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carpenter wrote:
>
> I have just finished looking at Chuck Carpenter's scanned fingerprints
> for signs of Indian (Mongoloid descent) and realized there was a question
> along those lines
> I wished to ask other Carpenters. It is a tradition in my Rehoboth line that
> the skin between
> the second and third toes (from the big toe) joins those toes at a point
> higher than usual.
> Basically it is a web toe. It can be subtle or pronounced depending on the
> individual,
> but has always been present. A comparison with a non-Carpenter is best.
> Check your toes!
> BC
>
> >
> >That is really fascinating! I have always been aware that my toes had
this minor difference.
Debbie (Carpenter) McCue
New Hampshire John Carpenter has the toe. This raises the interesting
possibility that the Providence branch has the toe as well. John also
descends from Rehoboth Hannah. Providence Carpenters please check your
toes.
BC
Looking to connect:
" Amos Carpenter of Tiringham was born at Coventry ( CT) ye 21 0f 7 month 1755.
his wife Hannah was born Coventry the 1 st of 9 th month 1757
Huldah Carpenter was b. at Tiringham ye 6 of 1 st month 1794
Hannah Carpenter departed this life ye 21 of 1 mo. 1795
Anna Carpenter second wife was born at Nantucket ye 3rd of 11 mo. 1764
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Amos Carpenter was born at Coventry ye 12 ye 4 th mo. 1762
Hannah his wife was born at Cold Spring Little Ninepartners on the 1st of 6 mo. 1769
their daughter Hannah was born at East Hoosuck on the 27 th of 7 th mo. 1791
Their son John was bornat East Hoosuck on the 9 th of 5th mo.1793.
Lydia Carpenter was born the 4th of 10 mo. 1795 at East Hoosuck
Lydia Carpenter deceased the 4 th month 1796 and was decently entered the 6 month after.
Amos Carpenter Their son was born at East Hoosusk ye 10 th of 11 th mo. 1797 (?)
Their Daughter Martha was born at East Hoosuck ye 9 th of 6 mo. 1799
this was a entry in New England Historic Genealogical Register 1917
Vol LXXI , Boston, Ma.
You don't stop laughing because you grow old.
You grow old because you stop laughing.
I have just finished looking at Chuck Carpenter's scanned fingerprints
for signs of Indian (Mongoloid descent) and realized there was a question
along those lines
I wished to ask other Carpenters. It is a tradition in my Rehoboth line that
the skin between
the second and third toes (from the big toe) joins those toes at a point
higher than usual.
Basically it is a web toe. It can be subtle or pronounced depending on the
individual,
but has always been present. A comparison with a non-Carpenter is best.
Check your toes!
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: The Carpenters <carpgl(a)ismi.net>
To: <carp(a)tezukayama-u.ac.jp>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 12:37 AM
Subject: Quibbler again
> Yes, we all quibble. That's one of those genetic characteristics of our
> clan. We also like to laugh and kid around. I'm convinced you can tell a
> Carpenter by the way he/she argues minutiae and then jokes about it.
> Especially if the argument involves bushy eyebrows and significant noses!
> BTW, I agree with you that we need to be sure to share openly and
> generously any information, documents, histories, and other important
> evidence with our listmates. Everything.
>
> George
> ---
> George R. Carpenter
> carpgl(a)ismi.net
>
>
John,
One would hope that people would take these sources as what they obviously
are: piles of miscellaneous information submitted by anyone who chooses to
do so backed up by very little. The whole point of FTM records, or LDS
records, or any other internet records, as well as a lot of printed
records, is that they are not really records; they are unverified claims.
What do you do with unverified claims? You find the ones of interest to
you, and you try to verify them. If you verify them, you keep them.
Without verification, you view them as you would gossip: interesting
ideas, but where's the proof?
Of course, the fact that so much of this stuff turns out to be in error
shows that the hope I mentioned above is pretty optimistic.
George
---
George R. Carpenter
carpgl(a)ismi.net
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> ----- The last time I ck LDS on line it had 2 or 3 william Carpenter's
> merged together with loads of children ,of course that was when they
first
> came on line . I have not been there since. I think the biggest offender
of
> unproven or even unchecked Data is " World Family Tree Project. They
solicit
> family tree's put them on CD selling them ,as beginners believe is true
> family trees. A good Example is The Arnold Family on WFT -CD # 17 its
> connects to Ynir and the first kings of England Which is not fact it is
> still Controversial as much as De Melun . However they have mothers
having
> children before age 10 and 2 yrs after they die. Caveat Emptor Let the
Buyer
> Beware
> John L. Carpenter
I'm very confused about what Bruce has written. Considering all the
minutiae he has fought over on this list, and considering his constant
insistence on evidence, evidence, evidence, I'm wondering if this really is
the well-known Professor Bruce Carpenter, or if it is some sham Bruce who
lives in Japan and is just trying to confuse us with a giant hoax! In my
book, there's no way in Kyoto that the real Bruce would advocate using the
LDS data (or any other single source, much less one on the internet) as the
sole source for establishment of a person in his family tree.
So Bruce, are you there? Is it really you? :-)
Cousin George
---
George R. Carpenter
carpgl(a)ismi.net
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> Bruce writes that I am a quibbler, meaning, I suppose, that (A) he is
> not actually interested in the least in the birth of Peter Carpenter, or
> (B) he won't accept the fact that the LDS files are chock-full of
> errors. His assertion that we will be seeing Peter's name soon in a
> certain file on the web suggests that he really means "B", but it's hard
> to tell.
John Chandler
Why didn't Chandler simply say he had the published records and that
there were no notations for Stephen Carpenter? That would have been the end
of it. Being a quibbler, he is not interested in an exchange of useful
information.
Rather he is really interested in parading his ego.
BC
----- The last time I ck LDS on line it had 2 or 3 william Carpenter's
merged together with loads of children ,of course that was when they first
came on line . I have not been there since. I think the biggest offender of
unproven or even unchecked Data is " World Family Tree Project. They solicit
family tree's put them on CD selling them ,as beginners believe is true
family trees. A good Example is The Arnold Family on WFT -CD # 17 its
connects to Ynir and the first kings of England Which is not fact it is
still Controversial as much as De Melun . However they have mothers having
children before age 10 and 2 yrs after they die. Caveat Emptor Let the Buyer
Beware
John L. Carpenter
(NH )
You don't stop laughing because you grow old.
You grow old because you stop laughing.
There's a Walterboro in South Carolina, and the local media pronounce it
something like Woe tuh bro. Hey, any guess is worth a thought. Nice
place, sort of halfway between Charleston and Savannah. Are there
Carpenters in those two states?
George
----------
> From: John Carpenter <jcarp45(a)top.monad.net>
> To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Amos & Hannah Carpenter
> Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:20 PM
>
> any clues to this ancestry ?
>
> Amos Carpenter was born @ Coventry (? CT.) Ye 12 ye 4 th mo. 1762
> Hannah his wife was born @ Cold Spring Little Nine Partners on the first
6 mo. 1769
>
> or Samuel carpenter born Nov 13 , 1787 of Benjamin and Hannah Carpenter
of Waterborough ( ? state )
>
>
>
> John L. Carpenter
>
> You don't stop laughing because you grow old.
>
> You grow old because you stop laughing.
Hi I am looking for more information on this line of Carpenters. Does anyone
else have this line?
Est(h)er Carpenter, b. 18 Mar 1692, Swansey, daughter of Joseph Carpenter and
Mary unkn. Est(h)er m. George Beverly, b. 26 Jan 1690, d. 15 Jan 1781, m. 26
Jan 1715/16, Swansey, MA.
Children:
Issac, b. 10 July 1730, Swansey
Mary, b. 2 July 1717, Swansey, d. 17 May 1799, m. 1738, Benjamin Cole
Sarah, b. 24 July 1720, Swansey, MA, m. 29 Nov 1739, Joan Vace?
Tabitha, b. 18 Mar 1725, Swansey, MA,
George, b. ?, m. Bridget Plamer
Thanks,
Cheryl
any clues to this ancestry ?
Amos Carpenter was born @ Coventry (? CT.) Ye 12 ye 4 th mo. 1762
Hannah his wife was born @ Cold Spring Little Nine Partners on the first 6 mo. 1769
or Samuel carpenter born Nov 13 , 1787 of Benjamin and Hannah Carpenter of Waterborough ( ? state )
John L. Carpenter
You don't stop laughing because you grow old.
You grow old because you stop laughing.
Will of Thomas White of North Petherton,
dated 1 Oct. 5 Ed. VT
To be buried in the churchyard of Petherton aforesaid,
To my daughter Ann a "wenlnyg calfe".
To John White "a pair of hoses".
To Richard White "a pair of hoses".
To Stephen Nowell "a pair of hoses".
To John Rydon a pair of looms.
Residuary legatee, Tamsen my wife, whom executrix.
Witnesses: - John Will, vicar, John Pie, William Carpenter.
Proved 7 Oct. 1551
John, I have info on Samuel Carpenter of North Waterborough, York Cty, Maine. He is listed in the ABC
as family number 1020. However, I have from source docs that Benjamin (family number 573) and Hannah
had 12 children and ABC shows only six with very little name correlation between the two. Samuel was
the oldest of the 12 children of Benjamin and Hannah.
So, I wouldn't trust the info in ABC for Benjamin, and cant yet vouch for the ABC info for the family of
Samuel.
John Carpenter wrote:
> any clues to this ancestry ?
>
> Amos Carpenter was born @ Coventry (? CT.) Ye 12 ye 4 th mo. 1762
> Hannah his wife was born @ Cold Spring Little Nine Partners on the first 6 mo. 1769
>
> or Samuel carpenter born Nov 13 , 1787 of Benjamin and Hannah Carpenter of Waterborough ( ? state )
>
> John L. Carpenter
>
> You don't stop laughing because you grow old.
>
> You grow old because you stop laughing.
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Penny and Sharon,
I do the same. The FTM program has a notes page for each person, and I use
it a lot to lay out stories about the person, as well as sources for
information, explanations of conflicts in the sources, etc. One thing that
historians do is evaluate the sources before deciding what happened, and
there is a great deal of controversy over many historical "facts," partly
because of differing interpretations, and partly because of which sources
one uses. I think part of the fun of working on the family tree is that we
get to feel what it must be to be a historian. The best sources are
usually primary sources. These are eye-witness accounts, actual legal
documents and letters, etc., from the time and place in question. As
someone said, I go by the spelling the person himself used. My
GGgrandfather had a brother named Samuel CARPENTER. In the DAR list of
Sheds Cemetery in Madison Co., NY, his name is given as Samuel O.
CARPENTER. I have a genealogy newsletter that has it as Samuel D.
CARPENTER. On the actual headstone, it looks to me like a D. Then I was
looking for information on his father, and found the documents related to
his mother's will. Several of those documents were signed by Samuel D.
CARPENTER. To me, this was the end of the issue. If Sam'l. didn't know
his own name, then probably nobody did! I still have the DAR item in the
notes.
The headstone was contemporary, even if it may have been secondhand. The
DAR listing and the newsletter listing were both secondary sources, that
is, what someone said that someone else said. Sam's own signature,
however, is a true primary source, and I accept it as correct. Why is this
important? Well, there are many, many Samuel CARPENTERs from that time all
over America and elsewhere, and when I'm looking through a list of
Carpenter information, that D. can help me be sure I have the right person.
Maybe.
George
----------
>
> I also am relatively new in the genealogy game, having only been at it
about
> two years. In the beginning, I was flyng by the seat of my pants and
didn't
> know that sources were important. Now that I do, I try to be very
careful
> about citing my sources.
>
> However, what I have decided to do, is this: I don't make the decision
which
> is correct. I simply list all variations of any information and cite the
> source where that info came from. Should I be trying to determine which
is
> correct?
> Sharon
This is Elizabeth, nee Boyer, daughter of Jacob, wife of George Carpenter Jr.
In the Name of God Amen. I Elizabeth
Carpenter of the county of Rockingham & State of Virginia
do make and ordain this my last Will & Testament. To wit
First I will that my Just debts & funeral expenses be paid
and Secondly, I will Two Hundred Dollars, for the use of the Eight
children of my Brother in law Philip Teter, which is to be kept
on interest by my Executors, and one Eighth part of the
Sum thereof to be paid over to each of them as they arrive
at Legal age, repectively agreeable to their ?--but if it
Shall happen that any one or more of them shall die before
he or she shall arive at age as aforesaid, in that case the
Residue of them, or such of them as shall arive at such age
Shall have an equal dividend of the afforesaid Two Hundred
Dollars with Such Interest as Shall have accrued thereon at
Such period as their respective dividends shall become due
Thirdly I will the two cows which I now have to my two
sons John & Jacob Carpenter--And my two heffers to
the children of my said two Sons, and as Jacob Carpenter
with his fmily live at too great distance to recieve them
in kind, I leave the Value thereof in money to them in Luie
thereof.
Fourthly. I give to my Son-in-law- Sylvester K Fuller one Half
Dozen of my Pewter plates as a memorial.
5th I Give to my Granddaughter Elizabeth Carpenter, Daughter of
John Carpenter, one feather Bed , Bedstead & feather cover.
6th I Give to my Grand Daughter Elizabeth Carpenter, Daughter of Jacob
Carpenter, one other feather bed, not yet filled up,--and to my
Sister Susanna Teter the third feather bed & Bedstead on which I
(the next line is missing)
I also give to my Sister Susanna Teter, All my own
wearing apperal, And all the other wearing apperal in my
possession. I wish to be divided as I have given a memorandum
to my Son John Carpenter for that purpose--or Rather to Sally
Carpenter, wife of the said John Carpenter.
7th I will that my Housefold furniture not otherwise
disposed of be divided by my Son John Carpenter agreeable to
a memorandum given him for that purpose.
--Note it is my wish that the two Heffers above mentioned be divided
Thus: Jacob & William Carpenter, Sons of John Carpenter to have One
of them with Her Increase--And George & Jacob Carpenter, Sons of
Jacob Carpenter to have the Other with her Increase, where they
shall arrive at age respectively.
I give my brass Kettle & Thru Hackles Oven Dish, two cupborads
and a Dozen chairs to my two sons John & Jacob Carpenter to be
equally divided betwixt them--as well as whatever else may belong to me.
together with such of the Services of Billy as may be coming to one.--& ?
I will to my Yellow man Billy Linnen for Six Shirts, to be
paid to him when he shall become free agreeable to the will of my
late husband, to wit, three of low linnen, two of flax, and one
of Store Linnen.
Lastly I do hereby constitute my said two Sons John & Jacob Carpenter
Executors of this my last Will & Testament. In witness whereof
I have hereinto Subscribed my hand & affixed my seal this
22nd day of September 1818.
Elizabeth x Carpenter
signed sealed and acknowledged
in presence of us
(missing)
Rockingham Co Superior Court September
Term 1818
This Last Will and Testament of Elizabeth
Carpenter Decd was presented in court and proved by the
oaths of Mathias Miller & Samuel Bambridge
two Witnesses thereto & ordered to be Recorded and on
the Motion of Jacob Carpenter (one of the executors named
in said will who made oath thereto and together
with Henry J. Gambill his securety entered into and
acknowledged bond in the penalty of two thousand
dollars conditioned as the Law directs a certificate
is granted him for obtaining a probate in due
form Teste
H. J. Gambill CSCRC
I also am relatively new in the genealogy game, having only been at it about
two years. In the beginning, I was flyng by the seat of my pants and didn't
know that sources were important. Now that I do, I try to be very careful
about citing my sources.
However, what I have decided to do, is this: I don't make the decision which
is correct. I simply list all variations of any information and cite the
source where that info came from. Should I be trying to determine which is
correct?
Sharon
Dear Sharon,
If you have two birth dates, you will have to decide which one you list
first and which one you list in the notes.
I believe in listing all conflicting information. By citing sources and
word for word listings - you may discover why by additional information
later. When you change dates, places, et cetera by reasoning or finding
of data - state why in your notes.
Your decision is correct and wise!
Good Hunting!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
I have found out to do this by - the hard way.
Mhbthor(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> I also am relatively new in the genealogy game, having only been at it about
> two years. In the beginning, I was flyng by the seat of my pants and didn't
> know that sources were important. Now that I do, I try to be very careful
> about citing my sources.
>
> However, what I have decided to do, is this: I don't make the decision which
> is correct. I simply list all variations of any information and cite the
> source where that info came from. Should I be trying to determine which is
> correct?
> Sharon
Information
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