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I was asked for clarification for Carpenter family history from the 1200s
and my statement Gascon Carpenters came from England. A first generation
of merchant Carpenters can be traced to the Norwich vicinity in the 1230s,
Ralph, William and his son John. William Charpenter owned buildings adjacent
to the merchants fair. From the cellars such buildings would contain, we
can deduce wine was at least in part their trade commodity. The next
generation becomes financially established. Charpenters are part of the king
s household in 1256 in one of his principle households at Woodstock.
Evidence exists for a larger group of them in the nearby city of Oxford. One
of the Charpenters at Woodstock had holdings and activities at Oxford.
Oxford was the location of another of the kings residences. In 1254 the
Gascon Carpenters begin their activities. The principal Carpenter in
Bordeaux was a merchant with close ties to the king. He dealt in cloth and
wine. The Oxford Carpenters may have been similarly engaged. The third
generation of Carpenters extends their activities even further. The
descendants of the original Gascon Carpenters take up residence in cities
close to Bordeaux and engage in the wine trade between Bordeaux, London and
Lincolnshire ports. Other third generation Carpenters are merchant residents
of Lincolnshire. This same third generation of Carpenters move into the St.
Clement Danes area outside London proper, which becomes their principle area
of residence for the next century. A William Carpenter, and probable wine
merchant, was the first. An influential wine merchant, Edward Charpenter,
appears after him. Edwards son William
becomes a principle figure in the London economic life with ties to the
crown. His probable son Roger becomes one of the founders of the merchants
guilds in London. Roger also has ties to the crown. Rogers children are
adopted by the London mercers after his death in the mid century plague. The
prominent London Carpenters after this era are all mercers, culminating with
John the Town Clerk of London, one of the founders of the Mercers Guild.
Bruce Carpenter
On the cover of Jean le Carpentiers book his name is rendered Jean le
Charpentier. This is not really a mistake by Sellers. I have seen it as
Carpentier in older French references. Charpentier does seem to be the
version he used himself. Sellers did lead us astray by using the secondary
title of the book, and not the primary, which should be HISTOIRE
GENEALOGIQUE DE LA NOBLESSE DES PAIS-BAS. Charpentier tells us that
Carpenter history can be found in the works of Andre Duchesne (1584-1640). I
understand that his works are not yet microfilmed but are possessed in large
part in the Yale University Rare Book Collection. This is a thread that
needs to be followed. Other threads are the many books that deal with the
Gascon Carpenters of the 1200s. There is material I havent seen in
Cartulaire de Sainte-Croix, Livre des Bouillons, Le Livre des Coutumes and
Livre des Privileges. I think all these works can be found in a collection
entitled Archives historiques de la Gironde. I have good indication that the
Gascon Carpenters came from England about 1250. I have a pile of
untranslated and undeciphered material on this subject. We need to find the
best French medieval collection in the USA first. A private university like
Harvard or Stanford would be the logical starting place. I am putting my
money on Count Baldwin the Iron Arm as the ancestor of the Carpenters.
This is not an obsession. I am intrigued by Charpentiers les anciens &
illustres Seignuers de Gouy.
Bruce Carpenter
This Owen Carpenter went to Tippah Co. MS, dying there between 1852 and 1860.
He left KY along with the Morgan family (two sons married Morgan girls). One
of the Carpenter- Morgan combo was my gr-gr-gr-grpts.
Have to get off to work now, but this evening will give you more on Owen, and
what I know of wife and kids.
barb andrews
redondo beach, ca
Hartman wrote:
> More information on Owen and William Carpenter that left Kentucky after
> 1833 and went to Mississippi.
>
> Found a 1830 Census Sheet and found out that in 1830 in Calloway County,
> Kentucky, that Owen Carpenter was age between 50 and 60. So, that would
> make him born around 1780 or before, unless, like his wife, a mistake was
> made and he was between 40-50.
>
> William was between 20-30. Wm. was born ca 1810. Wm. was married to
> someone between age 15 and 20. No children. Wm. could have been Owen's son.
>
> Owen had a son 10-15, 15-20, 20-30, and 3 daughters under 5, 2 daughers
> 5-10 and a daugher 10-15 still at home. His wife was between 40 -50. If
> Temple Carpenter was born in 1769, this Owen might not have been his son.
Hello Fellow Carpenters,
I need help! Do any of you have a W. I. or W. L. Carpenter (born in the 1850's
in North Carolina), who married Polly Odom (born in 1854 in Tennessee) and they
had one son, George Wilburn Carpenter (born Jan. 30, 1883 and died Oct. 14,
1918). The only place I have found Polly and George Wilburn was on the 1900
Fannin
County, Georgia Census and Polly was listed as a widow. I don't have anything
on Polly Odom's Family or W. I. or W. L.'s Family. Do any of you have these
people in your family trees? Please contact me at jry(a)ellijay.com .
Thanks,
Jerry Carpenter
Margie, do you have any information on the William that went to MS? I have a
Martin Van Carpenter married Nancy Walker. He died in Washington Co., AL. She
was born Mobile County, AL, died Washington Co. Children were Alice, Florence,
John Walter, Madison (Matt), and Elizabeth Ann. Elizabeth Ann (Lizzie) married
William Coleman Copeland. They were my grandparents.
Any information you have on these Carpenters would be greatly appreciated. Also
the Walkers.
Charlie Copeland Grafton
Hartman wrote:
> Linda Lemmon wrote that her grandfather was Temple Carpenter b. 1769 in
> N.C. When she listed his children and that he died in Mississippi in 1839,
> I started getting excited.
>
> This is really, really, starting to looking promising. My grandfather John
> had a brother Owen. There was a William, but I thought that William was
> Owens son; maybe he wasn't. Now, I don't know that William wasn't a brother.
>
> I am looking for me grandpapie John Carpenter married around 1808. He was
> born in ca.1790 (where, I don't know). He is not in the 1830 census for
> Calloway County, Ky., but he owns 312 acres of land in Calloway County in
> the 1831 tax records. He had a daughter named Nancy born around 1812 (?).
> She married a Peter Egner who came from North Carolina. They married in
> Calloway County in 1831. Peter and Nancy Egner had a daughter named
> Elizabeth born in 1834 in Calloway County. She married Richard S. Evans
> from North Carolina in 1849 in Marshall County which had been split out of
> Calloway County.
>
> John had a brother named Owen and a nephew named William, or was William
> his brother, that went to Mississippi after 1833. thanks margie hartman
Hi Chelsea!
I most certainly will keep your email address on hand. I currently live in
Grand Rapids area but born and raised in Ingham County, MI. Grew up in
Okemos. Most of my Carpenters are from the Ingham, Eaton areas. However, my
grandfather moved to Cheboygan County in late 50's (Hugh J. Carpenter).
My family line is as follows:
Franklin Wayne Carpenter (my father - deceased in 1963).
Hugh J. Carpenter (my grandfather - deceased in 1963).
Frank W. Carpenter (my g-grandfather).
Cecil Corwin Carpenter (my gg-grandfather).
Daniel R. Carpenter (my ggg-grandfather born in NY around 1812).
(The first four Carpenter men were born in Michigan)
Daniel's wife:
Sally A. Wilson (born around 1817 NY - died in Eaton, MI age 45 years.)
I'm currently looking for links to Daniel and Sally since I have little
information on them.
Keep this information and I will get back to you late April as I'm leaving
for a vacation and have put my Carpenter records in the file for the time
being.
So glad to hear from another Michigan Carpenter!!
Sincerely,
Joana
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Subject: CARPENTER-D Digest V00 #71
If anyone does have info on Carpenters in MS, I have Carpenters in
Washington Co.,
AL., just across the AL-MS line.
Charlie Copeland Grafton
Hartman wrote:
>
> Sure would like to see some information printed on Carpenters in
> Mississippi after 1840 or before.
______________________________
I would love it too. My Carpenter was Temple Carpenter b. 1769 in NC died
Sept. 12, 1839 in Copiah County MS. Married Hannah Newton (dtr. of Nicholas
Newton) born about 1772 died Feb. 21, 1864 in Copiah County, MS
Children.
1. Amanda (Married Bartley James April 28, 1831) in Copiah County
2. Elizabeth
3. Emory Mathew Carpenter b. January 7, 1810 died January 18, 1890 (married
Jane Cunningham?)
4. John
5. Margaret
6. Martin
7. Mary
8. Owen
9. Solomon (died before 1855)
10. William
11. (My GG Grandmother) Sarah Carpenter (married Bartley James January 7,
1837 after her sister Amanda died) b. 1819 in Georgia died Unknown (sure it
was Copiah County, MS)
Do not know who Temple's parents are; LDS shows his parents as Jonathan
Carpenter (AFN:11R5-MSD and mother as Elizabeth (AFN:11R5-MTL). I believe
there was a Jonathan listed near him on census in NC but would not
necessarily be his father; however I have a copy of a page in the Moore Co.
Bible Project Vol. II which lists
under deaths:
Temple Carpenter (Son of THOMAS CARPENTER) died September 12, 1839 (Aged -
70 years)
It is titled
Bible of Matthew Carpenter and Jane ________ which corresponds with other
info I have listing son Mathtew married to Jane Cunningham.
One researcher suggested that his father was THOMAS OWEN CARPENTER the
Revolutionary War Soldier "Owen Carpenter" killed when he went home to see
his infant son. Have seen no proof even that his name was THOMAS Owen. His
date of birth was 1769 which would have been during this time. Does anyone
know the name of the infant son?
Sarah and her father, Temple, are as far as I can get in the Carpenter line
Linda Lemmon
More information on Owen and William Carpenter that left Kentucky after
1833 and went to Mississippi.
Found a 1830 Census Sheet and found out that in 1830 in Calloway County,
Kentucky, that Owen Carpenter was age between 50 and 60. So, that would
make him born around 1780 or before, unless, like his wife, a mistake was
made and he was between 40-50.
William was between 20-30. Wm. was born ca 1810. Wm. was married to
someone between age 15 and 20. No children. Wm. could have been Owen's son.
Owen had a son 10-15, 15-20, 20-30, and 3 daughters under 5, 2 daughers
5-10 and a daugher 10-15 still at home. His wife was between 40 -50. If
Temple Carpenter was born in 1769, this Owen might not have been his son.
Linda Lemmon wrote that her grandfather was Temple Carpenter b. 1769 in
N.C. When she listed his children and that he died in Mississippi in 1839,
I started getting excited.
This is really, really, starting to looking promising. My grandfather John
had a brother Owen. There was a William, but I thought that William was
Owens son; maybe he wasn't. Now, I don't know that William wasn't a brother.
I am looking for me grandpapie John Carpenter married around 1808. He was
born in ca.1790 (where, I don't know). He is not in the 1830 census for
Calloway County, Ky., but he owns 312 acres of land in Calloway County in
the 1831 tax records. He had a daughter named Nancy born around 1812 (?).
She married a Peter Egner who came from North Carolina. They married in
Calloway County in 1831. Peter and Nancy Egner had a daughter named
Elizabeth born in 1834 in Calloway County. She married Richard S. Evans
from North Carolina in 1849 in Marshall County which had been split out of
Calloway County.
John had a brother named Owen and a nephew named William, or was William
his brother, that went to Mississippi after 1833. thanks margie hartman
I have not been working on genealogy very long and I have Wilsene Scott and
Joe Carpenter to thank for most of my information.
I grew up in Rockingham Co VA and descend from George #1's son, George #2's
son, John. I'm still missing a lot of information on them.
John Carpenter married Sarah Warner, daughter of William Warner, decd. The
marriage bond is dated November 23, 1809 and signed by John Carpenter and
Henry Overby. John's will was found in John W. Wayland's "VA Valley
Records" printed in 1930, on pages 398-9. In his will he leaves his land
in KY, his land in Rockingham Co, and his mill on Smith Creek to his son
William. He also leaves William $4700. He names his wife, Sarah, and his
daughter, Eliza, wife of Enos Keezle." I have just this morning sent for a
copy of John's will. His will was dated July 13, 1841 and proved January
1842. The 1820 Census for Rockingham Co shows other children listed in the
household for John and Sarah, but at this time, I only know of the two who
were named in his will.
In the 1810 Rockingham Co Census, the only Carpenters named are George #2
and William, his half-brother. There are three males under the age of 10,
plus his wife, listed in William's household--plus one slave. For George,
there is a female aged 10-16 listed in addition to him and his wife; plus 6
slaves. There are two books entitled "Mills of Rockingham Co" compiled by
Janet Baugher Downs and Earl J. Downs with Pat Turner Ritchie. The first,
published in 1997, shows a mill in 1884-1885 in Lacey Spring (Rockingham Co
VA) owned by a Carpenter. Their second book, volume two, published in
1998, shows a mill being owned by John Carpenter in 1814-1815. In fact, in
the 1850 Census for Rockingham Co, James Reed, a 26 year old miller, is
listed in the household for William Warner Carpenter (whose occupation is
given as farmer).
Also in the 1850 Census for Rockingham Co is Enos Keezle's family. Those
listed are Enos, aged 43, farmer with real estate value of $6500. Eliza
(nee Carpenter, daughter of John and Sarah), aged 33; John aged 12;
William, aged 10; Phebe aged 8; George aged 6; Francis Karickhoff, aged 17;
Catherine Carpenter, aged 8; George Carpenter, aged 3. The latter two are
the children of William Warner Carpenter.
As for William, son of George #1, I have also sent a request for his
will. I have my suspicions as to who some of his children are in the 1850
Census, but I'd like a little more to go on. I do not know whether he is
the same as the Reverand William Carpenter of Madison, VA, but I suspect
not. He died before the 1850 Census, but his wife, Margaret, aged 68, is
found living with Henry Carpenter, a farmer aged 24, and his wife Lucy,
aged 20. Because of his young age, I suspect that Henry is Margaret's
grandson, but have no proof yet.
Sandra Huemann-Kelly has provided me with some Carpenter headstones from
Frieden's Cemetary in Rockingham Co. There is buried William
Carpenter. His tombstone says that he was born May 28, 1775 and he died
April 3, 1837. His wife, Margaret, nee Wheelbarger, is buried there
too. Her tombstone says that she was born November 5, 1782 and died
January 23, 1855. I'll fill in with their children when I know for sure.
As for William Warner Carpenter, son of John Carpenter and Sarah Warner, he
was born May 1, 1812. On September 21, 1837, he married Phebe Henton,
daughter of Evan Henton. Their marriage bond is signed by William
Carpenter and by Andrew Henton. William and Phebe had six children. This
information is found in the Carpenter Family Bible which is now owned by
Frank Earman.
1. Sarah J. Carpenter born February 11, 1838 was married to Abram
Armentrout November 11, 1857.
2. Margaret E. "Maggie" Carpenter, my gg grandmother, was born March 1,
1841and died May 10, 1919 (buried in Keezletown Cemetary, Rockingham Co
VA). On August 12, 1869 she married James K. Polk Earman, my gg
grandfather. He was the son of Samuel Earman and Margaret nee Ditman,
daughter of Jacob. James was born June 9, 1845 and died August 22, 1916
(buried in Keezletown Cemetary, Rockingham Co VA). He was a
carpenter. Maggie and James Earman had four children:
a. Rush Nicholas Eaman, 1872-1957. On January 15, 1914, he married Sally
Laird Huffman. They had two children, Rush and Frank.
b. Hiram Owen "Owen" Earman, 1874-1959. On January 24, 1910, he married
Katherine C. Sughrue.
c. Effie Lee Earman, my great grandmother was born December 1, 1878 and
died March 28, 1962 (buried in Keezletown Cemetary, Rockingham Co VA). On
April 7, 1901, she married Adam L. Harrison, my great grandfather. Their
children were Lewis/Louis Scott Harrison, Alliene Harrison, Grace Margaret
Harrison, Owen Harrison, Clara Harrison, and Earnest Earman Harrison (my
grandfather).
d. Paul Earman married Laura Rogers March 23, 1909. They had two
daughters; Hazel and Thelma.
3. Harriet Angeline Carpenter 1842- Nov 1848.
4. Catharine V. Carpenter was born May 5, 1843 and died February 7, 1910
(buried in Keezletown Cemetary, Rockingham Co VA). On April 11, 1880, she
married Henry Cox, son of Robert and Jane Cox.
5. John Even Carpenter was born May 1, 1846 and died May 5, 1850.
6. George William Carpenter was born February 20, 1847/8 and died in 1922.
I do not know when Phebe died or where she is buried, but on November 1,
1849, William Warner Carpenter married Hannah Henton. I do not know yet
whether she and Phebe were sisters. The marriage bond is dated October 31,
1849 and is signed by William Warner Carpenter and Silim? Sellers. The
1870 Rockingham Co Census includes James Henton, aged 70, in the household
of William and Anna/ Hannah. They had the following children:
1. Nancy Elizabeth Columbia Carpenter was born in 1851 and died on November
25, 1851 at the age of nine months.
2. Hannah Mary Manerva Warner Carpenter was born June 6, 1854 and married
Jacob W. Harrison, son of Abraham and Deliah (nee Rhodes)
Harrison. Abraham was also the grandfather of Adam L. Harrison above who
married Effie Lee Earman (#2c).
3. Andrew Pearson Overby Carpenter was born June 6, 1857 and died October
26, 1861.
4. Martha Fannie Josephine (looks like there was another small name that
I can't make out) Carpenter was born February 27, 1858 and died April 20,
1928. On May 23, 1901, she married Jacob W. Zetty.
5. Jacob Overby Carpenter was born March 26, 1859 and died May 19, 1859.
6. Thomas Warner Carpenter was born August 11, 1860.
7. Edward Hinton Carpenter was born October 5, 1863. On December 22,
1892, he married Ada Maideri?.
8. Delia May Carpenter was born April 11, 1865 and married John Jordan? in
March--no year given.
William Warner Carpenter died August 16, 1893 and is buried in the
Keezletown Cemetary, Rockingham Co VA. His wife, Hannah, died on February
25, 1906 and is buried at Mt Olive Cemetary in Pineville (Rockingham Co, VA)
That's it.
--Deb Wake
Looking for information on:
Henry (C.?) Carpenter born 1820 Virginia
Married to Grace Cary (Carrie) born 1825 Virginia
Would love to trade info.
Carolyn
If anyone does have info on Carpenters in MS, I
also would appreciate it if they would put it on
the list. I have Carpenters in Washington Co.,
AL., just across the AL-MS line.
Charlie Copeland Grafton
Hartman wrote:
>
> Sure would like to see some information printed on Carpenters in
> Mississippi after 1840 or before.
>
> I sure appreciate all the Ky Carpenters info comming through. Haven't found
> mine yet, but will in due time..Thanks margie hartman
"d'une bordure" should read "a une bordure". The shield should
be a basic silver with an engrailed blue border.
In the Sellers book the oldest flemish Carpentier arms is described
as a blue shield with a gold chevron. Two silver crescents are above
the chevron and one below. In the Jean le Carpentier book these arms
are listed as fourth and asscociated with the Marigny branch.
"Marigny porte d'azur au chevron d'or, accompagne de 3 coiffants 'd'argent."
BC
John
What about these Carpenters?
Thomas Carpenter, from Amesbury, Eng. sailed for Boston in James from
Southhampton April 5, 1635
History of Westchester County tells of Timothy Carpenter coming to Long
Island in 1678. His son, John Carpenter, moved from Oyster Bay to North
Castle, Westchester Cty., in 1736 at the time of the great Quaker migration
from Long Island.
There are also records of early Carpenter migration to VA in 1600s from Europe
I am looking for information about Maynard A. CARPENTER b. September 26,
1858 in Brownington, VT; m. Ednah W ELKINS February 7, 1885 and
Maynards siblings and forbears.
Any Help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Sam
Allen Co., KY Census 1860
Puncheon District --
Family -- BROWN (page 287)
Adaline Carpenter age 30 f (do not have state of birth)
S.A. Carpenter age 5 f.
CARPENTER, Benj. 40 m. farmer KY (p. 309)
Jane 38 f TN
J.S. 4 m KY\
S.M. 3 f KY
Wm. Gibbs farmhand
CARPENTER, S.E. 65 m NC (p. 309)
S.J. 42 f KY
Sarah 27 f KY
D.E. 1 f KY
Town of Scottsville
CARPENTER, Samuel 38 m merchant KY (p. 364)
H.M. 27 f KY
S.E. 5 m KY
H.A. 4 f KY
Jas. H. 2m KY
Berthersville
CARPENTER W.C. 33 farmer KY (p.216)
M.J. 33 KY
Lou E. 9 KY
J.T. 11 m KY
J.W. 1 m KY
Scottsville
CARPENTER, F.F. 18 m merchant KY (p. 227)
living with J.M. Crow 27 merchant
Scottsville Carolina District
CARPENTER, J.D. 44 m Ky (p. 402)
Mathina (?) 39 f KY
J.U. 16 m KY
Jane 13 f KY
S.S. 6 m KY
From Marriage Recors of Allen Co., KY, 1866-1888
John F. Carpenter Alva E. Ellis (Hillis) Oct. 17, 1870 (p. 14)
George W. Carpenter ?inda Atwood Dec. 28, 1878 (p. 24)
Cruly (Drury) Carpenter (Col.) Martha Holder Nov. 8, 1881 (p. 25)
Henry Clay Carpenter Caroline Land (Law) Feb 11, 1881 (p. 25)
George Washington Carpenter Camilla Jane Street Dec. 25, 1882 (p.26)
Ann Carpenter Jerry Lest Jan 14, 1886 (p. 27)
Bell Carpenter Phil Shipley Feb 12, 1886 (p. 27)
In the mail today came a long ago request
from the Library of Congress copy service i.e. the
original pages of Jean le Carpentier's account of the
origins of the Carpenter family.
The translation by Sellers found in Genealogy of the De Carpentier
family seems a literal and and near complete rendering.
Carpentier's book is very much a geneological history of noble families
of Cambrai, arranged aphabetically. He begins (17th century S is rendered as
F):
"Si jee ne craignois d'offenfer la Maifon de Carpentier, je l'obmettrois a
deffein, parce
quej'en porte le furnom, mais le devoir que je dois indifferemment a chaque
Maifon
noble de ceete Province, m'oblige a dire, qu'elle eft connue dans les
Archieves
de lAbbaye de Vauchelles...."
He gives six branches of the family and their armorials. The first
of which:
"l'une porte de Wallincourt d'une bordure engrelee d'azur, & cry Goy."
This seemed the most interesting. Wallincourt is just next to the Cambrai
area
Gouy location. The "cry Goy" must refer to the scroll beneath the armorial
shield. He listed this first. Might we assume this was the arms
of the Gouy line? Expert opinion has it that real armorials begin in the
1200s. The early examples were extremely simple, consisting of a
band or a chevron only.
BC
Sure would like to see some information printed on Carpenters in
Mississippi after 1840 or before.
I sure appreciate all the Ky Carpenters info comming through. Haven't found
mine yet, but will in due time..Thanks margie hartman
Information
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