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Dear John F. Chandler,
I stand corrected. I was going from memory about April Fools Day and
mistakes in the change to the Gregorian from the Julian Calendars in
1752. While the Vatican started the change in 1582 it was not until
1752 England and her colonies changed to it by an act of Parliament.
Confusion, frustration and even violence erupted. Confusion has
continued in conversion of dates.
You are correct that the end of the year was March 25, while rarely some
used March 1. April 1 as the first day of the "new" calendar was
considered for "fools" and my memory fooled me!
One theory is that April Fools began when Charles IX, following the
Gregorian Calendar, decreed January 1, 1562 as the official New Year
instead of the the end of March/April 1 Solstices. Individuals who
continued to honor or forgot and celebrated April 1st were teased,
ridiculed and played pranks upon. This must have been too much fun, it
spread from France to England and then to the US. Now we have a day of
havoc for us all to tread and enjoy. Now this story, the dates are all
in dispute, proving Time maybe the best trickster of all.
Thanks for catching this!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
PS For those interested in details and access to conversion calculators
to the various calendars used in history, please see the two sample web
pages below.
1) http://genealogy.org/~scottlee/cal-overview.html
The first part of this web page reads ...
Calendar Conversions Overview
This is an overview of the calendars that are used in the Calendar
Conversions package (a free online calendar conversion service). If you
are a C programmer you may want to down load the source code for use in
your own programs.
Gregorian calendar - Description
The Gregorian calendar is a modified version of the Julian calendar. The
only difference being the specification of leap years. The Julian
calendar specifies that every year that is a multiple of 4 will be a
leap year. This leads to a year that is 365.25 days long, but the
current accepted value for the tropical year is 365.242199 days.
To correct this error in the length of the year and to bring the vernal
equinox back to March 21, Pope Gregory XIII issued a papal bull
declaring that Thursday October 4, 1582 would be followed by Friday
October 15, 1582 and that centennial years would only be a leap year if
they were a multiple of 400. This shortened the year by 3 days per 400
years, giving a year of 365.2425 days.
Another recently proposed change in the leap year rule is to make years
that are multiples of 4000 not a leap year, but this has never been
officially accepted and this rule is not implemented in these
algorithms.
Valid Range
4714 B.C. to 9999 A.D.
Although this software can handle dates all the way back to 4714 B.C.,
such use may not be meaningful. The Gregorian calendar was not
instituted until October 15, 1582 (or October 5, 1582 in the Julian
calendar). Some countries did not accept it until much later. For
example, Britain converted in 1752, The USSR in 1918 and Greece in 1923.
Most European countries used the Julian calendar prior to the Gregorian.
2) http://nfs.amlehn.ch/manpages/php/ref.calendar.html
The first part reads ...
VI. Calendar functions
The calendar functions are only available if you have compiled the
calendar extension in dl/calendar. Read dl/README for instructions on
using it.
The calendar extension presents a series of functions to simplify
converting between different calendar formats. The intermediary or
standard it is based on is the Julian Day Count. The Julian Day Count is
a count of days starting way earlier than any date most people would
need to track (somewhere around 4000bc). To convert between calendar
systems, you must first convert to Julian Day Count, then to the
calendar system of your choice. Julian Day Count is very different from
the Julian Calendar! For more information on calendar systems visit
http://genealogy.org/~scottlee/cal-overview.html. Excerpts from this
page are included in these instructions, and are in quotes.
Table of Contents
JDToGregorian Converts Julian Day Count to Gregorian date
GregorianToJD Converts a Gregorian date to Julian Day Count
JDToJulian Converts a Julian Calendar date to Julian Day Count
JulianToJD Converts a Julian Calendar date to Julian Day Count
JDToJewish Converts a Julian Day Count to the Jewish Calendar
JewishToJD Converts a date in the Jewish Calendar to Julian Day Count
JDToFrench Converts a Julian Day Count to the French Republican
Calendar
FrenchToJD Converts a date from the French Republican Calendar to a
Julian Day Count
JDMonthName Returns a month name
JDDayOfWeek Returns the day of the week
easter_date get UNIX timestamp for midnight on Easter of a given year
easter_days get number of days after March 21 on which Easter falls
for a given year
Other links on Julian Calendars are at:
http://whatis.com/julianca.htmhttp://www.whatis.com/julianda.htm
*********************************************************
"John F. Chandler" wrote:
>
> John,
> While we're at it, here's another confusion that needs correcting.
> You wrote:
>
> > Under the old calandar, what we call April 1 was the start
> > of the new year under the old calandar. It is confusing to those who
> > are unaware of the calandar changes.
>
> The start of the year was March 25, not April 1. That's why March
> was called the first month and not April. Some people, in fact,
> reckoned the year from March 1, so as to avoid splitting a month between
> years, but that was rare.
>
> John
Dear John F. Chandler,
I stand corrected. I was going from memory about April Fools Day and
mistakes in the change to the Gregorian from the Julian Calendars in
1752. While the Vatican started the change in 1582 it was not until
1752 England and her colonies changed to it by an act of Parliament.
Confusion, frustration and even violence erupted. Confusion has
continued in conversion of dates.
You are correct that the end of the year was March 25, while rarely some
used March 1. April 1 as the first day of the "new" calendar was
considered for "fools" and my memory fooled me!
One theory is that April Fools began when Charles IX, following the
Gregorian Calendar, decreed January 1, 1562 as the official New Year
instead of the the end of March/April 1 Solstices. Individuals who
continued to honor or forgot and celebrated April 1st were teased,
ridiculed and played pranks upon. This must have been too much fun, it
spread from France to England and then to the US. Now we have a day of
havoc for us all to tread and enjoy. Now this story, the dates are all
in dispute, proving Time maybe the best trickster of all.
Thanks for catching this!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
PS For those interested in details and access to conversion calculators
to the various calendars used in history, please see the two sample web
pages below.
1) http://genealogy.org/~scottlee/cal-overview.html
The first part of this web page reads ...
Calendar Conversions Overview
This is an overview of the calendars that are used in the Calendar
Conversions package (a free online calendar conversion service). If you
are a C programmer you may want to down load the source code for use in
your own programs.
Gregorian calendar - Description
The Gregorian calendar is a modified version of the Julian calendar. The
only difference being the specification of leap years. The Julian
calendar specifies that every year that is a multiple of 4 will be a
leap year. This leads to a year that is 365.25 days long, but the
current accepted value for the tropical year is 365.242199 days.
To correct this error in the length of the year and to bring the vernal
equinox back to March 21, Pope Gregory XIII issued a papal bull
declaring that Thursday October 4, 1582 would be followed by Friday
October 15, 1582 and that centennial years would only be a leap year if
they were a multiple of 400. This shortened the year by 3 days per 400
years, giving a year of 365.2425 days.
Another recently proposed change in the leap year rule is to make years
that are multiples of 4000 not a leap year, but this has never been
officially accepted and this rule is not implemented in these
algorithms.
Valid Range
4714 B.C. to 9999 A.D.
Although this software can handle dates all the way back to 4714 B.C.,
such use may not be meaningful. The Gregorian calendar was not
instituted until October 15, 1582 (or October 5, 1582 in the Julian
calendar). Some countries did not accept it until much later. For
example, Britain converted in 1752, The USSR in 1918 and Greece in 1923.
Most European countries used the Julian calendar prior to the Gregorian.
2) http://nfs.amlehn.ch/manpages/php/ref.calendar.html
The first part reads ...
VI. Calendar functions
The calendar functions are only available if you have compiled the
calendar extension in dl/calendar. Read dl/README for instructions on
using it.
The calendar extension presents a series of functions to simplify
converting between different calendar formats. The intermediary or
standard it is based on is the Julian Day Count. The Julian Day Count is
a count of days starting way earlier than any date most people would
need to track (somewhere around 4000bc). To convert between calendar
systems, you must first convert to Julian Day Count, then to the
calendar system of your choice. Julian Day Count is very different from
the Julian Calendar! For more information on calendar systems visit
http://genealogy.org/~scottlee/cal-overview.html. Excerpts from this
page are included in these instructions, and are in quotes.
Table of Contents
JDToGregorian Converts Julian Day Count to Gregorian date
GregorianToJD Converts a Gregorian date to Julian Day Count
JDToJulian Converts a Julian Calendar date to Julian Day Count
JulianToJD Converts a Julian Calendar date to Julian Day Count
JDToJewish Converts a Julian Day Count to the Jewish Calendar
JewishToJD Converts a date in the Jewish Calendar to Julian Day Count
JDToFrench Converts a Julian Day Count to the French Republican
Calendar
FrenchToJD Converts a date from the French Republican Calendar to a
Julian Day Count
JDMonthName Returns a month name
JDDayOfWeek Returns the day of the week
easter_date get UNIX timestamp for midnight on Easter of a given year
easter_days get number of days after March 21 on which Easter falls
for a given year
Other links on Julian Calendars are at:
http://whatis.com/julianca.htmhttp://www.whatis.com/julianda.htm
*********************************************************
"John F. Chandler" wrote:
>
> John,
> While we're at it, here's another confusion that needs correcting.
> You wrote:
>
> > Under the old calandar, what we call April 1 was the start
> > of the new year under the old calandar. It is confusing to those who
> > are unaware of the calandar changes.
>
> The start of the year was March 25, not April 1. That's why March
> was called the first month and not April. Some people, in fact,
> reckoned the year from March 1, so as to avoid splitting a month between
> years, but that was rare.
>
> John
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C.C.,
I'm not replying to keep this thing rolling but I really enjoyed this
rebuttal. I chuckled while reading the whole thing. May I give you what I
saw while reading it? Well, I'm going to do it anyway.
I saw a short, portly gentleman dressed in modest attire with waist coat and
watch. (about Ben Franklin's era) Your hair is white and a bit curly not
quite shoulder length. Clean shaven but with mutton chops (I think that's
what the large sideburns were called). Spectacles in hand, pacing the floor
in your library while delivering your comments. Your not exactly white
because you are a farmer and are outdoors most of the time. You are gentle
and have a great deal of patience but you strive for accuracy and common
ground in all things.
My 'vision' above is not who I think you are. It is who I 'saw' when reading
your message. I should probably send this just to you . . . but I'm not.
Well, done.
By your leave,
CLC
Carolyn Carpenter
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Dear Bruce,
Below is what I have on "Richard the Spy" and his family.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
"Bruce E. Carpenter" wrote:
>
> Has anyone studied George Washington's
> spy, Richard Carpenter, family no. 52
> in Amos Carpenter?
>
> BC
***********************************************
Descendants of Richard CARPENTER a Twin-5054
First Generation
1. Richard CARPENTER a Twin-5054 was born 1745 in Jamaica, Long Island,
NY. He died about 1781/1782 in on a British, Man-of-war in, Boston
Harbor, Boston and was buried in in Boston Harbor, Boston, MA.
!DEATH: PLACE on a British,Man-of-war in,Boston Harbor,Boston, MA See
discrepancy below . . .
!Number 349 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 88
Family on page 164 (#155)
He owned 100 acres of land in District No. 10, Goshen, and this is about
two miles from the village of Goshen. In 1775.
There is extensive notes on pages 88 to 90 in reference to RICHARD OF
GOSHEN AND RICHARD THE SPY of Gen. George Washington. Richard the Spy
was either executed or died of sickness as a prisoner in the winter of
1781 or 1782 on a British man-of-war in Boston Harbor.
!The Carpenter and Related Family Historical Journal (1995) Vol. 5, No.
9, p. 553 - indicates the Richard Carpenter in this family was believed
to be born in April 1756 and died 27 April 1813 who married a Abigail.
He owned 100 acres of land in District 10 of Goshen, New York. A
Lieutenant in the 4th Regiment of Orange County, New York Militia with a
Source of DAR PATRIOT INDEX and New York in the Revolution as a Colony
and State by Roberts.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THESE ARE THE SAME RICHARD CARPENTERS?
Richard married (1-MRIN:4613) Sophronia-13156 about 1774 in Goshen,
Orange, NY. Sophronia was born 1745 in Jamaica, LI. She died about 15
Oct 1775 in Goshen, Orange, NY.
They had the following children:
2 F i. Phebe CARPENTER-13157 was born 15 Oct 1775 in Goshen, Orange,
NY. She died 10 Jun 1853.
Richard also married (2-MRIN:4614) Hannah Elizabeth BRACKETT-13158 about
1776 in Kings Chapel, Boston, MA. Hannah was born about 1755 in Boston,
MA.
An acquaintance of Gen. Washington who on all occasions when called to
Boston visited her and her family and also gave her many valuable
presents, and after the death of her husband, he found her a situation
in Governor Hancock's family as housekeeper, and furnished all necessary
wants until her children were large enough to support her. She was a
most estimable woman.
Richard and Hannah had the following children:
3 M ii. Samuel CARPENTER-13159 was born about Dec 1776 in Goshen,
Orange, NY and was christened 12 Jan 1780 in Boston, MA. He died
1837/1838 in MA.
!Number 1019 in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164
Family Number 1670
Samuel married (1-MRIN:5178) Abigail PERRY-14522 about 1800 in NY.
Abigail was born about 1778.
4 M iii. William CARPENTER-13160 was born after Aug 1777 in Goshen,
Orange, NY. He died before Jan 1780 in MA.
Not listed in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164
5 M iv. Richard CARPENTER-13161 was born about Jun 1778 in Goshen,
Orange, NY.
Number 1019-A in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164 Mrs. Woodward states
that that this Benjamin went to PA and married a lady of Phildelphia.
6 F v. Abigail CARPENTER a Twin-13162 was born about Jun 1778 in
Goshen, Orange, NY.
Number 1019-B in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164
7 F vi. Catherine CARPENTER-13163 was born after Jan 1780 in Goshen,
Orange, NY. She died after 1825.
Number 1019-C in the Carpenter Memorial. Page 164 Catherine never
married and lived with her nephew George W. B. Carpenter (# 8328) from
1825 till she died.
8 F vii. Sophronia CARPENTER-13164 was born about 1781 in MA.
Index
Name ID Generation
, Sophronia 1S 1
BRACKETT, Hannah Elizabeth 1S 1
CARPENTER, Abigail a Twin 6 2
CARPENTER, Catherine 7 2
CARPENTER, Phebe 2 2
CARPENTER, Richard a Twin 1 1
CARPENTER, Richard 5 2
CARPENTER, Samuel 3 2
CARPENTER, Sophronia 8 2
CARPENTER, William 4 2
PERRY, Abigail 3S 2
From: Isabeaux <isabeaux(a)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Another Suggestion
"This still does not assure me there there is not some
slight possibility of an Asian or Negroid ancestor in
the family lineage.
"...Now...those of you with direct lines in the SOUTH
of the USA.. the chances are one in four that there is
a black person amongst your ancestors! hahahaaa.
Any other politically incorrect posts today?"
Candis C Carpenter
Yes, Candis there is,
>From your own statement above, we see how politically
correct and what type of person you really are, not
who you "believe" yourself to be. Thank you for
showing us your true colors, no pun intended! You
almost had us fooled there for a minute.
Political correctness aside (sometimes it's a huge vat
of LYE anyway), race at times can be important in
genealogy just as other information such as location
and dates are. I am sure I am not the only one
researching a "white" ancestor, finding names that
match, maybe the dates are a little off or non
existant, only to find that these are not the persons
I am looking for, also true for those researching
their "black" ancestors. The more information we can
provide to help other researchers the better. No one
said they didn't want "black" family genealogy here,
or that there is no possibility that we "HAD" black
ancestors just that it would be nice to have that
information.
Oh by the way I don't believe I have ever heard a
person of color say, "Hey, I would prefer that you
call me a "Negroid" !!!
From: "Jay" <jthill(a)inreach.com>
Subject: Another Suggestion
"...I have been on this family list for awhile now and
I have seen suggestions come and go but, one I haven't
seen yet is about race or nationality. While it is
great that we help one another like this I think it
would also benefit to put the race in your requests. "
I for one would like to see this information included.
Maybe we could start a trend here. I have also noticed
that on census documents and several other government
forms there is a section for "race" , hmm, I wonder
why that is?
From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp(a)whidbey.com>
To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: re. Another Suggestion
"The problem of race and Carpenter is not as
outrageous as it seems at first glance. First there
are the Black Carpenter slaves from the 1600s and
1700s in Massachusetts. I assume some of them
maintained their Carpenter surname..."
This statement is true for U.S. family genealogy not
just Carpenter's. Thank you Bruce! None of us, except
for of course the American Indians, hasn't got an
ancestor from some other country that "came" to the
United States. I also know that there do happen to be
"black" persons in England. Is this a new trend or
have they been there for generations?
Jeanette Carpenter Covington
=====
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Hi Bruce!
I concur that it is not as outrageous as it seems at first.
I have documentation (photo copies) an african-american Carpenter lines
that descend from our Carpenter Massachusetts ancestors to the present
day.
I had a very enjoyable afternoon in East Los Angeles visiting with those
Carpenters and their families. I gave a twenty minute talk on Carpenter
ancestry for them. I was amazed at the diversity of anglo, hispanic and
african-americans in the group and how comfortable they were with each
other.
We enjoyed great Mexican food and a wide variety of music and dance. I
showed several how to use a genealogy program to enter their data. The
say they will have it ready for the Carpenter CD.
Several of their ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812,
the Civil War (58th (?) Mass. - the one depicted in the movie Glory),
the Indian Wars (11th Cav. - Buffalo Soldiers) the 1898 fight on San
Juan Hill, World War 1 & 2, Korea and Viet Nam. One young man I met was
a U.S. Army tank veteran of Operation Desert Storm.
I have referred a couple of african-americans to genealogy pages that
cater directly to such mixed ancestry.
Take Care Cousin!
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
"Bruce E. Carpenter" wrote:
>
> The problem of race and Carpenter is not as outrageous as it seems at first
> glance. First there are the Black Carpenter slaves from the 1600s and 1700s
> in Massachusetts. I assume some of them maintained their Carpenter surname.
> Carpenter slaves and people of color are discussed in the four Early
> Rehoboth books, all four well worth the cost. I myself have mixed racial
> Carpenter ancestry from the 1700s. This is a good one for someone.
>
> BC
Dear Camilla,
The Carpenter Museum was a private museum or collection run by funds
wiled by various Carpenters to preserve Carpenter Heritage in Rehoboth,
MA. Over the last quarter of a century various Carpenters have donated
materials, genealogy and personal histories. They have many uncataloged
material and are allways looking for volunteers.
It is open mainly on weekends across the street from the Blanding
Library. The Carpenter caretakers are getting older, so the switch to
have the Rehoboth Antiquarian Society take over is not a surprize.
The Blanding library got a computer about 3 years ago but, as far as I
know they are not on line.
Information about the Blanding Library can be found at:
http://mlin.lib.ma.us/about_libraries/libdir/247.shtml
Rehoboth Antiquarian Society has a plug in Rehoboth History at:
http://www.bristol-county.org/rehoboth.htm
I don't have much more information right at hand.
I hope this answers your questions.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Camilla Ayers wrote:
>
> Sorry, I was too quick on the Send button, John. Does this museum have a
> website? Do you have any info and when it is open to the public? Is it
> open year-round? Now, I'm intrigued.
>
> Thanks,
> Camilla
Hi listers....a newbie here. While I do not have files with me at the
present;I did want to at least put forth my interest in seeing if
there are any folk on the list that work the Carpenter folk out of
early 1800's-ON out of Breathitt/Estill/Jackson Co.,Ky. territory.I
never tire of trying to lasso some of these colorful and prolific
folk.Other allied names for me relating to Carpenter would be
Trusty/Fraley/Mullins.My primary guy is Sam"Squirrel-
head"Carpenterb@1859 to Wilson Carpenter.
I am in need of good sourcing.....find myself with far too much info
that I'm not confident enough to bother sharing for fear of
perpetuating false info.
Hunt the good hunt: J Moroni
>From: "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp(a)whidbey.com>
>Subject: bad money
>
>Someone asked what else is fun in the books Early Rehoboth.
>When paper money made its debut in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, some
>Carpenters decided to print their own. Richard Bowen, the author of Early
>Rehoboth, suggested that since the Carpenters were running the town, family
>members were acquitted. Only 50 bucks from Higginson Books. Be Carpenter
>literate!
>BC
Then I suppose Higginson ought to be careful when accepting money from any
of us! :)
All in fun,
Rick
Looking for any information on a Madelaine Theresa CARPENTER. She married
twice that I know of. Once to a robert KENALLY (having two children) and a
second time to a Francis COOPER having one child. If anyone has inforamtion
regarding these names please let me know
Thaking you
Tami
Other names I am researching
DUFF
BRICKELL
HANSEN
LARSEN
PETERS
VOSE
WOOD
WARDROP
STEVENSON
-----Original Message-----
From: CARPENTER
Someone asked what else is fun in the books Early Rehoboth.
When paper money made its debut in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, some
Carpenters decided to print their own. Richard Bowen, the author of Early
Rehoboth, suggested that since the Carpenters were running the town, family
members were acquitted. Only 50 bucks from Higginson Books. Be Carpenter
literate!
BC
The problem of race and Carpenter is not as outrageous as it seems at first
glance. First there are the Black Carpenter slaves from the 1600s and 1700s
in Massachusetts. I assume some of them maintained their Carpenter surname.
Carpenter slaves and people of color are discussed in the four Early
Rehoboth books, all four well worth the cost. I myself have mixed racial
Carpenter ancestry from the 1700s. This is a good one for someone.
BC
The problem of race and Carpenter is not as outrageous as it seems at first
glance. First there are the Black Carpenter slaves from the 1600s and 1700s
in Massachusetts. I assume some of them maintained their Carpenter surname.
Carpenter slaves and people of color are discussed in the four Early
Rehoboth books, all four well worth the cost. I myself have mixed racial
Carpenter ancestry from the 1700s. This is a good one for someone.
BC
The problem of race and Carpenter is not as outrageous as it seems at first
glance. First there are the Black Carpenter slaves from the 1600s and 1700s
in Massachusetts. I assume some of them maintained their Carpenter surname.
Carpenter slaves and people of color are discussed in the four Early
Rehoboth books, all four well worth the cost. I myself have mixed racial
Carpenter ancestry from the 1700s. This is a good one for someone.
BC
Jay wrote:
> I have been on this family list for awhile now and I have seen suggestions
> come and go but, one I haven't seen yet is about race or nationality. While
> it is great that we help one another like this I think it would also benefit
> to put the race in your requests. I know I'm not saying this right. But if
> I'm tracing a John Doe and see another one show up with some of the same
> names I think great. Then I start running the names down and find out its for
> a black John Doe.
Well Jay....while I am fairly certain that I am very "white" with all relatives
so far coming from England on both sides. This still does not assure me there
there is not some slight possibility of an Asian or Negroid ancestor in the
family lineage.
As a matter of fact there were many, very well educated African personages that
were given great respect in England and still are very much more accepted these
days there than in America.
Now...those of you with direct lines in the SOUTH of the USA.. the chances are
one in four that there is a black person amongst your ancestors! hahahaaa.
Any other politically incorrect posts today?
Candis C Carpenter
(call me CC...daughter of Bruce Fulfer Carpenter)
>
>
>
I have been on this family list for awhile now and I have seen suggestions
come and go but, one I haven't seen yet is about race or nationality. While
it is great that we help one another like this I think it would also benefit
to put the race in your requests. I know I'm not saying this right. But if
I'm tracing a John Doe and see another one show up with some of the same
names I think great. Then I start running the names down and find out its
for a black John Doe.
Also I know that most of you like myself is running a direct line with not
too much time spent on Aunts, Uncles, Brothers, Sisters....ETC. So I am
sure that some of the requests for info could be for the Aunts, Uncles,
Brothers, Sisters.....ETC. that we pass by.
Jay
Hello. I am researching the Civil War regiment 4th Tennessee
Cavalry (Union), and in Co K of that regiment there was a CONRAD
CARPENTER. He enlisted Feb. 19, 1864 at Nashville, and was
described at that time as follows: age 18; 5' 9"; dark complexion;
blue eyes; dark hair; born Lincoln Co, KY; occupation: farmer. He
was promoted to Bugler Feb. 27, 1864. He survived the War, and
applied for an invalid pension in 1892. He died Nov 25, 1922 at
Akron, Ohio, and his widow filed for a survivor's pension shortly
thereafter.
I will be ordering his pension records from the National Archives,
but they will not arrive for several months. In the meantime, I would
be interested in any additional info about him and his family, as I
am writing a book about the men of Co K of the 4th TN Cav.
Thank you
Jessie Blalock
http://users.rootsweb.com/~tn4cav/index.html
Hi Ruth:
Yes, Alexander Carpenter did marry Priscilla Dillen. They were married
prior to 1584 in Wrentham, Somerset, England.
Linda Carpenter Fry (14th great-granddaughter of William of Homme
Carpenter)
Richland Center, Wisconsin
RuthThoden(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> Need information on Alexander CARPENTER and his ancestors. He was born
> abt 1560 and was from Wrentham, Somerset Co, England and apparently died
> abt 1612 Leyden, Holland, Netherlands. Did he marry Priscilla DILLEN -- I
> descend from his daughter, Alice through her second husband, Governor William
> Bradford.
> Would appreciate anything on the ancestor of Alexander or the ancestor of
> his
> wife, DILLEN. RuthThoden(a)aol.com
> Please email correspondence...............
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This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.