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Hello. I have a Civil War soldier THOMAS CARPENTER, who
enlisted in Co E of the 4th Tennessee Cavalry on Nov 9, 1862. He
died Feb 22, 1863 in Louisiana, of hydrothorax.
The muster roll for this regiment describes him as follows: age 25,
6' tall, dark complexion, blue eyes, dark hair, born Bradley Co., TN,
occupation farmer. Enlisted Nov 9, 1862 at Somerset, KY.
I am trying to locate him in the 1850 census. I did find him in
1860, age 23 at the time, living in Bradley Co., TN on p 241,
household # 916, in the household of Thomas Cooper (not the
same Thomas Cooper who was also a soldier in Co E of the 4th TN
Cav). I don't know what was the relationship between Thomas
Carpenter and the Thomas Cooper with whom he was living in 1860.
But I can't find Thomas Carpenter in the 1850 Bradley Co., TN
census. The only Carpenters in that census are on p 182B, as
follows:
household # 614
Martin Carpenter age 44 M b NC
Anna age 48 b NC
Caroline age 13 b NC
household #616
Aaron Carpenter age 31 farmer $550, b NC
Isabella 30 b NC
Any leads on finding Thomas Carpenter in the 1850 census would
be appreciated.
Jessie Blalock
http://users.rootsweb.com/~tn4cav/index.html
That is perfectly fine. But where does your line of Carpenters begin?
Is your family in 1250 of no importance and only your 1950 family
important? Your 1250 ancestors did things that influenced influenced
history itself. That deserves much respect.
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: JoTravCarp(a)aol.com
To: carp(a)tezukayama-u.ac.jp
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Carpenter CD
You miss the point Bruce, I don't care!!! I am interested about my line of
Carpenters and the rest is just entertainment.
Travis
Hi everyone,
I am new to the list only 3 or 4 days but wondered if anyone has this lady or knows anything about her.
Charlotte Carpenter = Thomas Hemming
10th March 1835 St Anne's church, Soho, Westminster, London.
Children as follows
Charlotte Elizabeth 24th Jan 1836 St Marys, St Marylebone Road, Marylebone, London
Sarah Anne * 18th June 1837 St Pancras Old Church St Pancras London
Thomas Edwin 8th June 1839 " " " " " " "
Have not been able to check to see if they are on any of the Census as I am unable to travel, so I dont know if there were any other children, and unable to find her parantage.
Is it possible anyone can help me here.
Thank you
Jenny Lovegrove
My family (Those researching ancestors of James Ludwell Carpenter) have some
disagreement with some of the postings we have found on the Internet
concerning Thomas Carpenter who married Mary Lee. Information on the
Internet shows that Thomas had a son named John Carpenter who went to
Georgia. Our information shows that Thomas had a son named John who moved to
Green Co., AL. John owned land on Moccasin Creek in Franklin Co., NC, the
same land owned by Thomas Carpenter. John had a son named James Ludwell who
had extensive landholdings in NC. He is listed in the will of John Carpenter
of Greenie Co., Ala. We have a lot of documentation that supports these
assumptions and feel quite confident about our line of descent from Thomas
Carpenter.
Also on the Internet we have found that Thomas' father was a Solomon
Carpenter. We suspect this is not true for reasons that I do not fully
understand but I will try to get our "expert" involved and maybe he can shed
some light on this subject. We believe that there were 2 Thomas' in this
area during the same time. We show a Solomon Carpenter in VA who had a son
named Thomas who served in the Revolutionary War, and died in VA. There is
another Thomas Carpenter of Nash/Edgecombe Co. NC who served in the
Revolutionary War and died in Nash Co. This is the Thomas who married Mary
Lee. The Lee's, Burwell's, and Ludwell's were all Tidewater families. We
think there was a close relationship to these families as these names appear
as first or middle names of our family members. We believe that Thomas
Carpenter was not the Thomas from Botetout Co., but rather from the
Tidewater.
If anyone has information to add to this and help clear the waters it would
be greatly appreciated.
Travis Carpenter
JoTravCarp(a)aol.com
John, when will the Carpenter CD be available and how will it be presented to
us? Thank you for your work putting this together for all of us Carpenters.
I have always been proud of my immediate family. My grandfather was a
sharecropper who raised 6 children who are all very successful and talented.
You will never find a man who stood as straight and tall as he. I was amazed
to find that only 3 generations back from him my family was very wealthy with
large holdings in VA and NC. I have also found that the pride and strength
that my grandfather had was something that occured naturally from being a
Carpenter. Thanks to you and Bruce and all the others out there who put this
information together.
Does anyone have printed copies of all the posting on this web site? A lot
of this information (Genetic traits, etc.) would make for some interesting
reading in a misc. area on the CD.
Travis Carpenter
Dear Sharyn,
I believe that Anita made the offer. However, a scan of my database,
The Carpenter Memorial, Carpenter Family in America and a few other
booklets do not list the couple you mention.
Maybe someone on the list can help?
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Sharyn Herian wrote:
>
> John, Is it you or Anita doing the lookup offer? I would like a lookup for
> Antoinette Gilmore married Charles Henry Carpenter of Stetson, Penobscot Co,
> ME. Who are Antoinette's parents?
> Many thanks. Sharyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Carpenter [mailto:jrcrin001@home.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:47 PM
> To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Haven't received any mail
>
> Deja vu?
>
> John R. Carpenter
> La Mesa, CA
>
> Gaulds of Fife Lake wrote:
> >
> > Is anyone out there or is the list extremely quiet?
> > ö¿ö
> > Anita
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Anita (nee: Merlo) Gauld
> > Anita_Gauld(a)Hotmail.Com
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Have over 60,000 individuals in my database.
> > Willing to do quick look-ups.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Tracing surnames: Bellisario..Berardo..Blake..Bonner
> > Carpenter..Chromie..Cucco..Cunningham..Dey..Eovaldi.
> > Gauld Gianella..Gilmore, Gnoli..Loomis..Marek..Marlow.
> > .Merlo..Mitrovich.. Monelli..Newton..Ottolini..Pisoni.
> > .Puricelli..Travato
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Family Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314
> > Reunion Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Village/1315
> > Family Tree Make Descendant Trees:
> > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/a/u/Anita-L-Gauld/index.html
> > Surnames: http://mccserv.com/genealogy/gauld/gauld.htm
> > VITAL RECORDS Fife Lake and surrounding areas (1906-1948):
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/1315/vitals.html
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > E-Mail: Anita_Gauld(a)Hotmail.Com
> > agauld(a)mhc.net (Munson Medical Center)Work
> > agauld(a)gtii.com (please send attachments here)
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > As long as we are Remembered we Never die
> > A life is not lost when it is known to future generations
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Sharing is contagious.
> > Unless you tell me otherwise,
> > sharing with me is assumed as permission to share with others
> > Much of the data I share is data others have shared with me
> > and unverified by me personally. *grin*
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Carpenter" <jrcrin001(a)home.com>
> > To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 1:05 PM
> > Subject: [CARPENTER] RE: Carpenter CD Project from the Compiler
> >
> > > Dear Folks,
> > >
> > > The Carpenter CD Project is a compilation of known Carpenter material in
> > > book, pamphlet and unpublished material.
> > >
> > > The Carpenter CD Project is also from people like you who have added
> > > their lines to the project. I allow the people who are experts of their
> > > own line an opportunity to merge their data into the main lines.
> > >
> > > The presentation of material in the Carpenter CD is not new, except for
> > > the corrections and additions provided that link the different Carpenter
> > > lines together.
> > >
> > > The new material before 1300 is less than .25 of 1 percent of the
> > > aggregate total of material. This includes the material Bruce E.
> > > Carpenter has submitted. This is less than 175 names out of over 70,000
> > > that will be in the Carpenter CD Project.
> > >
> > > Joseph Hatten Carpenter (1861-1964) could only prove his Carpenter line
> > > back to about the 1800 with about 75 names noted in the main data base.
> > > There he hit a stumbling block of proof. It was only years later that
> > > the line was extended back to the 1650s. Then comes a question of which
> > > Thomas of two was the line continued on. Both of the Thomas' go back to
> > > William Carpenter of Homme (b. abt 1440). William of Homme is
> > > considered the common ancestor of most of the American Carpenter lines.
> > >
> > > Joseph Hatten Carpenter spent years going from place to place gathering
> > > names and data. Most if not all of his data has been entered into the
> > > IGI and noted in Film, page, ordinance, et cetera. This is estimated to
> > > be some 10 to 15,000 names from England and France. This was gathered
> > > the hard way by going on site to Churches and other places to record
> > > them by hand into notebooks.
> > >
> > > In the Utah Genealogical magazine Joseph H. Carpenter speculated
> > > regarding the connection (based on Coat of Arms, et cetera) of his line
> > > to that of William "the carpenter" De Melun. He provided material here
> > > and there but did not provide an organized lineage back that far.
> > >
> > > Thanks to computers, when Joseph H. Carpenter's material is collated it
> > > shows a pattern that fits with his speculation. His theory has been
> > > worked on by Raymond George Carpenter (Genealogist for the American
> > > Family) and others. I have take their works and placed what
> > > documentation I have into the Carpenter CD Project. I have added some
> > > material that both supports and contradicts the theory. Is it perfect?
> > > No. It it the only theory? No.
> > >
> > > Does the Carpenter CD Project show other theories? Yes. For those who
> > > read the material it shows 3 possibilities of "Carpenter, Carpentier,
> > > Charpentier" entry into England. Bruce E. Carpenter is working on a
> > > fourth theory. When his material is ready, it too will be in the
> > > Carpenter CD.
> > >
> > > This way researchers can see the plusses and minuses of each theory.
> > > AND when more information is added ... we will probably find that some,
> > > all or none is the correct main line of Carpenters, Carpentiers,
> > > Charpentiers into England!
> > >
> > > As I have stated over and over it is mostly speculation prior to 1300
> > > AD. Those parts that are known as facts are listed in the notes with
> > > sources. People who read them understand this.
> > >
> > > Yes, Joseph H. Carpenter was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
> > > Latter-Day Saints. Did he steal genealogy and families? No he shared
> > > what he found.
> > >
> > > Yes, like Joseph H. Carpenter, I too am a convert to the Church of Jesus
> > > Christ of Latter-Day Saints. As part of learning about my family, the
> > > Church strongly stresses FAMILY, I got hooked on genealogy.
> > >
> > > Genealogy is my hobby, not my business. There is no way that I can ever
> > > be compensated monetarily for my hobby. Nor do I ask for it. I find it
> > > a pleasure and a honor to help serve others. It makes me feel good. It
> > > is one small part of why I am a Mormon and proud of it. I will share
> > > what I have and help others.
> > >
> > > Yes, Mormons are into Genealogy and Family History Research. They have
> > > spent billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of research hours in
> > > building resources for ALL RESEARCHERS, Members and non-members.
> > >
> > > It is estimated that of all researchers using Church material that some
> > > 85% or more are non-members. Is there a religious reason behind this
> > > effort? Yes. Anyone who goes to any Church of Jesus Christ of
> > > Latter-Day Saints web page can click on and find out more on this. No
> > > Mormon Elder will jump out of your computer, steal your women, baptize
> > > you or steal your hard found genealogy.
> > >
> > > I encourage everyone else to read, search, study and share their
> > > data. Genealogy is not only for the rich or well educated. It is for
> > > everyone. People are not perfect, but most reasonable people can learn
> > > and grow by learning from their mistakes. Even as I do.
> > >
> > > I encourage every one to ask questions and present data on this
> > > Carpenter Forum. I also ask that people treat each other with respect
> > > regardless of their point of view, education and knowledge of the
> > > Carpenter Family. Discussions of present day Carpenters are just as
> > > valid as ancient Carpenters.
> > >
> > > Zimmerman Carpenters are Carpenters from another branch, just like
> > > Carpintero, Carpentarius, Carpander, Carpentier, Charpentier and the
> > > other variants. Honor the name CARPENTER, keep it a proud and honored
> > > name.
> > >
> > > Please remember that Genealogy is mostly a self taught course of study.
> > > One learns the basics then proceeds from the known to the unknown. We
> > > learn of historical events, bibles, letter, wills, deeds, customs and
> > > language along the way. We explore our ancestry through these and other
> > > events recorded with a name often listed as "Carpenter."
> > >
> > > We are all experts on our own immediate Carpenter line. The more we
> > > share, the more we learn. Everything mentioned in this Carpenter Forum
> > > is recorded, and searchable for researchers. This is for use today and
> > > for future researchers.
> > >
> > > It may well be that our great great grandchildren may search those
> > > Carpenter Forum records to see how we wrote and responded to others as a
> > > way of learning about us!
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > John R. Carpenter
> > > La Mesa, CA
> > > Compiler of the Carpenter CD Project.
> > >
> > >
>
> ______________________________
Deja who won?
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Dick Harris wrote:
>
> You're probably confusing it with the used Volkswagen dealership here in
> Atlanta,
> Deja VW.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. R. Carpenter <gra_jrc(a)shsu.edu>
> To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 2:20 PM
> Subject: [CARPENTER] Re: Haven't received any mail
>
> >>Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 18:46:55 -0800
> >>From: John Carpenter <jrcrin001(a)home.com>
> >>To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >>Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Haven't received any mail
> >>
> >>Deja vu?
> >>
> >>John R. Carpenter
> >>La Mesa, CA
> >
> >I'll swear this is the first time I've ever seen that phrase "deja vu", but
> >it looks so familiar. Am I just imagining that I've seen it before???
> >
> >heeeheeeheee,
> >Rick
> >
> >
You're probably confusing it with the used Volkswagen dealership here in
Atlanta,
Deja VW.
-----Original Message-----
From: J. R. Carpenter <gra_jrc(a)shsu.edu>
To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 2:20 PM
Subject: [CARPENTER] Re: Haven't received any mail
>>Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 18:46:55 -0800
>>From: John Carpenter <jrcrin001(a)home.com>
>>To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Haven't received any mail
>>
>>Deja vu?
>>
>>John R. Carpenter
>>La Mesa, CA
>
>I'll swear this is the first time I've ever seen that phrase "deja vu", but
>it looks so familiar. Am I just imagining that I've seen it before???
>
>heeeheeeheee,
>Rick
>
>
>Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 18:46:55 -0800
>From: John Carpenter <jrcrin001(a)home.com>
>To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Haven't received any mail
>
>Deja vu?
>
>John R. Carpenter
>La Mesa, CA
I'll swear this is the first time I've ever seen that phrase "deja vu", but
it looks so familiar. Am I just imagining that I've seen it before???
heeeheeeheee,
Rick
James Carpenter wrote:
>
> For those who are going mad from the silence,
> I'm looking for any info on Carpenters in or around the Berne,
> Rensselaerville, Clarksville area of Albany Co. NY. Also, anybody know
> where I can get the Quaker records that cover this area? I don't want
> to dole out alot of money for something that may or may not cover that
> area. I'm a civil servant and not independently wealthy. Besides, I
> live in NY. The "tax it if you got it" state.
> Jim Carpenter
Dear Folks,
The link below lists the passengers of the Bevis in 1638 and pacticulars
of the ship.
An alphabetic list of ships to America is provided at Ship Index.
A list of more ships to New England is provided at Ships & Passengers
This is useful for finding those ships and passengers!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
American Plantations and Colonies
Ships to America - The Bevis, 1638
http://www.primenet.com/~langford/spls/638ne002.htm#Bevis
Deja vu?
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Gaulds of Fife Lake wrote:
>
> Is anyone out there or is the list extremely quiet?
> ö¿ö
> Anita
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Anita (nee: Merlo) Gauld
> Anita_Gauld(a)Hotmail.Com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Have over 60,000 individuals in my database.
> Willing to do quick look-ups.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Tracing surnames: Bellisario..Berardo..Blake..Bonner
> Carpenter..Chromie..Cucco..Cunningham..Dey..Eovaldi.
> Gauld Gianella..Gilmore, Gnoli..Loomis..Marek..Marlow.
> .Merlo..Mitrovich.. Monelli..Newton..Ottolini..Pisoni.
> .Puricelli..Travato
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Family Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Bluffs/1314
> Reunion Page: http://www.GeoCities.Com/Heartland/Village/1315
> Family Tree Make Descendant Trees:
> http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/a/u/Anita-L-Gauld/index.html
> Surnames: http://mccserv.com/genealogy/gauld/gauld.htm
> VITAL RECORDS Fife Lake and surrounding areas (1906-1948):
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/1315/vitals.html
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> E-Mail: Anita_Gauld(a)Hotmail.Com
> agauld(a)mhc.net (Munson Medical Center)Work
> agauld(a)gtii.com (please send attachments here)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> As long as we are Remembered we Never die
> A life is not lost when it is known to future generations
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Sharing is contagious.
> Unless you tell me otherwise,
> sharing with me is assumed as permission to share with others
> Much of the data I share is data others have shared with me
> and unverified by me personally. *grin*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Carpenter" <jrcrin001(a)home.com>
> To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 1:05 PM
> Subject: [CARPENTER] RE: Carpenter CD Project from the Compiler
>
> > Dear Folks,
> >
> > The Carpenter CD Project is a compilation of known Carpenter material in
> > book, pamphlet and unpublished material.
> >
> > The Carpenter CD Project is also from people like you who have added
> > their lines to the project. I allow the people who are experts of their
> > own line an opportunity to merge their data into the main lines.
> >
> > The presentation of material in the Carpenter CD is not new, except for
> > the corrections and additions provided that link the different Carpenter
> > lines together.
> >
> > The new material before 1300 is less than .25 of 1 percent of the
> > aggregate total of material. This includes the material Bruce E.
> > Carpenter has submitted. This is less than 175 names out of over 70,000
> > that will be in the Carpenter CD Project.
> >
> > Joseph Hatten Carpenter (1861-1964) could only prove his Carpenter line
> > back to about the 1800 with about 75 names noted in the main data base.
> > There he hit a stumbling block of proof. It was only years later that
> > the line was extended back to the 1650s. Then comes a question of which
> > Thomas of two was the line continued on. Both of the Thomas' go back to
> > William Carpenter of Homme (b. abt 1440). William of Homme is
> > considered the common ancestor of most of the American Carpenter lines.
> >
> > Joseph Hatten Carpenter spent years going from place to place gathering
> > names and data. Most if not all of his data has been entered into the
> > IGI and noted in Film, page, ordinance, et cetera. This is estimated to
> > be some 10 to 15,000 names from England and France. This was gathered
> > the hard way by going on site to Churches and other places to record
> > them by hand into notebooks.
> >
> > In the Utah Genealogical magazine Joseph H. Carpenter speculated
> > regarding the connection (based on Coat of Arms, et cetera) of his line
> > to that of William "the carpenter" De Melun. He provided material here
> > and there but did not provide an organized lineage back that far.
> >
> > Thanks to computers, when Joseph H. Carpenter's material is collated it
> > shows a pattern that fits with his speculation. His theory has been
> > worked on by Raymond George Carpenter (Genealogist for the American
> > Family) and others. I have take their works and placed what
> > documentation I have into the Carpenter CD Project. I have added some
> > material that both supports and contradicts the theory. Is it perfect?
> > No. It it the only theory? No.
> >
> > Does the Carpenter CD Project show other theories? Yes. For those who
> > read the material it shows 3 possibilities of "Carpenter, Carpentier,
> > Charpentier" entry into England. Bruce E. Carpenter is working on a
> > fourth theory. When his material is ready, it too will be in the
> > Carpenter CD.
> >
> > This way researchers can see the plusses and minuses of each theory.
> > AND when more information is added ... we will probably find that some,
> > all or none is the correct main line of Carpenters, Carpentiers,
> > Charpentiers into England!
> >
> > As I have stated over and over it is mostly speculation prior to 1300
> > AD. Those parts that are known as facts are listed in the notes with
> > sources. People who read them understand this.
> >
> > Yes, Joseph H. Carpenter was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
> > Latter-Day Saints. Did he steal genealogy and families? No he shared
> > what he found.
> >
> > Yes, like Joseph H. Carpenter, I too am a convert to the Church of Jesus
> > Christ of Latter-Day Saints. As part of learning about my family, the
> > Church strongly stresses FAMILY, I got hooked on genealogy.
> >
> > Genealogy is my hobby, not my business. There is no way that I can ever
> > be compensated monetarily for my hobby. Nor do I ask for it. I find it
> > a pleasure and a honor to help serve others. It makes me feel good. It
> > is one small part of why I am a Mormon and proud of it. I will share
> > what I have and help others.
> >
> > Yes, Mormons are into Genealogy and Family History Research. They have
> > spent billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of research hours in
> > building resources for ALL RESEARCHERS, Members and non-members.
> >
> > It is estimated that of all researchers using Church material that some
> > 85% or more are non-members. Is there a religious reason behind this
> > effort? Yes. Anyone who goes to any Church of Jesus Christ of
> > Latter-Day Saints web page can click on and find out more on this. No
> > Mormon Elder will jump out of your computer, steal your women, baptize
> > you or steal your hard found genealogy.
> >
> > I encourage everyone else to read, search, study and share their
> > data. Genealogy is not only for the rich or well educated. It is for
> > everyone. People are not perfect, but most reasonable people can learn
> > and grow by learning from their mistakes. Even as I do.
> >
> > I encourage every one to ask questions and present data on this
> > Carpenter Forum. I also ask that people treat each other with respect
> > regardless of their point of view, education and knowledge of the
> > Carpenter Family. Discussions of present day Carpenters are just as
> > valid as ancient Carpenters.
> >
> > Zimmerman Carpenters are Carpenters from another branch, just like
> > Carpintero, Carpentarius, Carpander, Carpentier, Charpentier and the
> > other variants. Honor the name CARPENTER, keep it a proud and honored
> > name.
> >
> > Please remember that Genealogy is mostly a self taught course of study.
> > One learns the basics then proceeds from the known to the unknown. We
> > learn of historical events, bibles, letter, wills, deeds, customs and
> > language along the way. We explore our ancestry through these and other
> > events recorded with a name often listed as "Carpenter."
> >
> > We are all experts on our own immediate Carpenter line. The more we
> > share, the more we learn. Everything mentioned in this Carpenter Forum
> > is recorded, and searchable for researchers. This is for use today and
> > for future researchers.
> >
> > It may well be that our great great grandchildren may search those
> > Carpenter Forum records to see how we wrote and responded to others as a
> > way of learning about us!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > John R. Carpenter
> > La Mesa, CA
> > Compiler of the Carpenter CD Project.
> >
> >
Hi,
I cannot answer the question, but have a couple directions where I would
look. John, son of Wm of Rehoboth descs: Hope Carpenter's dau married a
Hart (NJ). John Carpenter's son John had a daughter who was married at her
uncles place - Hart, again, more or less same line.
Moses Carpenter, son of John and brother to John above, daughter Joanne
married Jesse Reed, so, lots of coincidenses, huh.
I have no time right now to look up the page or ID numbers in the Carpenter
Memorial, but all references are there, perhaps not Mary daughter or
grandaughter of Hope Carpenter. Hopes children went to NJ. John's children,
some anyway, went to Orange Co. NY.
Phoebe
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Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:59 AM
Subject: Carpenter relation??
Hello. My grandmother's maiden name is Hart. Her father was James Wilford
Hart (b Mar 5, 1893 in Adams Co, IN, died Feb 12, 1983) and married (Dec 6,
1913) Ada Elizabeth Carpenter (First wife: b Dec 6, 1896, died Apr 19, 1923
in Convoy, OH).
James' father was George Henry Hart (b ?, died Feb 17, 1907) and mother was
Sarah Ellen Reed (b Dec 8, 1866, died Feb 2, 1944).
Ada's parents were Jesse O. Carpenter, b ? in Dark or Park Co, OH, and
married 4 Mar 1896 to Hannah Amanda Neunam (aka Neuman?), b 22 Apr 1875 in
Park Co, IN, d May 1972 in Convoy, OH. Another marriage later....his
youngest daughter from this first marriage is elderly but still clear, and I
am planning a trip to tape her memories. (She does remember that Amanda was
a Quaker or was raised as a Quaker.)
Jesse's parents were John Carpenter and Barshbaee (like Barsheba in the
Bible) Daulbie.
I have no further info on Jesse or John Carpenter. Is this any relation on
any Carpenter family tree?
Thank you.
Karen DeLaRosa
lad(a)ligtel.com
Thanks, John. Nicely explained.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John F. Chandler" <JCHBN(a)CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Religious Freedom and records (was Re: [CARPENTER] agenda)
> "The Carpenters" and then also "John Mac Carpenter" wondered about the
> role of established vs non-established religion in retarding or
> promoting the keeping of vital records by local governments. The
> example of New England is perhaps instructive. Everywhere except
> Rhode Island had an established religion (what is now called the
> Congregational Church), but the local governments kept vital records
> pretty much the same way from the very beginning, in both regimes.
> The churches kept their records of baptisms and burials (and eventually
> of marriages as well), but births, deaths, and marriages were recorded
> officially by elected officials. (For the first 50 years or so in the
> Massachusetts Bay Colony, only magistrates were authorized to perform
> marriages, not ministers.)
>
> John Chandler
"The Carpenters" and then also "John Mac Carpenter" wondered about the
role of established vs non-established religion in retarding or
promoting the keeping of vital records by local governments. The
example of New England is perhaps instructive. Everywhere except
Rhode Island had an established religion (what is now called the
Congregational Church), but the local governments kept vital records
pretty much the same way from the very beginning, in both regimes.
The churches kept their records of baptisms and burials (and eventually
of marriages as well), but births, deaths, and marriages were recorded
officially by elected officials. (For the first 50 years or so in the
Massachusetts Bay Colony, only magistrates were authorized to perform
marriages, not ministers.)
John Chandler
Can some one help Luis
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen.Delarosa
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:59 AM
Subject: Carpenter relation??
Hello. My grandmother's maiden name is Hart. Her father was James Wilford Hart (b Mar 5, 1893 in Adams Co, IN, died Feb 12, 1983) and married (Dec 6, 1913) Ada Elizabeth Carpenter (First wife: b Dec 6, 1896, died Apr 19, 1923 in Convoy, OH).
James' father was George Henry Hart (b ?, died Feb 17, 1907) and mother was Sarah Ellen Reed (b Dec 8, 1866, died Feb 2, 1944).
Ada's parents were Jesse O. Carpenter, b ? in Dark or Park Co, OH, and married 4 Mar 1896 to Hannah Amanda Neunam (aka Neuman?), b 22 Apr 1875 in Park Co, IN, d May 1972 in Convoy, OH. Another marriage later....his youngest daughter from this first marriage is elderly but still clear, and I am planning a trip to tape her memories. (She does remember that Amanda was a Quaker or was raised as a Quaker.)
Jesse's parents were John Carpenter and Barshbaee (like Barsheba in the Bible) Daulbie.
I have no further info on Jesse or John Carpenter. Is this any relation on any Carpenter family tree?
Thank you.
Karen DeLaRosa
lad(a)ligtel.com
I have read that the one thing that made Penn's religious freedom not
complete freedom was that you were expected to worship in some way or
another. Atheism was not part of the package. Does anybody know if I'm
remembering right? I'm quite sure, but don't like blanket statements
without reliable sources to back them up. In any event, quite early on
there was a strong movement to allow people to worship as they pleased, and
by 1791, it was part of the U.S. Constitution. Now, I wonder what effect
this had on birth, marriage, and death certificates. In countries with a
state church, or only, say, two churches, the churches used to handle these
things. In the U.S., people accepted many different faiths in their
community, and many people had little contact with any church. Is this a
reason why the county and state governments moved in?
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Mac Carpenter" <jcarpenter(a)ftstockton.net>
To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:05 AM
Subject: Fw: [CARPENTER] agenda
> The Baptists (Wm of Providence) pretty much did and welcomed dissadents
into
> the colony, but the Puritans (Wm of Rehoboth's bunch) went to make sure
> everyone worshiped THEIR way. Wm of R apparantly didn't feel as strongly
> that way as many since he did business and socialized with his cousin in
> Providence. But Roger William's colony was the first religious colony
that
> actually allowed others to worship according to their consciences and even
> he wasn't crazy about the Quakers. With Wm Penn in Pennsylvania, true
> religious freedom was offered for the first time.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Raisndustbunys(a)aol.com>
> To: <CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 12:20 AM
> Subject: [CARPENTER] agenda
>
>
> > Hmmmmmmm............. Didn't many of our ancestors immigrate to America
to
> > AVOID religious persecution?!
> >
> > LCP
>
Information
This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.