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----- Original Message -----
From: <CARPENTER-D-request(a)rootsweb.com>
To: <CARPENTER-D(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:00 PM
Subject: CARPENTER-D Digest V02 #14
I don't know whats wrong with your messages but when I receive them their
blank and an attachment on it and they won't open I very much thank you as I
am researching the Henry/John carpenters from AR and Langston my
G..Grandmother who married Johon she is from TN. thank you Shirley Walker
The following list of documents was a surprise to me. They all deal with a
John Carpenter of Surrey
in the early 1600s. The long list of communications with the well known
George Calvert are most interesting.
Calvert was also signer of the Virginia Charter with a Thomas and two
William Carpenters in the early
1600s. Calvert although a Catholic was very active in New World projects. I
suspect that Surrey
John Carpenter was a member of the Merchant Adventurers of London. Some of
the other letters Carpenter
wrote were to seeming Italians and Low Countries individuals and places
related.. This raises the question of how involved the Carpenters were in
international trade and schemes in the 1600s. From the Public Record Office:
BC
E 214/871 Parties:James I.Sir Thomas Sherely the younger of Wiston co.
Sussex, kt., George Kevett of Finham co. Warwick, esq., Richard Bellingham
of London, esq., Raphe Carle of Botley co.Hants., gent., John Carpenter of
Southwark co. Surrey, gent., Anthony Wilkins of London, merchant tylor, and
Thomas Wolley of London, grocer. 13 Jan 1609
SP 80/3 John Carpenter to Sir George Calvert, Principal Secretary of State,
from Brussels Folio no 166 1620 Feb 9
SP 80/3 Carpenter (3090) to Secretary of State from Nuremberg Folio no 342
1620 Mar 24
SP 80/3 Carpenter (3090) to Secretary of State from Nuremberg Folio no 179
1620 Apr 28
SP 80/3 Carpenter (3090) to Secretary of State from Nuremberg Folio no 181
1620 May 6
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 184 1620 May 12
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 186 1620 May 19
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 189 1620 June 7
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 202 1620 June 21
SP 80/3 Receipt by Carpenter of money on two bills Folio no 217 1620 July
25
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 221 1620 Aug 11
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 240 1620 Oct 6
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 244 1620 Nov 4
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State (addressed `Carlo Vittorini') Folio
no 248 1620 Nov 10
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 258 1620 Nov 17
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 262 1620 Dec 7
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State (addressed `Carlo Vittorini') Folio
no 264 1620 Dec 15
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 276 1620 Dec 21
SP 80/3 Carpenter from Nuremberg Folio no 306 1621 Jan 9/19
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 327 1621 Mar 5
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 332 1621 Mar 10
SP 80/3 Carpenter to Secretary of State Folio no 345 1621 Mar 25
SP 80/4 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 1 1621 Apr 1
SP 80/4 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 4 1621 Apr 8
SP 80/4 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 6 1621 Apr 15
SP 80/4 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 8 1621 Apr 22
SP 80/4 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 11 1621 Apr 29
SP 80/4 Carpenter to William Peisly Folio no 13 1621 May 6
SP 80/4 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 15 1621 May 6
SP 80/4 Carpenter to [Calvert] Folio no 17 1621 May 13
SP 80/4 Carpenter to [Calvert] (addressed to `Carlo Vittorini') Folio no 19
1621 May 20
SP 80/4 Carpenter to [Calvert] Folio no 34 1621 May 27
SP 80/4 Carpenter to [Calvert] Folio no 52 1621 June 3
SP 80/4 Carpenter to [Calvert] Folio no 60 1621 June 10
SP 80/4 Carpenter to [Calvert] Folio no 67 1621 June 17
SP 80/4 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 86 1621 June 23
SP 80/4 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 95 1621 July 1
SP 80/4 Carpenter to Calvert Folio no 101 1621 July 8
SP 81/17 Jn. Carpenter to Carlo Vittorini. Folio 285 1620 Aug. 18
SP 81/18 [Jn. Carpenter] to Secretary of State. Folio 174 1620 Sept. 29
o.s.
SP 81/23 Jn. Carpenter (3090) to Secretary of State. Folio 109 1622 Mar. 14
SP 84/84 Peter Paul Rubens to Carleton (Carpenter p.148.) 1618 May 2/12
SP 84/84 Rubens to Carleton - 3 letters. (Carpenter pp.158, 162 Sainsbury:
Rubens.) 1618 May 16/26
SP 84/84 Rubens to Carleton. (Carpenter p.166. Sainsbury: Rubens p.43.)
1618 May 22/June 1
SP 84/84 Carleton to Lionel Wake. (Carpenter p.164.) 1618 May 29
SP 84/84 Carleton to Rubens. (Carpenter p.164.) 1618 May 29
SP 84/98 [John Carpenter] to Secretary of State. 1620 Dec. 1
SP 84/139 J. L. Carpenter to [Dorchester]. 1629 July 17
SP 84/141 Honthorst to Dorchester. (Carpenter: Pictorial Notices of Vandyck
p.182.) 1630 May 12/22
SP 84/142 Honthorst to Dorchester. (Carpenter: Notices of Vandyck p.183.)
1630 Aug. 27/Sept. 6
SP 94/6 Louis Jacarth to M. Carpenter. 1598 May 26/June 5
SP 99/22 Carpenter to Chamberlain. [1617 ?] Sept. 22
LR 9/131 John Carpenter to his uncle, Robert Phelips: personal news, news of
the lord treasurer's death 1598
AO 1/2486/350 Roll 350T. Carpenter, Paymaster of works for alum in
Yorkshire. 28 Mar. 1613-31 Jan 1614/5
AO 1/2487/351 Roll 351T. Carpenter, Paymaster of works for alum in
Yorkshire. 1 Feb. 1614/5-31 Mar. 1615
Hello fellow Carpenter researchers....
Looking to see if anyone has connections or someone who may have more
information on the following families. I have been at a brick wall for a
few
years now as I am sure some of you have noticed.
Samuel Carpenter b. 1796 in Va. married Malinda (nee Unkn) found in
Jackson Co., Redding Twp. Indiana in 1850 and 1860.
Children that I have for this couple is as follows:
Samuel b. ca. 1832 in Pa.
Jane b. ca. 1834 in Pa.
John b. Nov. 6, 1836 in In. md. Rebecca Baker
Margaret b. ca. 1839 in In.
William b. ca. 1842 in In.
Clara b. ca. 1844 in In.
Maria (Mary) b. ca. 1847 in In.
Jesse Carpenter b. ca. 1793 in Ga. married Elizabeth (nee Unkn) found in
Jefferson Co., Milton Twp., Indiana in 1850 then in Jackson Co., Redding
Twp. in 1860.
Children I have for this couple:
Allen b. May 10, 1837 in Ky. md. Sarah Reed in Jackson Co., In.
Frances b. ca. 1836 in Ky. md. John H Groom in Jackson Co., In.
Jesse b ca. 1838 in Ky. md. Polly Reed in Jackson co., In.
Anderson M. b ca. 1841 in Ky. md. Mary A. Cash in Ky.
Franklin b. ca. 1852 in In.
Andrew Jackson Carpenter b. May 1833 in Ky. d. Dec. 8, 1908
married Elizabeth Williams June 24, 1856 in Bartholomew Co., In.
Found in the 1870 and 1880 census in Jackson Co., Redding Twp., Indiana
and then in 1900 in Columbus City, Bartholomew Co., Indiana.
Children for this couple:
Anna M. b. ca. 1858
Charles b. ca. 1860
Alice b. ca. 1862 md. John W. Finley in Jackson Co., In.
Andrew Jackson Jr. b. ca. 1865
Gertrude b. ca. 1872 md. Edwin Wright in Bartholomew Co., In.
Pearl b. Aug. 11, 1875 md. Edward A. Clark in Bartholomew Co., In
James Carpenter b. ca. 1831 in Ky. married Nancy Strickland in Jefferson
Co., In.
Apr. 18, 1850. The coupld was found in Jefferson Co., Milton Twp., In.
in 1850.
Have no other information on them but believe that James is possibly the
son of
Jesse b. 1796 in Georgia.
Anderson Carpenter b. ca Feb. 1839 in Ky. d. Mar 16, 1914 in Bartholomew
Co., In.
married abt 1879 Emaline (Cousan? or Biney/Byney?) b. Aug 5, 1862 in In.
Found in
1900 in Jefferson Co., Monroe Twp., In. Can not locate for 1910.
Children for this couple:
Lewis b. Mar 21, 1885 in In. md. Nellie Stater in Bartholomew Co.,
Indiana
Stella b. Oct. 1887 in In.
Alfred b. Feb 1890
Jane b. Apr 1893
Lucy b. Feb 1895 in In.
Believe that this marriage between Anderson and Emaline is a second one
for Anderson.
Anderson may have been married prior to Addie/Adeline Pounds/Ponds in
Ky.
Laurie Carpenter
Much of the exciting genealogy of the future will be DNA related.
For Carpenters these developments will be fun. The following from
a newsletter.
BC
"- GENTECH2002 about to Kick Off in Boston
One of my personal highlights every year is the GENTECH
conference. This is a 2-day conference dedicated to technology
topics of interest to genealogists. The topics vary widely; many
are aimed at genealogy or technology beginners while others are of
interest to the experts. Ask anyone who has ever attended a past
GENTECH conference, and I suspect they will tell you that they
enjoyed it. I have been at the past nine GENTECH conferences and
am looking forward to attending this year's tenth anniversary
event.
The GENTECH conferences are usually held in late January or early
February. The location changes from city to city each year, with
this year's event being held in Boston at one of the city's best
convention facilities: the Hynes Convention Center. The convention
center is part of an indoor complex that includes three hotels,
two shopping malls, restaurants, a grocery store, and much more.
In addition, it is located within Boston's historic Back Bay and
is a short walk from the Boston Public Library (with excellent
genealogy records), the New England Historic Genealogical Society
(also with excellent genealogy records), as well as several more
hotels and dozens of restaurants. This location promises to be the
most convenient of all the GENTECH conferences. Even if we get
snowed in, the conference goes on!
The main speaker at GENTECH2002 will be Dr. Bryan Sykes, author of
the best-selling book, The Seven Daughters of Eve: The Science
That Reveals Our Genetic Ancestry. Dr. Sykes will be the banquet
speaker on Friday evening. He is a professor of genetics at the
Institute of Molecular Medicine at Oxford University and director
of http://www.oxfordancestors.com. He has also been featured on
the Today show on NBC-TV. He was the keynote speaker at the New
England Historic Genealogical Society's summer 2001 conference,
and a number of people who heard him there have told me that Dr.
Sykes is an articulate, knowledgeable and humorous speaker. I look
forward to hearing his talk in Boston.
GENTECH2002 will have more DNA presentations and information than
I have ever seen at any other genealogy conference. Two of the
speakers head up two of the leading university groups engaged in
sequencing large numbers of human DNA samples: Dr. Bryan Sykes of
Oxford University, whom I just described, and Dr. Scott Woodward
of Brigham Young University. They will discuss their differing
approaches to their studies. Two additional speakers also have
excellent credentials as geneticists and have been speaking to
American genealogical audiences for many years: Dr. Thomas
Roderick of Jackson Laboratories and Dr. Joan Mitchell of the
University of Alabama. Each of these speakers will give individual
presentations and then, near the end of the conference, all four
speakers will also participate in a panel discussion.
Not every event is aimed at DNA, however. More than 50
presentations are planned, many of them by well-known
genealogists. Here is a sample of some of the presentations
scheduled:
* The Internet: A Virtual Canvas for Your Ancestry by Rhonda
McClure
* Tables, Charts, & Spreadsheets by Patricia Law Hatcher
* The Future of the Past: Is Technology Answering our SOS
Beacons? By Curt Witcher
* Tips for Scanning Documents onto CDs by John Wilbanks
* Evaluating Web Resources by Sandra Clunies
* Word Processing Tricks for Genealogists by Pamela Boyer Porter
* Mysteries of the Soundex by Tony Burroughs
* Digital Cameras -- Uses and Limitations by Richard Wilson
* What a Tangled Web We Weave by Cyndi Howells (at the GENTECH
Luncheon)
* More Than Names on the 'Net: Building a Context Online by
Amy J. Crow
* Tour of the Genealogical Data Model by John Wilbanks
* Improving the Quality of Genealogical Documents by Tony
Burroughs
* Evaluating New Features in Genealogy Programs by Richard
Wilson
* (OCR) Optical Character Recognition: State of the Art by
Jake Gehring
* Data Transfer Tools and Protocols by Bob Velke
* In the Palm of Your Hand: Using Palm Pilot Computers for
Genealogy by Tony Burroughs
* Using it All! Tools for Macintosh Users by Donna Moughty
The above is only a sample. The full list can be found at the
GENTECH Web site.
I will also be making a presentation at GENTECH2002 late on
Saturday afternoon, on "How to Create Your Own Genealogy CD
Disks." My handouts will be on CD-ROM. A number of people asked
about obtaining a copy of the handout disk. I expect to make them
available some time after GENTECH; keep an eye on this newsletter
for an announcement.
An e-mail newsletter is now available to keep you up to date on
the latest news about the conference. You can sign up for the e-
mail newsletter and also find a lot more information about
GENTECH2002 at: http://www.gentech.org
Who scheduled my talk at the same time as Tony Burroughs' talk on
"Using Palm Pilot Computers for Genealogy?" I wanted to attend his
presentation! Oh well, I guess I can buy the audio tape... .
==============================================================
- Brigham Young University's DNA Study Continues At GENTECH2002
Researchers at Brigham Young University are building a very
interesting new database of molecular genealogy information. As
the project leaders explain:
Molecular Genealogy links individuals together in "family
trees" based on the unique identification of genetic markers.
This is accomplished by using the information encoded in the
DNA of an individual and/or population to determine the
relatedness of individuals, families, tribal groups, and
populations. Pedigrees based on genetic markers can reveal
relationships not detectable in genealogies based only on
names, written records, or oral traditions. There may be a
number of individuals named John Smith, but a genetic
identification is unique and can even discriminate between
closely related individuals or those sharing the same name.
There is not another individual that has ever lived on the
earth or that will ever live that has the same genetic
identification. The fact that DNA is inherited and that each
individual is the product of his/her progenitors means that
DNA can be used to not only create unique identifications, but
also to identify members of the same family, the same clan or
tribal group, or the same population.
In order to build the database, researchers have been attending
genealogy conferences and other locations where genealogists
gather. They will be continuing this effort in Boston in a few
days at the GENTECH2002 Conference, with the help and input of
conference attendees.
It is possible to obtain DNA from any biological specimen, such as
blood, saliva, and hair. The BYU researchers are collecting blood
samples because the quality and quantity of the DNA is greater
than that which is retrieved from hair or saliva. Any individual
18 years or older can participate in this study. All of the
genealogical reconstruction proposed in this project is done using
DNA from living individuals. This work does not require DNA
information from people who are deceased.
The BYU project has five major objectives:
1. Determine the genetic composition of major populations
throughout the world. This database can be used to identify
the origins and affinities of an individual and/or family with
unknown ancestry. This study will include at least 500
populations from all over the world. Individuals in each
population will be identified, genealogical information for at
least four generations (where possible) will be compiled, and
genetic information will be determined. The identification of
groups of DNA markers, or haplotypes, that are unique to a
population will be used to determine specific origins and
affinities for individuals.
2. Reconstruct genealogies using genetic information. This
information can be used to resolve "blocked" genealogies where
information is incomplete or missing due to lack of records,
illegitimacy, or adoption, and which has prevented the linking
of families. This also allows for the molecular identification
of missing relatives. New genealogical links will be
established between living individuals by identifying or
confirming suspected lineages that are currently impossible to
resolve using traditional methods.
3. Establish genotypic links in each population and between
each of the populations. Furthermore, it will be possible to
establish ancient immigration and migration patterns.
Individual families will be linked to their ancestral
homelands and the contemporary populations that share a common
genetic heritage.
4. Produce unique identifications for peoples that do not have
traditional name-based genealogies. This would allow the
reconstruction of DNA based genealogies and extend an
understanding of human relationships worldwide.
5. Preserve the genetic heritage of an individual and family for
future generations. This would have multiple implications for
genealogical and medical progress in the future.
The BYU researchers will be working in the vendors' area at
GENTECH2002 on January 25 and 26. To contribute to this study, you
need to have a copy of a four-generation pedigree chart or a
GEDCOM file containing names, birth dates and birthplaces of each
person listed. The researchers will then draw a small blood sample
to accompany your genealogy data.
For more information about the BYU DNA study, go to:
http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu. For more information about
GENTECH2002, look at: http://www.gentech.org.
==============================================================
- DNA Study Proves Descent from Thomas Wingfield of York River, Virginia
The Winter, 2002 edition of the Wingfield Family Society's
newsletter contains a very interesting story. It seems that DNA
has been used to confirm descent from a certain ancestor even
though traditional documentation has been missing.
Thomas Wingfield (1664 - 1720) lived in St. Peters Parish, New
Kent County, Virginia in the 1690s and early 1700s. The baptisms
of several of his children are recorded in the parish register of
St. Peter's Church. Those records cover from 1684 through 1786
with one exception: the years 1691 through 1702 are missing.
Unfortunately, those years are important to many Wingfield
descendants.
The parish records list the baptisms of three daughters: Ruth, 18
Oct. 1691; Mary, 25 Feb. 1699/1700 and Elizabeth, 12 July 1702.
However, records in later years indicated that three Wingfield
men, Thomas, John and Robert, all came from the same area of
Virginia and were of the appropriate ages to have been baptized in
the years of the missing records, 1691 through 1702. Wingfield
genealogists have always assumed that these three were sons of
Thomas Wingfield, but documentation has been lacking.
Genealogist Lee Preston conducted an intensive study of the
records in and around St. Peters Parish but found no mention of
the three that could link them to Thomas. However, no mention was
found of any other possible father. In fact, he found no other
Wingfield families in the area.
In July 2000, the Wingfield Family Society learned of the BYU DNA
project. Five Wingfield descendants were carefully chosen to
supply DNA samples:
Middleton Barnett Wingfield of Tennessee, a documented
descendent of Thomas Wingfield II, suspected to be the son of
Thomas of York River.
James Reuben Wingfield III of Illinois, a documented
descendant of John Wingfield
Dr. Billy Hillman Wingfield of Virginia, a documented
descendant of John Wingfield
Louis Henry Wingfield of Arizona, another documented
descendant of John Wingfield
Lancelot Hugh Wingfield, formerly of South Africa but now
living in New Jersey. Lance has documentation to prove that he
is not descended from Thomas of York River. He is, however,
descended from Sir John Wingfield of Tickencote (died 1631) in
England, the grandfather of the study's primary subject:
Thomas Wingfield of York River.
In addition, Sara Garrett, the Wingfield Family Society's Computer
Genealogy Chairman, prepared lineage charts from the society's
database showing the proven lineage of each person in the study.
Researchers at Brigham Young University then conducted DNA studies
on each of the five samples.
In September, 2001, the reports came back: each of the five
volunteers' DNA matched that of Lance Wingfield, thereby proving
Thomas Wingfield of York River as the father of Thomas, John and
Robert.
The above is a brief synopsis of a much longer story in the
Wingfield Family Society's newsletter. For details, see the
newsletter which, unfortunately, is not available online. You can
purchase a single edition of the newsletter for $3.00 from the
Wingfield Family Society, 301 Belleview Blvd., Belleair, FL 33756.
The Wingfield Family Society also maintains an excellent Web site
at: http://www.wingfield.org
My thanks to Bob Carr, President of the Wingfield Family Society,
for letting me know about this interesting story."
==============================================================
Dear John L.,
More data on Melungeon Ancestry. That they were of the "old world" is a
theory. Even though it seems to be a good one. See the book review by
Pat Elder below. See (2).
Doctor N. Brent Kennedy's book 'The Melungeons: The Resurrection of a
Proud People' has had some of his ideas presented in that book rejected,
some quite strongly. Some of it may have happened, but not to the
extreme Dr. Kennedy claims. See (1)
That the Melungeons in America arrived before there was anyone
(European) to record their presence has been accepted as fact. See (3)
There is many web sites that you can visit, and you can also join a
Roots-L mailing list on the subject. There is a interesting mix of
Redbones (of which the Melungeons are only one group) in the southeatern
United States. See (4)
There is a DNA Study on the Melungeons by University of Virgina (at
Wise, VA) professor Dr. Kevin Jones. This will help (hopefully) clear
the ancestry by tracing the blood origins. It will be available in the
near future. See (5)
One theory that I joke about is that some of the Redbones were
descendants of the Nephite Nation. See the Book of Mormon for Nephite
History. Other thoughts range from lost Vikings to other lost sailors
from various ports in the old World. Sir Francis Drake rescuing sailors
enslaved in South America is one of my favorites. It will be interesting
to see which theory holds up with the DNA results!
NOTE: An interesting play of whimsey is the word MELUNgeon itself. I
wonder if the Lord of Melun is remembered in a wierd way. The idea of
one (of Islam) lost to God or a cursed soul is interesting. Could that
image of an battle axe swinging Crusader loping off limbs be similar to
the European image of Death? (IE Dark hooded figure with a scythe?)
It seems to have its origin in the Arabic and Turkish terms "Melun jinn"
and "Melun can" was in use before the 1500s. See (6)
I hope this helps!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
The Official Web Site of The Melungeon Heritage Association Inc.
is at:
http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/inn/1024/welcome.htm
**********************************************************
(1)
http://appalachian_home.tripod.com/melungeon.htm
...
Much has been made of the Melungeons as a forgotten, oppressed, abused
people forced to the margins of society and
consigned to lives of poverty and neglect. N. Brent Kennedy, author of
one of the most popular books on the Melungeons,
Melungeons: The Resurrection of a Proud People, has subtitled his book
"An Untold Story of Racial Cleansing in America."
There is no doubt that many Melungeons have suffered greatly by the
various attempts of mainstream society to segregate and
punish "non-white" groups. One need look no further than the acts of Dr.
W.A. Plecker of VA (more below) for evidence of the
wrongs perpetrated against the Melungeon peoples. In an article for the
December 1998 IIGS Newsletter, Richard A. Pence
rejects (rather strongly) Kennedy's assumptions, and points out that
many of the people Kennedy refers to as "disenfranchised"
in fact are demonstrated by surviving records to have been substantial
members of society. I believe that both extremes were
occasionally true, and that generally the truth was somewhere in between
these opposing views. The fact that many people who
are believed to be part of Melungeon family groups also held public
office, owned land, or were prosperous in business affairs
does not militate against their potential status as Melungeons. We must
assume that there have always been mixed-blood people
that have successfully "passed" into so-called white society. Likewise,
we must consider the possibility that at different places and
times there have been varying degrees of acceptance of those outside the
defined norm, allowing for varying degrees of
participation by mixed-race peoples in mainstream society. The fact that
the public record records the contributions and services
of some Melungeons merely reinforces what I stated above, that the
Melungeons have always been a thriving part of the fabric
of life in America. Again, I suppose I would urge keeping an open mind.
...
(2)
http://www.continuitypress.com/melbook.html
Melungeons: Examining an Appalachian Legend
by Pat Spurlock Elder
396 pages, paperback binding, fully indexed
$19.95
In MELUNGEONS: Examining An Appalachian Legend, Pat Spurlock Elder has
written the definitive work concerning these
dark-skinned people of the southern mountains. A nationally known
Melungeon researcher and enthusiast, the author draws on
her more than thirty-year study of these legendary mountaineers. In this
volume, she brings her recognized skills as a professional
genealogist, as well as formal training in criminal investigation and
legal research, to the hunt for Melungeon origins. The result is
a fascinating and highly readable book which is also a scholarly
examination of the Melungeon mystery.
Ms. Elder has written this work from the vantage point of an objective,
although impassioned, researcher. Her concern for
accuracy is immediately evident and she backs up her conclusions with
well-documented testimony. Numerous references and
comments allow the reader to follow the evidence trail back to the
original source.
The author debunks many widely held but unsubstantiated beliefs about
Melungeons. She dispels the myths of their poverty and
downtrodden nature, and of their being an outcast people. She dismisses
trendy speculation about Old World Melungeon
origins, preferring to deal with facts rather than fantasy, and comes to
her own carefully considered conclusion.
The work is a treasure trove of genealogical information concerning
Melungeon and Melungeon-related family names. Along the
way, it guides the reader out of a labyrinth of false leads created in
earlier Melungeon works.
The book is fully indexed and the extensive bibliography is a must for
those researching Melungeons and their related family
lines. It is an invaluable resource for the professional and family
genealogist, historian, ethnologist, and folklorist.
Whether you are a family historian, someone new to Melungeon studies, or
an old hand at investigating these mysterious people,
MELUNGEONS: Examining An Appalachian Legend is enjoyable readable and
the best book available for unraveling the
mystery of Melungeon origins.
Index of MELUNGEONS: Examining An Appalachian Legend
Text of Pat Spurlock Elder's Speech at the Melungeon Second Union
(3)
http://www.dromo.com/fusionanomaly/melungeons.html
The history of the Melungeons is a jigsaw puzzle with too many pieces
missing ever to assemble a clear picture, but what does
emerge is too fascinating to ignore. The Melungeons in America arrived
before there was anyone to record their presence, and
to this day, even they cannot be sure as to their history. Ethnologists
have offered many conflicting theories, but until recently
none of them fitted neatly with what little evidence is available.
The fact that the Melungeons are a distinct people might not even have
been known today were it not for the physical traits that
mark them apart from other ethnic groups in Appalachia. For the
Melungeons, this phenotype has been the bane of their
existence.
(4)
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson25.htm
(links on the web page above - sampole text below!)
Melungeons
The Melungeons Revisited
Melungeon Heritage Association
Melungeon Resource Page
Melungeons and Other Mestee Groups
MELUNGEON-KIN-L Mailing List. For questions about this list, contact
the list administrator at MELUNGEON-KIN-admin(a)rootsweb.com.
Unique Peoples
Louisiana's Traditional Cultures
Redbones and Melungeons
Redbones
Triracials: Black Indians of the Upper South
INTERRACIAL-GENEALOGY-L A mailing list for anyone who is researching
their interracial ancestry.
Jackson Whites
Plattdeutsch
BLACK-DUTCH-L A mailing list for anyone
who wants to help define the most common meaning of the term "Black
Dutch."
BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA-LA mailing list for
anyone with genealogy interest in the Black-Dutch American Ancestry.
This list has great emphasis on the theory of Native American, African
American, Scotch, Irish and other cultures being connected to this great
mystery called Black Dutch. Throughout America researchers have tried to
solve this ancestral mystery, if you feel you can contribute or add some
suggestions, then this is the right list for you.
Black Irish
BLACK-IRISH-LA mailing list for anyone with
genealogy interest in Black-Irish ancestry.
This list has great emphasis on the theory of Irish, Native American,
Spanish, African, and other nationalities being connected to this great
mystery called Black Irish. Throughout America and the world researchers
have tried to solve this ancestral mystery, if you feel you can
contribute or add some suggestions, then this is the right list for you.
See Cyndi's List also.
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http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/inn/1024/DNAannouce.html
Update!!! 12/05/01
A DNA study on Melungeons is currently being undertaken under the
direction of Dr. Kevin Jones at the University of Virginia's College at
Wise. This study is intended to show genetic origins of people from
identified Melungeon families, and to compare those samples with other
population groups. Each of the samples must be accompanied by an
accurate and verifiable genealogy, and must be painstakingly
cross-checked to insure accuracy.
While the project is taking longer than originally anticipated, Dr.
Jones, MHA and everyone concerned wants to make sure the results are
valid, and are accepted as such by the scientific and academic
communities. Dr. Jones has increased the number of samples taken in
order to give a more valid picture of the population. The database now
has over 60,000 base pairs of sequences.
Unfortunately, in order to preserve the scientific integrity of this
study, results of individual tests will not be available to the
subjects. While we understand that the individuals who have contributed
samples would like to know the results, we feel that the integrity of
this study cannot be compromised. DR. JONES IS, HOWEVER, EXPLORING
POSSIBLE AVENUES TO PRIVATELY SHARE SUCH DATA IN WAYS THAT DO NOT
COMPROMISE THE ACADEMIC INTEGRITY OF THE STUDY. YOUR PATIENCE WILL BE
GREATLY APPRECIATED.
For too many years, certain scientists have insisted that if anyone is
to challenge the commonly accepted beliefs about Melungeons, that person
or persons would need to come up with verifiable evidence. That is what
is being undertaken with this study. While this study will probably not
answer all the questions concerning the origin of the Melungeons, it
will certainly shed a great deal of light on our ancestry and lead to
further research on our people.
As soon as the results are available, a detailed summary will be
available on this website.
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2. What is a Melungeon?
... Even the long-standing mystery term "Melungeon" is itself pronounced
identically to the Arabic and Turkish terms "Melun jinn" and "Melun can"
meaning "cursed soul." This term was in common usage among
sixteenth-century Ottoman Turks, Arabs, and Muslim Conversos in Spain
and Portugal, and is still understood by modern Arabs and Turks as a
self-deprecating term by a Mulsim who feels abandoned by God.
The following Public record Office document points to Thomas Carpenter mayor
of Reading
having been preceded by his father or older brother. In 1482 Thomas is
referred to as 'of Caversham'.
The Richard in the below quoted document puts Richard in the main town of
Reading and at the center
of the family cloth business by 1489. Thomas was probably still at the
periphery of family affairs in outlining Caversham. 'Yeoman' in the Richard
document
can still refer to a merchant and not a farmer according to Sylvia Thrupp
the expert
on such matters. If Richard was the father of Thomas, then his birth should
have been early 1400s.
The Richard document suggests merchant matters with its 'bond'.
BC
E 210/5559 Richard Carpenter of Reading, yeoman, and others to Thomas
Englefeld, esquire: Bond for the payment of money: Berks. 4 Hen. VII. o
The following is a jewel of old Carpenter history from the London Record
Office's Duchy of Lancaster records. This is at time of the heyday of
Carpenter merchants in London. Eustace as 'goldsmith' was probably using
merchant capital to lend to rich patrons. Goldsmiths were the bankers of
their day.
The land holdings in the document were perhaps collateral for a loan.
BC
"Eustace the Carpenter, goldsmith of London to Humphrey de Bohoun, Earl of
Hereford and Essex, and Elizabeth his wife: Quitclaim of the lands, etc.,
they have by lease from Ralph Heroun in the vills of High Easter, Great
Dunmow, and Little Waltham: (Essex)
[1297-1321] "
Hi!
Don't know if this is a help, but I noticed this on rootsweb:
Carpenter, Orlo B…… pg 403
Windham County, Connecticut CT Index to Lincoln’s Windham, vol. 1 (publ.
1920)
This index was donated to the USGenWeb Archives by Jan Harris, Feb. 1999.
Maybe you have already seen it, but thought I would send just in case.
Donna Cuzze
EMAIL: dcvegas(a)lasvegas.net
HOME PAGE: http://www.geocities.com/donnacarpenter.geo
I am looking for information on this family that ties into my great
grandmother's. I hope you can fill in some blanks, I have very little upon
which to build.
Appreciatively,
Ruth
Joseph CARPENTER
born:
died:
married:
spouse: Jane ??
children (one that I know of thus far):
Ann CARPENTER
born: 9 Sep 1763, ??
died:
married: 28 Nov 1872, ??
spouse:
Alexander "Aleck" SANDERS/SAUNDERS
born: 12 Mar 1760, Richmond County, VA
died:
Hello All, Happy New year,
It's been a few years since I've been on the Carpenter Web-Site although I am subscribed, so still getting our interesting history! I have a fairly new E-mail address >Prescarpenter(a)westelcom.com<. I've done very well with my genealogy thanks to many of you who have helped me. Chuck, John R., Bette and many more. Chuck, you should remember me, how are you doing and your son? I should say I've did very well except for one exception, I still can't find what happened to my grandfather--Orlando B. Carpenter born 14 Sept. 1873 in Westfield, Mass.? My fathers' father.
My line descends from-- Benjamin Carpenter & Renew Weeks--abt 1660
Benjamin Carpenter & Mary Barney--abt 1680
Daniel Carpenter & Sarah--abt 1707/1708
Jonathan Carpenter & Rebecca Howard-- abt 1752
Jonathan Carpenter & Elizabeth Bartlett-- abt 1772
Samuel Howard Carpenter & Hannah Chapin-- 1795
Howard Spencer Carpenter & Mary Ann Pease--abt 1820
Howard & Mary had 2 sons, Samuel Bryce Carpenter and Allen Aden Carpenter.
Samuel b 1845 married Harriet McCollum, they also had 2 sons. Orlando B. (my grandfather) and Albion b April 7, 1876, both born in Westfield, Mass..
My grandfather Orlando married Emma Brown b Nov. 23, 1873. They had five children, one daughter Hattie who only lived a few months, and four sons. My father Kenneth Fenelon b June 5 1897-d Mar 23 1950, & Leo Preston b Aug 3 1902-1922 born in Mansfield Conn. Orlando lived and worked in Mansfield, building
church organs and pipes in the 1890's. Then two sons were born in Bridgetown, Nova Scotia, Lester G. Carpenter b Feb 26,1904, d Feb 24, 1948 in Lehighton, Penn..Lastly, Arnold B. Carpenter b 1905, d Nov 28, 1936 in Bridgetown. All died young, my father the oldest at 53.
I have been unable to find any information on what happened to Orlando either in Mansfield, Conn, Mass. or Nova Scotia. It's like he just plain dis-appeared! It's possible he left his family around 1904-1910??
I found records of his brother Albion who died in Ocala, Fla. in 1963. he left one daughter, Lillian Mae Mooers Dec. 12, 1903-Nov.27, 1983 also in Ocala. Albion also left two grandsons and three g-grandchildren. I believe they still live in the Ocala area but I haven't been able to get any information from them. It's possible they could shed some light on what happened to Albions' brother Orlando?
My parents were Kenneth Carpenter & Elsa Shackley--Feb 24,1896-1990
Their Children
Kenneth Fenelon b Aug 25, 1922 --Living and the oldest
Arnold Lester--Living
Harriette Elizabeth--Living
Frederick Newell-- Living
Thelma Ruth--Living
Alice Martha--Living
Preston Leonard--b Apr.24,1934(I'm the youngest living)
Richard d at 5 yrs old
Lee & Lewis, twins who died at birth--1939
I've spent considerable time and money trying to find what happened to Orlando with no success. Is there anyone out there who can shed some light on him?
I can verify the correct names, dates etc. from Howard Spencer and Mary Ann Pease down to my grand-children. I also have much info on the families of Samuel Bryce Carpenter (my great-grandfather) and his brother Allen Aden Carpenter b Nov. 18,1850,d Jan. 13, 1941 of New Hartford, Conn.
Asking for this information is a first for me and I hope it isn't too confusing?
Many Thanks!
Preston Carpenter
>Prescarpenter(a)westelcom.com<
Hi all,
Lee Nelson (fxgate(a)worldnet.att.net) sent the following information to me
and my files pulled a total blank. Can anyone with a good background in
Virginia Lee out?
Jack
J.Schoedinger(a)juno.com
--------- Forwarded message ----------
Hi Jack: Lee Nelson here. I have found the following Carpenters in
the Virginia Land Patents. Can't seem to connect them to any of the
clans. Let me know if there is any connection to us.
John Gookin, Gent, 500 acres beginning at Mossy Point, bounded on the
west by Nanzimun Rover, and on the South by the gleabland. Due for
the transportation of ten persons (names below) October 1, 1636
1. Thomas Box, Jr.
2. Peter Norman
3. Mary Norman
4. John Butler
5. John Binder
6. Robert Hodges
7. JOHN CARPENTER
8. Edward Morgan
9. John Loudon
10. William Pensint
Robert Craddock and John Davis, 600 acres in the county of Henrico,
300 of which lies northerly upon a great swamp, and southerly towards
tha land of Alice Edlow, widow, and "westerly over the river", called
by the name of the Longfield. Due as follows: 300 by assignment from
Wm. Cooke and RICHARD CARPENTER, and 300 for the transportation of six
persons (names not given). Aug. 15, 1637.
Assignment, June 13, 1636, from John Baugh of Varina, planter, to
Cooke and CARPENTER, of the land patented by him.
Assignment, July 29, 1637, of Cooke and CARPENTER, to John Davis and
Robert Craddocke, of Harihatox, planters.
John Gookin, gent., 350 acres in the Upper County of New Norfolk,
beginning at a point called Mossy Point, and bounded on the west by
the Nansemond River. Due for the transportation of seven persons:
1. Thomas Box, Jun.,
2. Peter Norman
3. Mary Norman
4. Jon. Butler
5. John Burder
6. Robert Hodges
7. WALTER CARPENTER
May 23rd, 1637
I have no connection here either other than the naming patterns of
John, Solomon, Richard, and Walter.
VIRGINIA VITAL RECORDS
Parents MICHAEL ZIMMERMAN and Maria Christler. (MICHAEL ZIMERMAN was
the son of JOHN CARPENTER who died 1782.) His wife Maria was the
daughter of Deobold Christler, so mentioned in his will, 1776. The
Garr Gen., 67 notes this marriage but strangely fails to give names of
their children. There was one other child, not given to the Register,
namely, Margaret (Peggy) Carpenter, who died single. The other
children married as follows: Solomon Carpenter b. Nov. 20, 1761, to
Hannah Carpenter, daughter of Andrew Carpenter. Dina Carpenter, b.
June 15, 1764 to George Utz. Rebecca Carpenter, b June 14, 1767 to
Michael Miller. Andreas , b. July 19, 1770,(Andrew) Carpenter to
Elizabeth Konslar. Aaron Carpenter b. Oct. 18, 1773, to Elizabeth
Aylor. Moses Carpenter christened Nov. 5, 1775, to Anna Souther. and
Ephriam Carpenter b. Aug. 26. 1781, to Nancy Crigler. Sponsors:
Wilhelm Carpenter was brother of Michael. Maria Carpenter was wife of
William, nee Wilhoit. Heinerich Christler was brother of Maria, and
Elizabeth Christler was either this Heinerich's wife of wife of his
brother Adam Christler.
Does anyone know who this William is and what family he belongs to?
Descendants of Maud B. Annable
Maud B. Annable b: 1874 in Springdale, MI
.. +George VanSiclen
*2nd Husband of Maud B. Annable:
.. +William Carpenter m: July 19, 1892 in Big Rapids, McCosta Cty, MI
Audrey
I got this from another list Interesting data on a new race of people in the
early virginia colony.
The Melungeon Connection
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Are you familiar with the term Melungeon? If you answer, "Who or what are
Melungeons," you are like most people. If you have been researching your
family in the Cumberland Plateau of Virginia, Kentucky, North Carolina, West
Virginia, and Tennessee, during the early migration years, you may be able
find them through a connection to this newly re-discovered group of people.
The Melungeons are a people of apparent Mediterraneaan descent who may have
settled in the Appalachian wilderness as early or possibly earlier than
1567. According to Dr. N. Brent Kennedy, the author of 'The Melungeons: The
Resurrection of a Proud People', the Melungeons were "a people who almost
certainly intermarried with Powhatans, Pamunkeys, Creeks, Catawbas, Yuchis,
and Cherokees to form what some have called, perhaps a bit fancifully, 'a
new race'."
Certain surnames are associated with this unusual and highly interesting
group of people. This is absolutely THE MOST fascinating thing I have EVER
run into in my 20 years of researching.
The Melungeons were 'discovered' in the Appalachian Mountains in 1654 by
English explorers and were described as being 'dark-skinned with fine
European features," (meaning they were not black) and as being 'a hairy
people, who lived in log cabins with peculiar arched windows,' (meaning they
were not Indians). They practiced the Christian religion, and told the
explorers in broken Elizabethan English, that they were 'Portyghee,' but
were described as being 'not white,' that is, not of Northern European
stock, even though some of them had red hair and others had VERY striking
blue or blue/green eyes. This is something I had never heard of. I mean, I
learned in school about the Lost Colony and Jamestown in 1607, Plymouth in
1620, with a few Spaniards and a smattering of Vikings thrown in for good
measure. Where did these people come from? Recent research is answering that
question. And it appears that they may be a combination of Turks, Spaniards,
Portugese, Moor, Berber, Jew and Arab.
The Melungeon descendants have some rather unique physiological
characteristics. There is a bump on the back of the head of some
descendants, that is located at mid-line, just above the juncture with the
neck. It is about the size of half a golf ball or smaller. If you cannot
find the bump, check to see if you like some descendants, including myself,
have a ridge, located at the base of the head where it joins the neck,
rather than the Anatolian bump. My ridge is quite noticeable. It is larger
than anyone else's that I have felt. I can lay one finger under it and the
ridge is as deep as my finger is thick. Other ridges are smaller. To find a
ridge, place your hand at the base of your neck where it joins your
shoulders, and on the center line of your spine. Run your fingers straight
up your neck toward your head. If you have a ridge, it will stop your
fingers from going on up and across your head.
There is also a ridge on the back of the first four teeth (upper and lower)
of some descendants. If you place your fingernail at the gum line and gently
draw (up or down) you can feel it and it makes a slight clicking sound. The
back of the teeth also curve outward rather than straight as the descendants
of anglo-saxon parentage do. Teeth like these are called Asian Shovel Teeth.
Some descendants have what is called an Asian eyefold. This is rather
difficult to describe. At the inner corner of the eye, the upper lid
attaches slightly lower than the lower lid. That is to say that it overlaps
the bottom lid. If you place your finger just under the inner corner of the
eye and gently pull down, a wrinkle will form which makes the fold more
visible. Some people call these eyes, "sleepy eyes, dreamy eyes, bedroom
eyes."
Some families may have members with fairly dark skin who suffer with
vitiligo, a loss of pigmentation, leaving the skin blotched with white
patches. Some descendants have had six fingers or toes. There is a family of
people in Turkey whose surname translated into English is "Six Fingered
Ones."
There are some Mediterranean diseases which show up in some of the
descendants of the Melungeons. Some of these diseases can be quite severe,
even life threatening, and if you or a family member have suffered from a
mysterious illness, I can give you the names of these, but there is ongoing
research into some areas that are less severe, but which pose problems for
some descendants who seem to suffer with them. Sleep problems, including
periodic limb movement, shaky (restless/active) leg syndrome, and sleep
apnea are among these. Allergies, including lactose intolerance, are
another.
If your family has an Indian Grandmother (father) 'myth' which you have been
unable to prove, and they have been hard to trace and they lived in NC, TN,
KY, VA, WV areas in the early migration years or if they seem to have moved
back and forth in these areas and if they share any of the mentioned
surnames and characteristics, you may find a connection here. Some
descendants do not show the physical characteristics and of course, there
are many people with the surnames who are not connected to this group.
Dr. N. Brent Kennedy author of, 'The Melungeons: The Resurrection of a Proud
People,' started the recent research into this group of people. His book is
a must read for anyone who is connected to this group. Most bookstores can
order this book in paperback for you. Dr. Kennedy documents his own family
tree in the book and gives some startling theories which are being confirmed
by current researchers. He mentions the need to hide the family connection
to the Melungeon community as the main reason our Melungeon ancestors are so
hard to find.
Why would anyone want to hide their family's background? These proud,
strong, courageous, people were discriminated against by their Scots-Irish
and English neighbors as they moved into the areas where the Melungeons
lived. They wanted the rich valley lands occupied by the Melungeons they
found residing there. They discriminated against the Melungeons because they
were darker skinned than their own anglo-saxon ancestors and because this
helped them obtain the lands they coveted. This discrimination carried into
the 1940's-50's and perhaps even longer because of the work of a man called
Plecker who was the state of Virginia's Director of Vital Statistics and an
avowed racist. He labeled the Melungeons, calling them mongrels and other
worse terms - some were labeled FPC - Free Person of Color in Virginia. This
in turn led to their children being labeled as Mulatto (M) and both of those
terms came to mean "BLACK." If you find such a term for any of your
ancestors, it does not necessarily mean that they actually were black. Some
Melungeon families married white, some black, some Indian, some a
combination. But for all of them the terms led to rulings in which they
couldn't own property, they couldn't vote, and they couldn't school their
children. Is it any wonder that they became ANYTHING else in order to do
these things? They hid their backgrounds with the Indian myth, with the
orphan myth (my family are all dead) , and the adopted myth, and they
changed either the spelling of their surnames or they picked an entirely new
name, moving many times, anything to distance themselves from their
Melungeon heritage. They became 'Black Dutch,' 'Black Irish,' or some other
combination to hide their "otherness." Is it any wonder they are so hard to
find?
My own Melungeon family were Collinses that were connected with the
Cunningham family. It took me twenty years of searching to find only this
little bit of information on them. I have this:
William Cunningham b. abt 1777 in VA, d. aft 1850, prob in Johnson Co.,KY m.
Rachel ? (may be Countiss) b. abt 1791 in MD
Issue:
Maca/Macha Cunningham b. abt 1826
Peter Cunningham, b. abt 1828
William Cunningham b. abt 1830
Johnathan Cunningham, b. abt 1833
Timothy Cunningham, b. abt 1838
Will Collins d. 1848-1850, m. Maca/Macha Cunningham b. abt 1826.
Issue:
Mary Collins b. abt 1843 in Wise, VA, d. 1915 Johnson Co. KY. was a partner
of Abraham Musick
Rachel Collins b. Jan. 01, 1844 d. 1914, m. Abraham Musick
Charles Collins, b. abt 1848
Christopher Collins, b. abt 1850.
I have some additional information on my greatgrandmother Mary Arminta
Musick Hager whose mother was Mary Collins. This information and a list of
other surnames I am researching can be found at NANCY'S CORNER.
Below is a listing of common Melungeon surnames. Please be sure to contact
me if you are researching any surnames in common with these.
I will look forward to hearing from you.
Nancy
Common Melungeon Surname List ****North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee,
Kentucky
ADAMS ADKINS BARKER BARNES BECKLER BELCHER BELL BENNETT BERRY BIGGS BOLEN
BOLTON BOWLIN BOWLING BOWMAN BRANHAM BROGAN BULLION BURTON BYRD CAMPBELL
CARRICO CARTER CASTEEL CAUDILL CHAVIS CLARK COAL COFFEY COLE COLEMAN COLES
COLLEY COLLIER COLLINS COLLINSWORTH COLYER COUNTS COX COXE CROW CUMBA CUMBO
CUMBOW CURRY DAVIS DENHAM DOOLEY DORTON DULA DYE ELY EVANS FIELDS FREEMAN
FRENCH GALLAGHER GANN GARLAND GIBSON GOINGS GORVENS GOWAN GOWEN GRAHAM GWINN
HALL HAMMOND HENDRICKS HENDIRX HILL HILLMAN HOPKINS JACKSON KEITHE KENNEDY
KISER LAWSON LOPES LUCAS MAGGARD MALONE MARTIN MINER MINOR MIZER MOORE
MORLEY MOSELY MOZINGO MULLINS NASH NICCANS NOEL ORR OSBORN OSBORNE PERRY
PHELPS PHIPPS POLLY POWERS PRUITT RAMEY RASNICK REAVES REEVES RICE RIDDLE
RIVERS ROBERSON ROBERTSON ROBINSON SEXTON SHEPHARD SHORT SIZEMORE STALLARD
STANLEY STEEL SWINDALL TACKETT TAYLOR TIPTON TOLLIVER TURNER VANOVER WATTS
WHITE WHITED WILLIAMS WILLIS WILSON WRIGHT WYATT
Please take a look if your COLES family came from or passed through these
areas,
or has an Indian grandparent 'myth' which you have been unable to prove, a
ship-wrecked or adoption story, mentions of 'Portyghee,' Black
Dutch/Scot/Irish
etc ancestry or is simply one of those 'brick-wall' families. There are
physical
characteristics noted on my site which may help identify descendants.
THE MELUNGEON HEALTH EDUCATION AND SUPPORT NETWORK:
http://www.melungeonhealth.org
Melungeon Information and Common Surname List:
http://members.home.net/sparkys9/melungeons.html
MelungeonDNA info
http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/inn/1024/DNAannouce.html
FIBROMYALGIA in YOUR family? INHERITED? Maybe - See:
http://www.holisticonline.com/Remedies/CFS/fib_causes_nancy.htm
This site is searchable:
Sparks Genealogy: http://SparksGenealogy.net
For Melungeon info:
(Select: Index/Nancy's Corner/The Melungeon Connection)
(Select: Index/The Melungeon Media Release)
Searching SPARKS, HAGER, JAYNE, RAMEY/REMY, COLLINS, MUSICK, WALKER, PORTER
MAYO, CAREY/CARY NAPIER,QUEEN, PERDUE, KELLEY, LETT, BELCHER
Please e-mail me directly if I can answer any questions: nmorri3924(a)aol.com
Nancy S.
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Hi Charley,
It's been a long time since we talked. You are correct, we have
traveled this road and since that time I located the allusive Benjamin a
short distance southwest of Factoryville, Pennsylvania in an area called
Carpenter Hollow. It is also interesting that his wife, who was the Grate
grandaughter of Hugh Baily, was born in Coventry, Kent Co, RI and
traveled with her husband to settle in a location about 1 1/2 miles west
of Bailey Hollow (now Dalton PA) that was founded by her brother George
Anson Bailey. There are also several other Carpenter Branches located in
this area.
The name of Matteson has shown up, but not in a significant way.
I have a Samuel J. Matteson who married Elizabeth Bailey, sister to
Freelove (Bailey) Carpenter. There is also an indirect relationship with
Hezekiah Matteson who married Margaret Westcott who is a relation by
marrage some where in the family, but this is a vary distent link.
Names in this branch other than Bailey are
Bonine-Brown-Capwell-Campbell-Colvin-Freeman-Kitt-Knight-Marvel-Montgomer
y-Prettyman-Rodkey- Shaw-Stultz-Wall-White-Whitman.
Jack
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:54:59 -0800 "Charlie Carpenter" <nktown17(a)home.com>
writes:
> Jack
>
> We've worked this line before. Would you be able to provide any
> surnames
> besides Bailey ? Has the Matteson family of West Greenwich,R.I.
> shown up
> anywhere ??
>
> Charlie C
>
> Charlie Carpenter
> Washington County,R.I.
>
> Johnny cakes are spoiled by Maple Syrup
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack A Schoedinger" <j.schoedinger(a)juno.com>
> To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Re: Benjamin Carpenter born abt 1774
>
>
> > Gene Z,
> > I have been tracking this Benjamin for several years.
> Consideration has
> > been given to Benjamins from other states but is over ruled by the
> fact
> > that all census records in Pennsylvania report that he and his
> wife
> > Freelove Bailey were of Rhode Island. His wife is verified as
> being of
> > Rhode Island. The only area I can consider is that he was of
> Joseph and
> > Hannah (Carpenter) Carpenter and ties in with the Musketa Cove,
> Queens,
> > LI, NY Carpenters. This Benjamin and his descendants were of
> Wyoming
> > County, PA after 1800.
> >
> > Jack Schoedinger
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:31:21 EST GeneZub(a)aol.com writes:
> > > << seeking parents of Benjamin Carpenter born abt 1774 in
> > > Coventry,Kent, Rhode
> > > Island. ... no record of a Benjamin Carpenter being born,
> marrying,
> > > having
> > > children and/or dying in Coventry prior to 1850.
> > > There were several Benjamin Carpenters of Coventry, Tolland
> Co.,
> > > Connecticut.
> > >
> > > Gene Z.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Jack
We've worked this line before. Would you be able to provide any surnames
besides Bailey ? Has the Matteson family of West Greenwich,R.I. shown up
anywhere ??
Charlie C
Charlie Carpenter
Washington County,R.I.
Johnny cakes are spoiled by Maple Syrup
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack A Schoedinger" <j.schoedinger(a)juno.com>
To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Re: Benjamin Carpenter born abt 1774
> Gene Z,
> I have been tracking this Benjamin for several years. Consideration has
> been given to Benjamins from other states but is over ruled by the fact
> that all census records in Pennsylvania report that he and his wife
> Freelove Bailey were of Rhode Island. His wife is verified as being of
> Rhode Island. The only area I can consider is that he was of Joseph and
> Hannah (Carpenter) Carpenter and ties in with the Musketa Cove, Queens,
> LI, NY Carpenters. This Benjamin and his descendants were of Wyoming
> County, PA after 1800.
>
> Jack Schoedinger
>
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:31:21 EST GeneZub(a)aol.com writes:
> > << seeking parents of Benjamin Carpenter born abt 1774 in
> > Coventry,Kent, Rhode
> > Island. ... no record of a Benjamin Carpenter being born, marrying,
> > having
> > children and/or dying in Coventry prior to 1850.
> > There were several Benjamin Carpenters of Coventry, Tolland Co.,
> > Connecticut.
> >
> > Gene Z.
>
>
>
<< seeking parents of Benjamin Carpenter born abt 1774 in Coventry,Kent, Rhode
Island. ... no record of a Benjamin Carpenter being born, marrying, having
children and/or dying in Coventry prior to 1850. >>
There were several Benjamin Carpenters of Coventry, Tolland Co., Connecticut.
Gene Z.
Gene Z,
I have been tracking this Benjamin for several years. Consideration has
been given to Benjamins from other states but is over ruled by the fact
that all census records in Pennsylvania report that he and his wife
Freelove Bailey were of Rhode Island. His wife is verified as being of
Rhode Island. The only area I can consider is that he was of Joseph and
Hannah (Carpenter) Carpenter and ties in with the Musketa Cove, Queens,
LI, NY Carpenters. This Benjamin and his descendants were of Wyoming
County, PA after 1800.
Jack Schoedinger
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:31:21 EST GeneZub(a)aol.com writes:
> << seeking parents of Benjamin Carpenter born abt 1774 in
> Coventry,Kent, Rhode
> Island. ... no record of a Benjamin Carpenter being born, marrying,
> having
> children and/or dying in Coventry prior to 1850.
> There were several Benjamin Carpenters of Coventry, Tolland Co.,
> Connecticut.
>
> Gene Z.
Information
This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.