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<< In 1656 [William2 of Rehoboth] served as court committee member with
Stephen Payne. His last appointment was in 1645 when he was made freeman and
court committee member. >>
I don't have Plymouth Colony records at hand, but as I recall, they do not
explicitly name the deputies to the General Court for 1656 (and perhaps not
for 1645). But Rehoboth town meeting records make it clear that William2
Carpenter was a deputy to the General Court at Plymouth in 1645, and his listing
in colony records as a General Court committeeman in both aforementioned years
indicates that he was a deputy not only in 1645 but also in 1656. His
committee appointments were predicated upon his having been seated as a member of
(deputy to) the General Court (the colony's legislative body) in those years.
Gene
As previously promised I have the Plymouth Colony Records before me in their
1968 photo reproduction in six volumes. My wife's university library
(Doshisha University) had them.
There are a number of points in Amos Carpenter that are doubtful re. court
and administrative appointments. Looking through all the years of
appointments from 1633 one can see that they were rotational to a great
extent. Most people had their turn as constable for example. The fact that
William Carpenter performed these duties seems meaningless.
What is meaningful however is a court case that Amos Carpenter, or anyone
else, made any mention of. In 1649 William Carpenter had to pay a court bond
of ten pounds with Obadia Hullme (Holmes) and Joseph Tory (Vol. 2, p. 147)..
On pages 150-1 (vol. 2) and a year later in 1650, this matter is clarified.
Holmes and his associates had basically broken away from the Newman church
in Rehoboth and were conducting new Baptist meetings in the town. Holmes
later took Newman to court for slander with William Carpenter as his
witness. William won a modest settlement.
A good deal of information re. Holmes can be gleaned from the net. William
Carpenter of Rehoboth seems to have been a central figure in his activities
and the Baptist foundation in America。 From the time of these court actions
William of Rehoboth seems to have kept a small profile. In 1654 he became
constable and surveyor of highways. In 1656 he served as court committee
member with Stephen Payne. His last appointment was in 1645 when he was made
freeman and court committee member. In 1646 he was a member of the Grand
Enquest.
Bruce Carpenter
Nara, Japan
Hello Carpenters:
I recently stopped by Trinity Church in Manhattan (NYC; Broadway just off
Wall Street), and reviewed the list of burials, finding six
Carpenters. These Carpenters are all names I don't know at all (and I
don't find in ABC). Here they are, in case someone can make use of them:
1. George Carpenter, March 14, 1730 ae 65.
2. George Pratt Carpenter
3. Hallma, wife or Nemiagh Carpenter, Aug 10, 1755 ae 32. (Yes, that's
given as "Nemiagh")
4. Hannah, daughter of James and Eleanor Carpenter Nov 5, 1775, ae 3 yrs.
5. Harriet Carpenter, June 25, 1782, ae 52 years
6. John Carpenter, Nov 5, 1795, 18y, 10m, 21d.
Robin C.
I recently found in Amos B. Carpenter (hereafter ABC), _A Genealogical
History of the Rehoboth Branch of the Carpenter Family in America_ (1898), another
cluster of errors that have been uncritically accepted and repeated by
virtually everyone who has posted anything online about the family in question.
BENJAMIN4 CARPENTER (William3-1) was born at Rehoboth, Mass., 20 October
1663; he migrated to Northampton, Mass., where on 4 March 1691 he married HANNAH
STRONG, daughter of Jedediah and Freedom (Woodward) Strong (Rehoboth VR,
1:9; NEHGR 8[1854]:180, 182, and 23[1869]:294-95). Among the children born to
them at Northampton (in 1708 or 1709 they settled in Coventry, Conn.) was
JEDEDIAH5 CARPENTER, born 1 October 1697 (Susan Whitney Dimock, _Births,
Marriages, Baptisms and Deaths from the Records of the Town and Churches in Coventry,
Connecticut, 1711-1844_ [1897], 19). The first seven of their children
recorded at Coventry had been born at Northampton. They probably appear in
Northampton records as well, but I have not looked for them).
This much about Jedediah (birth place/date and parentage)--along with the
likelihood that he had among his children a son Daniel--ABC gets right (see
_Rehoboth Carpenter Family_, 65, 96-97). He also says, however, that this
Jedediah Carpenter married at Rehoboth, Mass., on 24 May 1725, Mary Brown, with
whom he had five children--Amy, Rebecca, Caleb, Patience, and Daniel--and that
he died at Rehoboth on 15 December 1731 (ibid.). ABC gives precise birth
dates between 1726 and 1732 for the first four children, estimates Daniel's
birth year as "about 1727," and says all were born at Rehoboth At the end of
his account of the children, ABC says that "[t]here is some doubt in the
compiler's mind in regard to the foregoing Daniel belonging to this family. He has
no authority at hand to verify the record, though the statement is probably
correct."
The "doubt in the compiler's mind" was well founded--not because Daniel
fails to fit with this family, but because the family (except for Daniel) fails
to fit with this Jedediah Carpenter. As above, all that is correct in what
ABC says about him is that he was born at Northampton, 1 October 1697, the son
of Benjamin and Hannah [Strong] Carpenter, and probably had a son Daniel.
The Jedediah Carpenter who married Mercy/Marcy/Mary Brown (of Barrington, Mass.
[now R.I.]); had children Amy, Rebecca, Caleb, and Patience; and died at
Rehoboth in 1731 is a different man. Jedediah Carpenter of Rehoboth never
lived anywhere else: he was born there on 15 December 1696, the son of Samuel and
Patience (Ide) Carpenter (see Rehoboth Vital Records, 1:48, 56, 2:65, 144,
241). ABC lists him among Samuel and Patience Carpenter's children but gives
no information about him except his birth date (see _Rehoboth Carpenter
Family_, 78).
The following children of Benjamin and Hannah (Strong) Carpenter's son
Jedediah were baptized in Bolton, Conn. (adjacent to Coventry): Joel, 10 Dec.
1727; Ruth, 4 Jan. 1730; Nathan, 2 April 1732; Samuel, 28 July 1734; Dorcas, 22
Feb. 1736; and Ezekiel, 25 June 1738; their mother's name is not given ("A
Copy of the Records of the Rev. Thomas White, the First Pastor of the Church in
Bolton, Conn.," NEHGR 52[1898]:180-85). Although Daniel is not on this list,
the Bolton church was not formed until October 1725, and Jedediah--aged 30
when son Joel (first on the above list) was baptized, in 1727--probably had
several older children. There is other, stronger circumstantial evidence that
this Jedediah had a son Daniel, but it goes beyond the scope of this posting.
Suffice it to say that the first child of Jedediah's probable son Daniel
was born to his wife Elizabeth ______ at Coventry in 1751 (see _Rehoboth
Carpenter Family_, 177; primary source probably Coventry VR). It is thus probable
that Daniel was older than all the children listed above and was born no
later than 1725. (ABC's estimate of Daniel's birth year ["about 1727"] is of
course based on Rehoboth Jedediah's dates of marriage and death and the birth
dates of his children--Amy, Rebecca, Caleb, and Patience. Since they were
born at regular, two-year intervals, squeezing Daniel in at "about 1727" was
the best ABC could do. But since these were not Daniel's siblings, we can
dismiss this estimate altogether.)
On 10 March 1777 Jedediah Carpenter sold 33 acres with a dwelling house at
Coventry; son Nathan (see above) was one of the witnesses (Coventry Deeds,
6:309). It was probably about this time that Jedediah moved to Stafford, Conn.,
where he died on 2 March 1781 (Barbour Collection, citing Stafford VR,
2:177); the otherwise unidentified "widow Carpenter" died there on 9 January 1784,
aged 84 (Stafford Church Records, 69).
The data and sources cited above are sufficient to validate the distinction
between Benjamin and Hannah (Strong) Carpenter's son Jedediah, on the one
hand, and Samuel and Patience (Ide) Carpenter's son Jedediah, on the other.
They do not, however, represent thorough research of land, probate, church,
cemetery, and other records of Coventry and vicinity or Stafford. Such research
(which I do not plan to undertake) will undoubtedly add precision and breadth
to the former Jedediah's biography and perhaps identify his wife and provide
direct, documentary evidence of more children (including Daniel) than the
six baptized at Bolton.
That Coventry/Stafford Jedediah and Rehoboth Jedediah were the same man was
unlikely on its face: What are the odds that a young man born in western
Massachusetts, who had moved with his family to central Connecticut, would
migrate northeastward, back to the town of his father's birth--the son had no
direct connection to Rehoboth and no inheritance there--when population pressures
and soil depletion were pushing people westward? But even if the online
repeaters of ABC's inaccuracies failed to see this scenario as deserving of
further investigation, one would have thought that at least a few might observe
standard principles of genealogical research and, as a matter of course, check
secondary-source data (particularly that from a nineteenth-century genealogy
such as ABC's) against primary sources; lamentably, none did. If anyone had
bothered, he or she would have found the whole thing to be a "no-brainer."
How many times does the lesson have to be repeated before it is learned?
There are no shortcuts to reliable genealogical data! (Sorry for the sermon,
but I just couldn't resist.)
Gene Z.
I just have studied this will and determined that it is not my line, but
perhaps someone else would like the copies I have of the actual will.
WILL OF DANIEL CARPENTER
To his beloved wife Hannah $1500, plus house, household goods, horse &
carriage
To his son James H. $1000 to be paid when he reaches 21. Hannah to be
guardian with expenses for his maintenance and education provided from
interest on the account. After debts are paid, the rest of his estate is to
be divided equally among his children: Daniel, Nancy Southerland, George,
Abdul B. and James H.
The executors are to be his sons Daniel and George. Signed by Daniel
Carpenter of Hopewell, Medina Co., OH July 13, 1833 and witnessed by John
Price and John Spangle of Hopewell.
A later addendum gives to his son James by deed, half of the farm situated
in Litchfield, Medina Co and specifies that the children of Nancy are to be
given her share upon her death. dated Feb. 1839
The will was filed for probate May 27, 1839 (FHL film 423849 v. B 1832-1842
p. 157-160.
The Estate disposition was made May 30, 1839 with an accounting of property
and money owned and owed. One mortgage was held from a William Kelly in
Greece, Monroe Co., NY perhaps the place from which they had come. (FHL film
423850 v. C 1839-1848 p. 379-381.)
A book at Seattle Public Library: Newspaper Abstracts Huron Co., Ohio
1822-1835 by Henry Timman, 1974
lists the marriage of Daniel Carpenter to Julia Washburn, Oct. 8, 1835. in
Fitchville. I assume this is the Daniel Jr. listed in the will.
Looking for a grandson of Albert James Carpenter and Kate Janette Pulliam.
I have discovered that a grandson of these two participated in the
BYU/Sorenson Molecular Genealogy project and matches the Carpenters
of Rhode Island. This person is obviously interested in genealogy, but
he left the space blank for his great-grandfather. I may be able to
help. Please get in touch.
John Chandler
I recently found some information on my ancestor, Harry Carpenter b
Stanstead, Quebec, Canada 12 April 1802, son of Comfort and Thankful
(Canfield) Carpenter. Harry's first marriage was to and Esther Wright.
They had 3 known children: Harriet Pamelia Carpenter, Thankful Emily
Carpenter and my ancestor, Amos Wright Carpenter b 6 March 1836, in the
United States and possibly Vermont; Harry was married a 2nd time, 25 Jan
1847 registered in Bedford District, Quebec to Angeline Barbeau, b ca 1826
in Quebec. Harry and Angeline had 5 children, 4 of them born in Quebec and
the youngest born in Clinton County, NY: Charles b ca 1852, Malvina b 1856,
William b 1858, Louisa b 1864, and Susan b 1866; I found the family
recorded in Peru, Clinton Co., NY in the 1870 census; in 1880, Angeline
was recorded in the same location as a widow;
William Carpenter + Abigail Briante
Samuel Carpenter + Sarah Redaway
Samuel Carpenter + Patience Ide
Timothy Carpenter + Experience Chaffee
Amos Carpenter + Mary "Polly" Gould
Comfort Carpenter + Thankful Canfield
Harry Carpenter + Esther Wright
Amos Wright Carpenter + Helen "Nellie" Yates (aka Eleanor)
Amos Frank Carpenter + Carrie Lee Churchill
Millie Frances Carpenter + Arthur Merrett Deverell
Briggs Marcia
mbriggs3(a)mindspring.com
http://home.mindspring.com/~mbriggs3http://home.mindspring.com/~phil1180
I'm still trying to get past my John Carpenter born About 1802 New York. I
can't figure out who his parents were nor can I find who his Wife was.
Thought I would post this here never know.
John Carpenter had 2 children both born on Fayette County Indiana.
Dennis Carpenter born - 20 Jul 1832
Jane Carpenter born - 1837
The last place I found John was in the 1870 census records in Jasper
County Iowa. Township of Independence.
Our Family has taken the yDNA tests and we had 2- 36/37 matches but we
just can't make any connections.
I have talked to John R. Carpenter and he had a couple good ideas. My John
Carpenter might have been taken in by possible another Carpenter family as
a child?
I'm Stuck!
Any help is greatly Appreciated.
Best Regards,
Jim Carpenter
Popped in LDS Family History Center, film No. 975565, had several Carpenters
mentioned on some early deeds. I did not have the index, so could have missed
some just jotted down the tiny bit of information that applied to each.
June 1, 1836 John and Elinore Parry (or Perry) and Jacob and Mary Brown,
Orion Township to POWELL CARPENTER of Wheatland, Monroe Co., NY Wit: Jesse
Decker and Wm. Merchant.
(This could be of interest to me, as my elusive Moses Carpenter had a
grandaughter who married a Perry in NY.)
Pg. 137-138
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Afred Dauney(?) Orion, MI (not sure, surname could have started with an O,
hard to read handwriting) same witnesses as above June 2, 1836
pg. 137
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Hiram and Rebecca Barns to POWELL CARPENTER
Wit: Jesse Decker a d Thomas Head
pg. 136
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Vol 13 Oct 26, 1836
Samuel M. and Almira Goodwin Oakland Co MI to OSMUND T. CARPENTER and CHARLES
A.CARPENTER of Oakland MI
Wit: O.D. Richardson and John Runyon, Jr.
pg. 52
(This one interested me too, because my MOSES CARPENTER married Elizabeth
Runyon and she had a brother, John Runyon)
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Also found S.M. CARPENTER with a Miller and Piles as witnesses to a deed for
Blumfield ? and Parkr 1836
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I am posting these here because I seldom see deeds listed in print, so hope
this helps someone. Wanted to check these cats in the Carpenter Memorial, but
it seems that my copy has run off and hidden from me, so maybe someone might!
Phoebe in CA
to POWELL CARPENTER
Beginning with 1855, the New York State censuses ask that the county of
birth be supplied for those born in New York. State censuses seldom have a
general index, and New York is no exception; but its 1865 and 1875 censuses for
Cattaraugus Co. have been indexed locally and the results put online. If you
order FHL films 584487 and 584491, you'll find the family of Charles
Carpenter on pages 22 and 551, respectively.
Have you checked local and county histories, obituaries in local/county
newspapers, etc.?
Using the Cattaraugus Grantee Index (you might also look in the Mortgagor
Index), you could identify the volume/page numbers of deeds of purchases (and
mortgages) by Charles Carpenter of land in Cattaraugus Co. Then check the
relevant record volumes to see if the earliest (not necessarily the
first-recorded) deed or mortgage indicates Charles's former place of residence. The
indexes and record volumes are available on FHL film.
It's an outside shot, but you should also check Cattaraugus Co. probate
records for both Charles and Harriet. Sometimes you learn things you don't
expect.
As a general research principle, find out all you can about Charles and
Harriet from all conceivable sources.
If you haven't already checked it, perhaps their son Arthur's death
certificate gives his parents' respective places of birth.
If all else fails and you know the identity of any of Charles's or Harriet's
siblings, you might try researching one of them. You might also see if you
can find a link to the surname DeVere.
But before you try anything else, check the state census films mentioned
above.
Gene Z.
In a message dated 4/5/2005 4:00:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Joyce
Sharpley writes:
Charles Carpenter b. 15 Nov 1830 in NY, d. 20 Nov 1888 in Cattaraugus Co. NY
and is buried in the East Randolph Cemetery, Maple Hill cemetery. He
married Harriet A. Palmer b. 22 Dec 1840 in NY. They had 2 sons, Clayton b.
1862 in Randolph, Cattaraugus, NY and d. 1863 and is buried in the East
Randolph cem. Also. The second child was Arthur DeVere Carpenter b. 13 Sep
1866 in Napoli, Cattaraugus, NY, d. 4 Aug 1958 in Seattle, King, WA.
Charles was a marble sculptor/cutter. I sent for his death certificate last
September and finally received my response last week. The report was, that
there is no record of his death. I even called the office and they pulled
the records for that year to double check for me. I am very disappointed of
course. Does anyone know another way I can find the parents of Charles
Carpenter. There are several Charles Carpenters born in New York the same
age as my ggrandfather. I've checked the census records. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.
I've been told to check property holdings as they sometimes say Charles
Carpenter of San Francisco or some such as a clue. Then of course look
for church records ( as to baptismal records.) Also check your library
- there are some good Carpenter books. Of course you can only use
these as a guide for many of the early researchers weren't to careful.
Jessie Deith
Hello,
I belonged to this list a couple of years ago and have just now rejoined. I
have the Carpenter CD's. I have had several suggestions as to which line of
Carpenters I descend from, but to date I have no proof. Here is what I have
so far:
Charles Carpenter b. 15 Nov 1830 in NY, d. 20 Nov 1888 in Cattaraugus Co. NY
and is buried in the East Randolph Cemetery, Maple Hill cemetery. He
married Harriet A. Palmer b. 22 Dec 1840 in NY. They had 2 sons, Clayton b.
1862 in Randolph, Cattaraugus, NY and d. 1863 and is buried in the East
Randolph cem. Also. The second child was Arthur DeVere Carpenter b. 13 Sep
1866 in Napoli, Cattaraugus, NY, d. 4 Aug 1958 in Seattle, King, WA.
Charles was a marble sculptor/cutter. I sent for his death certificate last
September and finally received my response last week. The report was, that
there is no record of his death. I even called the office and they pulled
the records for that year to double check for me. I am very disappointed of
course. Does anyone know another way I can find the parents of Charles
Carpenter. There are several Charles Carpenters born in New York the same
age as my ggrandfather. I've checked the census records. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.
Joyce Sharpley
joycesharpley(a)comcast.net
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