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On 10 September 2004, Bruce wrote:
Just finished a two week driving tour of England and managed a trip to
Shalbourne, a thoroughly charming place. Made the discovery that William of
Rehoboth was a "churchwarden" of the parish.
Bruce Carpenter
Clinton, WA
On 16 September 2004, he contributed the following:
Wiltshire Glebe Terriers 1588-1827
Steven Hobbs ed.
Wiltshire Record Society
vol. 56
Trowbridge, 2003
p. 367
"SHALBOURNE vicarage
655 6 Jun 1628 (D5/102/8)
3 ½ a. in the E. end field upon Cutton Hill. 2a. in the field E. End
Townsend. 4a. 1yd. In Shalbourne N. field. 1a. upon the barrows in E, field. ½ a. at
the vicarage gate. Vicars croft by Newtown common, 6a. Church lands: 2 a. of
arable lying in Rowlands within the gate, the hedge on the one side and
Edward Ranger's land on the other. Parsonage land: 1a. of arable in the E. end
field at Townsend. 1a. of arable in the W. field at W. end.
Roland Hyll, vicar, John Tallmage, (X), William Crpener1 (X), churchwardens.
1. Probably Carpenter. The marriage of a William Carpenter was recorded in
the parish register in 1625.
_______________________
Having reviewed the relevant pages of _Wiltshire Glebe Terriers 1588-1827_
(the quoted material is on p. 364), I think it's safe to say that churchwarden
William "Crpener" certainly was not William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth (and
perhaps is not a Carpenter).
The volume's introduction (p. xix) states that "[s]ignatories making their
marks are indicated by [X]." If the bracketed X following "William Crpener"
is appropriate, it virtually assures that he was not William Carpenter of
Rehoboth. That the latter man was highly literate is well known; he (b. ca.
1605) would certainly have been able to sign his name at the age of about 23.
Churchwardens, moreover, were typically 25 and more years older than that.
While one might wonder if "William Crpener" was William1 Carpenter, father of
William of Rehoboth and about 52 in 1628, there are two reasons to doubt it:
First, the same problem as above exists to a lesser degree here: while it is
quite plausible that William1 was not as literate as his namesake son, it
is unlikely that the father of such an educated son could not write his own
name. Second, the suffix "Sr.," "the elder," or the like does not appear.
This is consistent with the following: "Only the last of the six Shalbourne
records [Bishop's Transcripts] naming William2, that of son Samuel's baptism [1
March 1636/7], distinguishes him as 'Junior.' From this and the absence of a
Shalbourne baptismal record for William2, it is likely that William1 joined
his son at Shalbourne sometime between 1634 [son Joseph bp. 6 April 1634]
and 1636/7 and that neither was native to the parish" (TAG 70[1995]:194).
Has anyone undertaken to obtain from the Wiltshire and Swindon Record
Office, Trowbridge, a copy of the original record (D5/10/2/8)? The published
version should be checked against it.
Gene Z.
Recieved Ora addie's Obituary she died 1945 not 1915 Headstone must have
faded
Bennigton Banner ,March 5 1945,Bennington,Vermont
" Mrs. ,Ora Bugbee :"
Mrs. Ora Ada Bugbee, 52, died Thursday evening at Putnam Memorial Hospital.
She was the wife of John Bugbee of Woodford City and the ,daughter of Draper
Carpenter and Carrie Harvey Carpenter. She was born in Pownal in II: 1893.
Besides her husband she is survived by two sons: Carl Bugbee of Woodford and
Lewis Sprague of Bennington. She was one of a family of 20 children.
Funeral services will be held at the 'Walbridge Funeral Home on Main street
Sunday afternoon at 2 o'clock. Rev. George Burke, retired Methodist minister
will Officiate. The body will be placed in the vault at Park Lawn cemetery
and in the spring burial will be at ;WoodfordCity.
The bearers were Jesse A. Bugbee, Perry Bugbee, Frank Lorette and Glenn
Temple, all ofWoodford. ~"'
Hello!
We have finally got the link to allow people to donate to the Carpenter
Cousins Y-DNA Project.
Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project link:
http://members.cox.net/johnrcarpenter/index.htm
Donation link:
www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html
Please indicate your donation is for: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project
FTDNA (Family Tree DNA) has now provided a way for people to support others
in Carpenter Y-DNA research. This will help many people get started,
upgrade and help others. This money can only be used for FTDNA testing for
the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
FTDNA WILL MATCH DONATIONS given in OCTOBER 2004 to help start off this
program. See details below.
Please make a donation, even if it is $5.00, $10.00, $25.00 or more to our
Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
Donation link:
www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html
Please indicate your donation is for: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project
Many Thanks in Advance!
John R. Carpenter
Webpage/Fund manager
Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project
PS Encourage others to help out. DO you know a Carpenter named business
that might be willing to help out?
----- Original Message -----
From: <max(a)familytreedna.com>
To: <johnrcarpenter(a)cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:07 PM
Subject: More on the General Fund and "Matching Gift" from FTDNA
> To Carpenter group manager,
>
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> b) The Group Administrator tells FTDNA to which kit we should apply funds.
> c) We have created a self-explanatory page to be used by those who want to
> make a contribution to their family DNA project:
> www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html (You will also find a link to
> this page under the General Fund at your GAP).
>
> You are welcome to send the above link by e-mail to potential
> contributors, as well as publish it in your website. In addition to that,
> if you have a public web page for your project at Family Tree DNA, we are
> including in the setup page a box where you can choose to have that
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>
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>
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Hello,
H.R. 10 was passed without the requested change to allow accress to
genealogical vital records 100 years or older.
Please pass this on to other genealogical lists and those interested.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Go to the following links and post a message for the sponsor and cosponsors
of HR 10. You may need to follow the link a point or two. Some have e-mails
and others have forms to fill out. Remember to ask for a response. This
shows that you are interested in what happens!
United States House of Representatives - Representative Office Listing at
the following web page:
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml
Sponsor of HR 10: Rep Hastert, J. Dennis [IL-14]
http://www.house.gov/hastert/contact.shtml
COSPONSORS(26), ALPHABETICAL:
Rep Blunt, Roy [MO-7] - 9/24/2004
Web Site: www.house.gov/blunt
E-mail: blunt(a)mail.house.gov
Rep Boehner, John A. [OH-8] - 9/24/2004
http://johnboehner.house.gov/contact.asp
Rep Burr, Richard [NC-5] - 10/4/2004
email: Richard.BurrNC05(a)mail.house.gov
Rep Cox, Christopher [CA-48] - 9/24/2004
http://cox.house.gov/html/contact_email.cfm
Rep Davis, Tom [VA-11] - 9/24/2004
http://tomdavis.house.gov/davis_contents/center/feedback/
Rep DeLay, Tom [TX-22] - 9/24/2004
http://www.majorityleader.gov/CONTACT.ASP?a=form
Rep Dreier, David [CA-26] - 9/24/2004
http://dreier.house.gov/talkto.htm
Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] - 10/5/2004
http://www.house.gov/gingrey/IMA/issue.htm
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6] - 10/4/2004
Rep Green, Mark [WI-8] - 10/4/2004
Rep Hoekstra, Peter [MI-2] - 9/24/2004
Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] - 9/24/2004
Rep Hyde, Henry J. [IL-6] - 9/24/2004
Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49] - 10/4/2004
Rep McInnis, Scott [CO-3] - 10/4/2004
Rep Miller, Candice S. [MI-10] - 10/5/2004
Rep Nussle, Jim [IA-1] - 9/24/2004
Rep Oxley, Michael G. [OH-4] - 9/24/2004
Rep Pickering, Charles W. (Chip) [MS-3] - 10/4/2004
Rep Pryce, Deborah [OH-15] - 9/24/2004
Rep Ramstad, Jim [MN-3] - 10/6/2004
Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. [WI-5] - 9/24/2004
Rep Sessions, Pete [TX-32] - 10/4/2004
Rep Smith, Christopher H. [NJ-4] - 9/24/2004
Rep Thomas, William M. [CA-22] - 9/24/2004
Rep Young, C. W. Bill [FL-10] - 9/24/2004
Sample letter:
I support your intention to increase security to protect the U.S. from
terrorists and those who wish to improperly take U.S. identities, I am also
concerned that those researching their family's history continue to have
access to non-certified birth records that are than 100 years old or older.
Therefore, I ask that you amend HR-10 Section 3063(d)(2) (I hope I got the
right section!) by adding the following or similar wording to the existing
paragraph:
'However, nothing in this Chapter 2 shall be construed to require a State to
change its law with respect to public access to (A) non-certified copies of
birth certificates or to (B) birth certificates or birth records once a
period of 100 years has elapsed from the date of creation of thecertificate
or record depending on State initiatives.'
I believe that this additional language is imperative so that the states do
not over react by restricting all certificates to comply with the law,
rather than dealing with certified as opposed to non-certified birth
certificates. This proposed amendatory language would remind the States
that they can and should treat older records differently.
Please let me know when this is done!
Thank You!
Assistance needed to correct dates on Ora Addie Carpenter born 22 Jan 1893
,Woodford,Bennington,Vt ? Married John Lyman Bugbee 24 June 1930
She is listed as dieing in 1915. She is burried in Rt 9 (VT) cemetery in
Woodford next to her Husband. I believe her death date may be wrong
IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!
I've received this from 2 lists now!
Barb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lois Franceschi" <ljfljf(a)psyber.com>
To: <HARRIS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: [HARRIS] Congressman trying to restrict birth records...please
read
> Please pass this along to your lists. We need to get
> this information out to the public.
>
> This was posted on Ancestry Daily News. You can
> find it online at www.ancestry.com/dailynews
> Issue: October 7, 2004
>
> Thanks,
> Sharon Pike
> Sharon(a)MeriwetherSociety.org
>
> Immediate Action Requested
>
> Legislation in Congress Seeks to Restrict Access to Birth Records;
> FGS Recommends Writing to Your Congressional Representatives
>
> The U.S. House of Representatives is considering a bill, House
Resolution 10
> (H.R. 10), which seeks to restrict access to birth certificates. This
bill,
> which purpose is to respond to the threat of terrorism, is on a fast
track
> to passage and has been voted on by several committees already. Your
help is
> needed now.
>
> David Rencher, Chairman of the Record Access and Preservation Committee,
a
> joint committee of the National Genealogical Society and Federation of
> Genealogical Societies, has sent a letter to the bill's sponsor,
Congressman
> Dennis Hastert, recommending an amendment to the bill as follows:
>
> "However, nothing in this Chapter 2 shall be construed to require a
State to
> change its law with respect to public access to (A) non-certified copies
of
> birth certificates, or to (B) birth certificates or birth records once a
> period of 100 years has elapsed from the date of creation of the
certificate
> or record."
>
> A copy of the letter is available on the FGS site at
> www.fgs.org/rpa/formalactions.htm.
>
> To view this bill, go to http://thomas.loc.gov.
> Enter HR 10 in the search box for "Bill Number."
>
> Action Is Needed Now
> Because this bill is moving toward passage so quickly, it is urged that
the
> genealogical community take action immediately and let their
representatives
> know that they are in support of David Rencher's amendment and the FGS
> position in this important matter. To find your state representative's
> contact information, go to www.house.gov/writerep/.
>
> How Should I Word My Letter?
> While you should word the letter in any way that is comfortable for you,
it
> is recommended that you include the following as a portion of the
letter:
>
> "While I support the intention to increase security to protect the U.S.
from
> terrorists and those who wish to improperly take U.S. identities, I am
> concerned that those researching their family's history continue to have
> access to non-certified birth records.
>
> Therefore, in order to support HR-10 I ask that you amend HR-10 Section
> 3063(d)(2) by adding the following wording to the existing paragraph:
>
> 'However, nothing in this Chapter 2 shall be construed to require a
State to
> change its law with respect to public access to (A) non-certified copies
of
> birth certificates or to (B) birth certificates or birth records once a
> period of 100 years has elapsed from the date of creation of the
certificate
> or record.'
>
> I believe that this additional language is imperative so that the states
do
> not react by restricting all certificates to comply with the law, rather
> than dealing with certified as opposed to non-certified birth
certificates.
> This proposed amendatory language would remind them that they can and
should
> be treated differently."
>
>
>
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Searching for the family of Edna Carpenter, she married Harold Melville,
they had three children , Wallace, Lydia and Robert. If you have these people in
your family line ,or know them , please reply.
thankyou
Pat
I have hit a brick wall with the ancestors of my gg-grandfather, Jeremiah
Williams. He was born about 1793 in CT. The family moved to OH at some time
after his birth. Jeremiah married Lavinia or Lovine Carpenter in Franklin County
OH in 1821. They were married by Lavinia's father Reuben Carpenter who was
born in Mass. Lavinia was born about 1792 in the Barre twnshp, Washington, VT.
Reuben was the Justice of the Peace in Franklin Co. Jeremiah and Lavinia had
four children born in OH. They were: Angeline, b. 1823, Jeremiah Jr, b. 1825,
Lucy, b. 1830 and Cyrus, b. 1832. The family migrated to the Republic of
Texas about 1836
Information
This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.