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Dear Gene,
I have been wondering about the 1576 date for Willliam Carpenter father
of William Carpenter born 1605.
It appears the year of his birth is from the 1638 Bevis passenger list
which lists his age as 62. But could he have been older? Older
passengers were discouraged because of the "rigours" of sailing. But
what if?
BOOK- GENEALOGY: PER "GENEALOGICAL & FAMILY HISTORY OF WESTERN NEW YORK"
LEWIS, 1912: PAGE 1252, 53: ...was born in England in 1576. He came to
America with his wife and son William, in the ship "Bevis," in 1638, and
returned in the same ship to England. He was a resident of London.
PAGE 1318: ..., third son of William Carpenter, born 1576, was a
Carpenter by trade and resided in London. He rented tenements and
gardens in Houndsditch. Being a Dissenter, he was driven to Whirwell to
escape persecution, and took the opprotunity to join his sons in
emigrating to America. He was not contented on this side, however, and
returned to England in the ship which brought him.
The above note indicates he resided in London and he rented tenements
and gardens in Houndsditch. And he was the third son, not the first. Has
anyone rechecked this?
NOTE: Houndsditch is now a suburb of London. Look for Houndsditch
Road. Postal code is EC3A (7PB).
If William Carpenter b. abt. 1576 was older could he have allowed a
transposition of the year? IE 1567? Following this idea, I found the
following family group.
1. Robert CARPENTER-2 was born about 1540 in , , England.
Robert married (MRIN:1) Mrs. Robert CARPENTER-3. Mrs. was born about
1540 in , , England.
They had the following children:
2 M i. William CARPENTER-1 was christened on 2 Aug 1567 in Birchington,
Kent, England.
NOTE: Birchington is on the coast west of Margate (5-7 miles).
Birchington has been a resort town for centuries. All Saints Church
Birchington has been there since the early 1500s in one guise or
another.
I know this is pushing the probability, but your efforts to find the
crca 1576 William so far has come to naught.
Has anyone checked wills and property records near Houndsditch?
Thoughts?
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Dear Folks,
For a while, I have been intrigued by the name "Tomazin." The reference
to it is used below.
A Tomazin Carpenter came to America on 15 May 1635 in the Ship "Susan
and Ellen." Her age was given as 35. She was believed to be the elder
sister of William of Providence.
However, she is mostly likely is a cousin. She returned to England and
nothing more of her is found. Most likely the daughter from a first
marriage? (IE Mary Batt & William Carpenter).
(SEE: Tomazin Carpenter-22165 in the CE CD 2001)
The closest I have been able to find is the following family group.
1. Thomas CARPENTER-11 was born about 1525 in , Devon, England.
Thomas married (MRIN:4) Thamisin FOYCE-12. Thamisin was born about 1525
in , , England.
They had the following children:
2 M i. William CARPENTER-7 was christened on 28 Jan 1557 in of,
Broadhembury, Devon, England.
Relative: J. Hatten CARPENTER
William married (MRIN:3) Elizabeth BEACH-9. Elizabeth was born about
1557 in , Devon, England.
Has anyone run across this name (Tomazin / Thamisin), especially in the
relation to Carpenters? With such a name, you would think it would be
easy to trace the connection and use this as a lead. But ...
Curious,
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Years of spinal arthritis have taught me why people refer to
someone totally insufferable as a "Pain in the neck."
Tonight, blithely driving my kids home from seeing "Harry
Potter," and without a thought of genealogy in my head I learned
why people ssy that something "Struck them", for at precisely
9:18PM, like a well aimed bat, I was struck in the side of the
head by "SAMUEL".
I moaned audibly, and my son asked me if anything had hurt me.
"YES", I said "SAMUEL".
I had spent the earlier part of the day trying to find and to
prove the children of Abiah and the children of Oliver. Oliver's
horde left me cross-eyed. Somehow I had Samuel's Abiah's
birthdate on the wrong Abiah,
and, incredibly, even pasting it to the e-mail, I didn't "see"
it until it, very literally, HIT ME on the way home tonight.
I'd call it a "senior moment" but that would be unnecessarily
insulting to the elderly!!
Sharilyn
Shariley stated that Abiah was admitted as a freeman of R. I., in 1681,
which indicates that the son was born in 1660 or before. She also asks
was this Abiah admitted as a freeman of Rhode Island in 1681, and how so
if he was not born until 10 February 1664/65? this brought a question
to mind that I have never really asked. At what age were young men
considered adults and thus able to become Freemen? What I do know is
that when I moved to Maine in 1981, children could drop out of school at
age 16 and that the drinking age was changed to 18 years of age in 1980.
Was there a specific age (which I am inclined to think was 16 years of
age) or was maturity something the elders decided for their settlement
?????
Jack Schoedinger
Vital Record of Rehoboth, 1642-1896. Marriages, Intentions,
Births, Deaths, etc.
Births
Record #: 1:6
Name: Abiah Carpenter
Relative: chi:Samuell Carpenter; chi:Sarah Carpenter
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1665
Comment: 8 R
I'm unfamiliar with the meaning of the comment 8R. From other
sources, quoting Rehoboth Vital Records I have the date as 10
February 1664/5 which would seem the more accurate way to
express this date.
Amos B. Carpenter makes the following observation, speaking
first of Abiah's father, Abiah:
"We have not been able to learn by records or tradition to whom
or at what time Abiah was married, but we find that his son
Abiah was admitted as a freeman of R. I., in 1681, which
indicates that the son was born in 1660 or before.
Was this Abiah admitted as a freeman of Rhode Island in 1681,
and how so if he was not born until 10 February 1664/65?
Regards, and my thanks for any hel with this,
Sharilyn
Dear Jack,
Good Job! Good Cite!
Keep up the good work!
Happy Holidays!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
From: Jack A Schoedinger <j.schoedinger(a)juno.com>
Sun 5:43 PM
Subject: [CARPENTER] Freelove Fowler
To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
Hi all,
A while ago I played devils advocate and challenged the marriage of
Benjamin (b. 1762) to Freelove Fowler siting the fact that there were
other Freeloves in the area. One example was a Freelove Thorn, a quaker
who had married a Fowler, that could have been Benjamin's wife. Well
after a little research I located the real Freelove through the
"Abstracts of Wills Vol V 1754-1760, The New York Historical Society,
1896. on Page 56". The abstract is as follows:
Page 223.--In the name of God, Amen, January 3, 1755. I, MOSES FOWLER,
of
North Castle, in Westchester County, Innkeeper, being very sick. I leave
to my wife Elizabeth the best bed and furniture, and one cow, one horse,
"and a green plush side saddle and a bridle." Out of the remainder of my
personal estate all debts and funeral charges to be paid, and of what is
left my wife is to have 1/3. I leave to my beloved sons, Henry and
Newbury Fowler, all the farm where I now live, being in North Castle,
with the house, barn, and orchard, to be divided when my eldest son
Henry
shall be 21, Also all my piece of land in the East Patent in North
Castle. I leave to my eldest son Henry my silver pike, which was given
to
me by my beloved father, William Fowler, in his will, and I leave to my
youngest son Newbury my scimetar which was given to me by my father in
his will. I leave to my daughter, Freelove Fowler, 1/3 of movable
estate,
"and if it should not turn out 40, my son Henry shall make it up." To
my
daughter, Esther Fowler, I leave 1/3 of movable estate, and if it does
not amount to 40, my son Newbury is to make it up. My wife is to have
the use of all the farm where I now live so long as she remains my
widow.
I make my brother, Caleb Fowler, and my brother in law, Samuel Haight,
executors. If they both die, then my brother in law, Robert Dickinson,
and Peter Totten, Jr.
Witnesses, Samuel Dean, David Lane, Gershom Miers. Proved, April 3,
1755.
In this abstract it sets the Fowler line, has the proper location and
friends and also answers who Benjamin's son Henry was named after.
Jack
The earliest record of William of Rehoboth (c.1605-1658[/9?]) is found not in
the 1638 BEVIS passenger list (which shows his immediately previous residence
as Wherwell, Hampshire) but in Bishops' Transcripts of the records of the
Parish Church of Shalbourne, Wiltshire(/Berkshire), England, where in 1625
William married Abigail Briant and between 1626 and 1636/7 their first five
children were baptized (TAG 70[1995]:193-204, at 193-94, 203-4). The
baptismal record of their fifth child, Samuel (bap. 1 Mar. 1636[/7], bur. 20
Apr. 1637), is the only Shalbourne record referring to William as "Junior."
This and the absence of a Shalbourne baptismal record for him suggest that
his father, William (b. c.1576), had joined his son there before Samuel's
baptism but after that in 1634 of the previous child, Joseph, and that
neither William was native to the parish (ibid., 194).
Hoping to identify the parentage of Rehoboth William's father (which, despite
what you may read, IS PRESENTLY NOT KNOWN), I have been searching the records
of parishes surrounding Shalbourne. My previous search reports may be found
in Carpenter Digest Archives at "Parish-Record Search," Vol. 01 (2001), No.
179, and "Shalbourne-Vicinity Records Search," Vol. 01, No. 198.
Recently I searched the following records: Parish Church Register, Froxfield,
Wiltshire, 1561-1751 (FHL microfilm 1279364, item 16); Parish Church of
Ramsbury, Wiltshire, Bishops' Transcripts, 1589-1640 (FHL microfilm 1279421,
item 6); and Parish Church of Little Bedwin, Wiltshire, Bishops' Transcripts,
1591-1692 (FHL microfilm 1279297, item 1).
No Carpenters whatsoever were found in the Froxfield or Ramsbury records
searched. Only one, of no readily apparent significance, was found in the
records of Little Bedwin: Richard Carpenter and Jone/Jane Heath were married
on 23 April 1622.
This concludes my records search in the vicinity of Shalbourne--not because
all potentially fruitful sources have been exhausted but because my time
(which seems to be slipping away at an alarming rate) can be more
productively spent reconstructing and confirming post-immigration ancestral
lines. I nevertheless encourage others to continue this line of
investigation. It is far more likely to produce reliable data than the
speculations, based on little or no primary research and sloppy reasoning,
that presently dominate electronic and print accounts of Carpenter ancestry.
Gene Z.
The earliest record of William of Rehoboth (c.1605-1658[/9?]) is found not in
the 1638 BEVIS passenger list (which shows his immediately previous residence
as Wherwell, Hampshire) but in Bishops' Transcripts of the records of the
Parish Church of Shalbourne, Wiltshire(/Berkshire), England, where in 1625
William married Abigail Briant and between 1626 and 1636/7 their first five
children were baptized (TAG 70[1995]:193-204, at 193-94, 203-4). The
baptismal record of their fifth child, Samuel (bap. 1 Mar. 1636[/7], bur. 20
Apr. 1637), is the only Shalbourne record referring to William as "Junior."
This and the absence of a Shalbourne baptismal record for him suggest that
his father, William (b. c.1576), had joined his son there before Samuel's
baptism but after that in 1634 of the previous child, Joseph, and that
neither William was native to the parish (ibid., 194).
Hoping to identify the parentage of Rehoboth William's father (which, despite
what you may read, IS PRESENTLY NOT KNOWN), I have been searching the records
of parishes surrounding Shalbourne. My previous search reports may be found
in Carpenter Digest Archives at "Parish-Record Search," Vol. 01 (2001), No.
179, and "Shalbourne-Vicinity Records Search," Vol. 01, No. 198.
Recently I searched the following records: Parish Church Register, Froxfield,
Wiltshire, 1561-1751 (FHL microfilm 1279364, item 16); Parish Church of
Ramsbury, Wiltshire, Bishops' Transcripts, 1589-1640 (FHL microfilm 1279421,
item 6); and Parish Church of Little Bedwin, Wiltshire, Bishops' Transcripts,
1591-1692 (FHL microfilm 1279297, item 1).
No Carpenters whatsoever were found in the Froxfield or Ramsbury records
searched. Only one, of no readily apparent significance, was found in the
records of Little Bedwin: Richard Carpenter and Jone/Jane Heath were married
on 23 April 1622.
This concludes my records search in the vicinity of Shalbourne--not because
all potentially fruitful sources have been exhausted but because my time
(which seems to be slipping away at an alarming rate) can be more
productively spent reconstructing and confirming post-immigration ancestral
lines. I nevertheless encourage others to continue this line of
investigation. It is far more likely to produce reliable data than the
speculations, based on little or no primary research and sloppy reasoning,
that presently dominate electronic and print accounts of Carpenter ancestry.
Gene Z.
The earliest record of William of Rehoboth (c.1605-1658[/9?]) is found not in
the 1638 BEVIS passenger list (which shows his immediately previous residence
as Wherwell, Hampshire) but in Bishops' Transcripts of the records of the
Parish Church of Shalbourne, Wiltshire(/Berkshire), England, where in 1625
William married Abigail Briant and between 1626 and 1636/7 their first five
children were baptized (TAG 70[1995]:193-204, at 193-94, 203-4). The
baptismal record of their fifth child, Samuel (bap. 1 Mar. 1636[/7], bur. 20
Apr. 1637), is the only Shalbourne record referring to William as "Junior."
This and the absence of a Shalbourne baptismal record for him suggest that
his father, William (b. c.1576), had joined his son there before Samuel's
baptism but after that in 1634 of the previous child, Joseph, and that
neither William was native to the parish (ibid., 194).
Hoping to identify the parentage of Rehoboth William's father (which, despite
what you may read, IS PRESENTLY NOT KNOWN), I have been searching the records
of parishes surrounding Shalbourne. My previous search reports may be found
in Carpenter Digest Archives at "Parish-Record Search," Vol. 01 (2001), No.
179, and "Shalbourne-Vicinity Records Search," Vol. 01, No. 198.
Recently I searched the following records: Parish Church Register, Froxfield,
Wiltshire, 1561-1751 (FHL microfilm 1279364, item 16); Parish Church of
Ramsbury, Wiltshire, Bishops' Transcripts, 1589-1640 (FHL microfilm 1279421,
item 6); and Parish Church of Little Bedwin, Wiltshire, Bishops' Transcripts,
1591-1692 (FHL microfilm 1279297, item 1).
No Carpenters whatsoever were found in the Froxfield or Ramsbury records
searched. Only one, of no readily apparent significance, was found in the
records of Little Bedwin: Richard Carpenter and Jone/Jane Heath were married
on 23 April 1622.
This concludes my records search in the vicinity of Shalbourne--not because
all potentially fruitful sources have been exhausted but because my time
(which seems to be slipping away at an alarming rate) can be more
productively spent reconstructing and confirming post-immigration ancestral
lines. I nevertheless encourage others to continue this line of
investigation. It is far more likely to produce reliable data than the
speculations, based on little or no primary research and sloppy reasoning,
that presently dominate electronic and print accounts of Carpenter ancestry.
Gene Z.
The earliest record of William of Rehoboth (c.1605-1658[/9?]) is found not in
the 1638 BEVIS passenger list (which shows his immediately previous residence
as Wherwell, Hampshire) but in Bishops' Transcripts of the records of the
Parish Church of Shalbourne, Wiltshire(/Berkshire), England, where in 1625
William married Abigail Briant and between 1626 and 1636/7 their first five
children were baptized (TAG 70[1995]:193-204, at 193-94, 203-4). The
baptismal record of their fifth child, Samuel (bap. 1 Mar. 1636[/7], bur. 20
Apr. 1637), is the only Shalbourne record referring to William as "Junior."
This and the absence of a Shalbourne baptismal record for him suggest that
his father, William (b. c.1576), had joined his son there before Samuel's
baptism but after that in 1634 of the previous child, Joseph, and that
neither William was native to the parish (ibid., 194).
Hoping to identify the parentage of Rehoboth William's father (which, despite
what you may read, IS PRESENTLY NOT KNOWN), I have been searching the records
of parishes surrounding Shalbourne. My previous search reports may be found
in Carpenter Digest Archives at "Parish-Record Search," Vol. 01 (2001), No.
179, and "Shalbourne-Vicinity Records Search," Vol. 01, No. 198.
Recently I searched the following records: Parish Church Register, Froxfield,
Wiltshire, 1561-1751 (FHL microfilm 1279364, item 16); Parish Church of
Ramsbury, Wiltshire, Bishops' Transcripts, 1589-1640 (FHL microfilm 1279421,
item 6); and Parish Church of Little Bedwin, Wiltshire, Bishops' Transcripts,
1591-1692 (FHL microfilm 1279297, item 1).
No Carpenters whatsoever were found in the Froxfield or Ramsbury records
searched. Only one, of no readily apparent significance, was found in the
records of Little Bedwin: Richard Carpenter and Jone/Jane Heath were married
on 23 April 1622.
This concludes my records search in the vicinity of Shalbourne--not because
all potentially fruitful sources have been exhausted but because my time
(which seems to be slipping away at an alarming rate) can be more
productively spent reconstructing and confirming post-immigration ancestral
lines. I nevertheless encourage others to continue this line of
investigation. It is far more likely to produce reliable data than the
speculations, based on little or no primary research and sloppy reasoning,
that presently dominate electronic and print accounts of Carpenter ancestry.
Gene Z.
Hi everyone: I have just joined this list in quest of the ancestors of Phoebe Carpenter born about 1776, who married Levi Hughes about 1794. They were Pennsylvania Quakers who lived for a while in Berks County and then moved to Upper Canada (now Ontario) in 1805.
I was quite excited a week or so ago to discover the Carpenter family of West Bradford, leading through William Carpenter and Margaret Wiley to John Carpenter and Hannah Walter. The Phoebe who was daughter to the latter couple was born in 1770 in West Bradford, but according to the Family Search site she married an Abraham Baily in 1789. According to the same site he lived until 1825 so, short of a divorce (highly unlikely at the time I would think) this would preclude her marrying Levi Hughes five years later. Unless there is a mistake then, these Phoebes cannot be one and the same. Does anyone know whether there is an error in this information about Abraham Baily?
If not, does anyone know of the Phoebe who married Levi Hughes, or of a Carpenter family who went to Berks County in the mid-1700s? John Ausman, Ottawa, Canada
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Suzanne writes:
<< I don't know if they are on microfilm; I would assume so. These
abstracted files are the ones you can send for and have photocopies mailed to
you from the National Archives. >>
GENEALOGICAL ABSTRACTS OF REVOLUTIONARY WAR PENSION FILES isn't on film, but
the files themselves are. Particularly since the National Archives now
charges $37 for a complete file of more than 10 pages ($14.75 for a packet of
up to 10 selected pages), it's much less expensive to order the appropriate
film (containing complete files) from FHL, through your local Family History
Center.
For more details about the National Archives and Record Administration's
current fee structure, the rationale behind it, options, appropriate forms,
etc., go to the following URL:
http://www.nara.gov/nara/1258fin.html
Gene Z.
Hi Betty,
The publisher of "GENEALOGICAL ABSTRACTS OF REVOLUTIONARY PENSION FILES" is:
National Historical Publishing Company
P.O. Box 539
Waynesboro, TN 38485-0539
A Google search says its website is <www.tbox.com>
I don't know if thye are on microfilm; I would assume so.
These abstracted files are the ones you can send for and have photocopies
mailed to you from the National Archives. They can get expensive if you
want more than one file, depending on how many pages of information there
are. Searching in these 3 volumes is the equivilent of having notes on
every Revolutionary pension file that exists! Now that there is an
everyname index, it's even easier to find out if one of your ancestors is
in them.
Hope this helps,
Suzanne Carpenter
in Michigan
Greetings from Fife Lake, MI. I have uploaded 90 photos of our CARPENTER,
CHELLIS, LOOMIS, ROGERS and other ancestors at:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292254761
Can anyone help identify our ancestors?
We are descended thru Samuel CARPENTER (b. 2-11-1787 VT d. 2-22-1864 MI)
md. (1) Cynthia ? b. abt 1801 d. 4-28-1867 (2) Roxalana NEWTON b. 8-14-1786
d. 12-11-1824).
-Their son Jason CARPENTER (b. 5-28-1820) md. Laurissa or Larissa LOOMIS (b.
3-25-1825 d. 1917) abt 1850.
-Henry Warren CARPENTER, son of Jason and Larissa, (b. bet 1850-1870 d.
1930) md. Hattie Asenath CHELLIS (b. 12-1-1865 d. 8-15-1891).
-Jason Merton CARPENTER, son of Henry and Hattie, (b. 10-14-1886 d.
4-8-1935) md. Agnes Mary ROGERS (b. 4-24-1891 d. 12-24-1970) December 7,
1911.
-Is anyone researching any of these lines? Be glad to swap and share info.
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Hi all,
A while ago I played devils advocate and challenged the marriage of
Benjamin (b. 1762) to Freelove Fowler siting the fact that there were
other Freeloves in the area. One example was a Freelove Thorn, a quaker
who had married a Fowler, that could have been Benjamin's wife. Well
after a little research I located the real Freelove through the
"Abstracts of Wills Vol V 1754-1760, The New York Historical Society,
1896. on Page 56". The abstract is as follows:
Page 223.--In the name of God, Amen, January 3, 1755. I, MOSES FOWLER, of
North Castle, in Westchester County, Innkeeper, being very sick. I leave
to my wife Elizabeth the best bed and furniture, and one cow, one horse,
"and a green plush side saddle and a bridle." Out of the remainder of my
personal estate all debts and funeral charges to be paid, and of what is
left my wife is to have 1/3. I leave to my beloved sons, Henry and
Newbury Fowler, all the farm where I now live, being in North Castle,
with the house, barn, and orchard, to be divided when my eldest son Henry
shall be 21, Also all my piece of land in the East Patent in North
Castle. I leave to my eldest son Henry my silver pike, which was given to
me by my beloved father, William Fowler, in his will, and I leave to my
youngest son Newbury my scimetar which was given to me by my father in
his will. I leave to my daughter, Freelove Fowler, 1/3 of movable estate,
"and if it should not turn out 40, my son Henry shall make it up." To my
daughter, Esther Fowler, I leave 1/3 of movable estate, and if it does
not amount to 40, my son Newbury is to make it up. My wife is to have
the use of all the farm where I now live so long as she remains my widow.
I make my brother, Caleb Fowler, and my brother in law, Samuel Haight,
executors. If they both die, then my brother in law, Robert Dickinson,
and Peter Totten, Jr.
Witnesses, Samuel Dean, David Lane, Gershom Miers. Proved, April 3, 1755.
In this abstract it sets the Fowler line, has the proper location and
friends and also answers who Benjamin's son Henry was named after.
Jack
Hello Annette,
The set, "Genealogical War Abstracts of Revolutionary War Pension Files"
covers ALL the states. According to my favorite book site, a 4th volume has
now been added. This is not a set that the average genealogist goes out and
buys.
Its cost is $565.00 for the 4-volume set! There are 399,096 entries in 5266
pgs.. Vol.4 is an every-name index of the first 3 volumes. It was first
published in
1990.It should be available at most major libraries with genealogical
holdings.
Suzanne Carpenter
Hello all,
In mentioning a resource to Jack Schoedinger that I commonly use, I
discovered that he had never heard of it. It's called"
"GENEALOGICAL ABSTRACTS of REVOLUTIONARY PENSION FILES" by Virgil D. White,
published by The National Historical Publishing Company, Waynesboro,TN
This is a huge 3-volume set (9" x 13" & 9" thick) which has abstracts of all
the Bible records, sworn statements, pension application forms, etc. which can
be found in the pension files in the National Archives in Washington D.C.
It includes such items as a list of children's names, parents names &
marriage date, siblings' names, places the applicant moved to, maiden names
of wives.
Be aware that these abstracts were taken from the original application
files that
we commonly send for and pay a lot of money for. This gives us a way to
examine the file BEFORE we buy it, as well as access a lot of original
material for clues to
our family history. Remember, there is a file for everyone who applied for
a pension or bounty land, even if they got rejected. In fact, some of the
rejected
applicants have the largest files, because they kept sending in
genealogical material to help get their application accepted.(The set has
over 4,000 pages)
Files vary in the amount of materials included, but the 4 pages of Carpenter
listings has been very helpful to me in trying to straighten out the mess of
John, Benjamin, Caleb, Barnard relationships.
Naturally, I thought everyone knew about this set, but I was wrong. To give
you a sample, I have copied the file of Thomas Carpenter here. He is a
brother to Barnard Carpenter and the son of John. THE ABBREVIATIONS ARE AS
THEY APPEAR IN THIS WORK. THE BOOK HAS A VERY GOOD KEY TO KNOW WHAT THEY
ALL MEAN.
page 548 Vol.I A-E:
CARPENTER, THOMAS,MARTHA #W18877,BLW#28585-160-55,NY Line,sol was b 29 Mar
1760
sol enl in Saratoga Cty NY sol m Martha Avery 25 Dec 1782 at Stanford in
Dutchess
Cty NY & she was b 17 May 1767 & sol d 9 Sep 1805, wid appl 29 Jun 1839 [in]
Montgomery Cty NY a res of Florida NY & she appl for BLW 21 May 1855 in
Montgom-
ery CTY NY aged 85 & was living with a daughter (not named), sol & wife had
10 children & 8 grew to maturity, children shown were: Ruth b 26 May 1785,
Mary
the 4th child b 8 Mar 1790 & m a man named Swoop or Servess (not plainly
written) &
in 1839 lived in Florida NY, William b 21 Apr 1792, David b 1 Aug 1794,
Thomas b
30 Sep 1796, Barnard b 22 Jul 1799, Marther[sic]20 Oct 1801 & Sarah b 12
Sep 1804
surviving children in 1855 were; Ruth, Mary, William, Thomas, Martha &
Sarah, also
shown in the family records were; Almira William b 18 Aug 1811 & d 28 Sep
1812,
David Carpenter d 31 Mar 1831, Hannah Carpenter d 12 Jul 1830, Thomas
Carpenter b
in Apr 1832, Barnet Carpenter d 23 Jan 1836 & was found 16 Mar 1836 [?],
Thomas
Carpenter b 6 Apr 1833, sol's brother Barnard & wife Phebe were res of
Boonville in
Oneida Cty NY in 1839 & Barnard Carpenter was aged 82 at that time. END OF
FILE
Look at all the dares & names in that file!! His brother Barnard's is even
better
because it tells the father's name & birth/marriage/death dates, sibling's
names,
and all the various places that Barnard moved, including WHEN he made each
of the moves.
If you haven't used this wonderful resource, give it a try. Many libraries
with
genealogical holdings should have this set.
Happy Hunting,
Suzanne Carpenter
Comstock Park, MI
Hi Stefani,
I have been reviewing all the data and comparing it to Daniel Hoogland
Carpenter's book and the data in John R. Carpenters CD . The net result
is that when you exclude the data in Mr. Ushers book the wills and
information support Daniel's work. There is the questions regarding who
the other Benjamin's are, other than "the Saddler", that required the
occupational titles, and where Daniel came up with the 1839 death date
for Benjamin, No. 199.
I have also looked at the family tree and can see why these questions
have created a "knot" in this family structure. We have fore of Joseph
Carpenter's (son of William of Providence) children that make up this
singular family tree. First, we have Caleb (1736-1826) the grate
grandson (via William and Benjamin) of Joseph and Hannah Carpenter who
married Amy (1738-1795) the grate grand daughter of Joseph and Hanna
Carpenter (Via Nathaniel and John). Than, when Amy dies Caleb marries
Zipporah who is also the grate granddaughter of Joseph and his second
wife, Ann Wicks (via John and John the hatter). Than lastly we have John
the hatter marring Charity Weeks who is the granddaughter of Joseph and
Ann Wicks. Confusing to say the least.!!! I have also included below two
additional Will Abstracts that belong in this family branch.
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>From The New York Historical Society Collections, this 1900 volume
features abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogates Office, City of New
York, from 1777-1783.
Bibliographic Information: Abstracts of Wills Vol IX 1777-1783, The New
York Historical Society, 1900.
Page 298.--"In the name of God, Amen. I, JOHN CARPENTER, of
Fredericksburgh, in Duchess County, yeoman, being weak in body. I leave
to my wife Hannah all my estate, both real and personal, during her
widowhood. I leave to my grandson, Caleb Carpenter (son of Gabriel
Carpenter), 50. To my grandson, Benjamin Carpenter (son of Ame
Carpenter, wife of Caleb Carpenter), 50. To my grandson, Joseph Crane
(son of Thamar, wife of John Crane), 100. To my grandson, Joseph Lewis
(son of Sarah, wife of Henry Lewis), 100. I leave all the rest to my
daughters, Ame, wife of Caleb Carpenter, Thamar, wife of John Crane, and
Sarah, wife of Henry Lewis. I appoint my trusty friends, Caleb Carpenter
and John Crane, executors."
Dated October 31, 1777. Witnesses, Caleb Carpenter, John Crane, Henry
Lewis. Proved, December 21, 1781, before Gilbert Livingston Esq.
Page 254
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>From The New York Historical Society Collections, this 1900 volume
features abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogates Office, City of New
York, from 1782-1784
phic Information: Abstracts of Wills Vol XII 1782-178, The New York
Historical Society, 1900.
Page 290.--In the name of God, Amen. I, JOSEPH CARPENTER, of the Manor of
Cortlandt, Westchester County, being in perfect health. All my just debts
and funeral charges and other expenses to be first paid. I leave to
Sarah, my well-beloved wife, the use of my estate during her widowhood.
Should she have a child or children during my life, the remainder, after
her third part for her use during her life is paid to her, is to return
to my children, payable at my executors' discretion. Should I die without
issue, and my wife should marry after taking her thirds of the remainder,
half of what remains in my executor's hands is to be equally divided
between my two nephews, Joseph Crane, son of John and Tamer Crane, and
Carpenter Lewis, son of Henry and Sarah Lewis, the other half equally
between the above named Joseph Crane and Carpenter Lewis, and Benjamin
Carpenter, son of Caleb and Amey Carpenter, and Caleb Carpenter, son of
Gabril Carpenter. I make my wife Sarah, and my trusty friends, Gilbert
Pinkney and Caleb Carpenter, executors.
Dated December 30, 1775. Witnesses, Jonathan Travis, jr.; Elijah Barto;
Moses Travis, of Westchester County, farmer. Proved, April 10, 1776.
Approved, March 9, 1784. Page 200
Looking for any possible help in finding info on the
children of Ruth Carpenter (daughter of Caleb
Carpenter, wife of John Kipp):
"The Kip Family in America" contains info on John Kipp
who was the son of James Kipp and Zipporah Carpenter.
John Kipp married Ruth Carpenter (b: Jan 24th, 1776).
"The Kip Family in America" lists the children of this
union as:
Lydia
Zipporah
Maria
Jesse*
Caleb
Henry
Joseph
William
* I am trying to determine if this Jesse is my G-G-G-G
Grandfather Jesse Kipp. My Jesse was born in NY
(1804), though later married in Canada, and eventually
settled in Grand Rapids, MI. Can anyone through their
resources identify the birthdates of the children of
John Kipp and Ruth Carpenter? Or provide any
additional info on these children that might help us
along? Thanks!!!
Scott
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