a discussion of what would happen if the
two brothers were found to disagree by a lot! (Note: such a
disagreement could come about as a result of a clerical error in
reporting, but it would be a huge shock until it got straightened
out.)
John Chandler
Clerical error sounds like a good excuse! I wasn't born yesterday.
The first one he is going to try to get it Chapin Carpenter, the father of Mary Chapin Carpenter. I'm not quite sure what the descendency is from Dr. John Carpenter, but I will find out. Dr. John is the brother of my great-grandmother, so it gives you an idea of how far back we are discussing.
John Chandler <john.chandler(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: Barbara wrote:
> Fast response from my cousin Ted. There are male line descendants
> from Dr. John T. Carpenter with whom he has been in touch. After a
> business trip which will have him out of town for the rest of the
> month, he will try to cobntact them
Excellent! Please note: if these descendants are close cousins of
each other, it would make most sense to choose one of them as the
representative testee for their branch, even if more than one seems
willing to participate. When I said earlier that it takes at least
two testees to draw conclusions, I left out the proviso that the
conclusions drawn would apply to the most recent common ancestor
of the testees. Thus, for example, if you test two brothers, and
they agree exactly, the most you can say is that their father would
also agree exactly if he were tested. If the two brothers disagree
by a little, then the father would presumably agree with one of the
two. Let's not get into a discussion of what would happen if the
two brothers were found to disagree by a lot! (Note: such a
disagreement could come about as a result of a clerical error in
reporting, but it would be a huge shock until it got straightened
out.)
John Chandler
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I found and interesting note in the Victoria History of Reading which
greatly
sheds light on Thomas Carpenter, Mayor and Mercer of Reading.
King Henry VII granted the mayor of Reading a charter in 1485 to oversee all
the cloth production in Reading.
In 1486-7 the mayor began the "oversight of all workmen in cloth making."
In 1517-18 there was the Inclosure Act which chased people off the pasture
land to ensure
the availability of wool, a matter of great interest by the crown. The
History explains that there are Corporation archives with much information.
Thus Thomas Carpenter of Reading was not just one more clothier in Reading,
but at the very
top with crown support.
BC
Information
This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.