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Mathias Carpenter (Zimmerman) was b. in Germany (he had sibs born in PA). His
father was jacob Zimmerman who immigrated in the "Roward" in 1753. Jacob was b.
1710 in Germany and d in 1796 in PA. He was married to Catherine Earnhardt of
Germany. Mathis left PA for NC in about 1770 or 1771. He died in Ashe (now
Watauga Cty) NY Oct. 17, 1835. He is a direct ancestor of my husband through his
son, Jacob, and his grandson, David William Carpenter. The name change occurred
on the trip from PA to NC. Audrey Annable Franklin
Sue\\Robert Carpenter wrote:
> Robin Carpenter wrote:
> >
> > >Dear Ernest and Donny:
> > > Are you guys reacting to each other, or are your recent queries
> > coincidental? Some months ago I posted queries for any connection between
> > Carpenter and Yelverton famiilies. Rod Carpenter provide a clue in citing
> > Yelverton Carpenter in NC, who he said was said to have been maybe a son of
> > Stephen and brother of Fielding (or maybe the other way around?), perhaps
> > from Pennsylvania. (Are on on line, Rod? Am I getting this right?) I made
> > a couple of inquiries in PA, to no avail.
> > > So Ernest, if you find anything on Yelverton Carpenter's parents I'd
> > sure like to know it. Donny, are you only looking in TN? Maybe NC, or even
> > PA are possibilities.
> > > My own interest in this is that way up in Orange Cty NY there were two
> > marriages--a Carpenter-Yelverton and a Carman-Yelverton (Eager's History of
> > Orange County) that may or may not have produced a Yelverton Carpenter, and
> > may or may not have produced a Carman Carpenter. Various Orange County
> > Carpenters (including my own) moved to PA, so if some then moved to NC and
> > thence TN there may be connection. Or, maybe just similar names. This gets
> > pretty tenuous...but I've tracked down more than one relative on tenuous
> > coincidence.
> > > Robin
> > >
>
> I have considered for sometime whether Yelverton Carpenter belonged to
> my Carpenters who were originally Zimmerman and settled in the Lincoln
> Co. area of NC. I even did some supposing in my book CARPENTERS A
> PLENTY. Yet proof has eluded us.
>
> The main clue which has arisen deals with his marriage in Pendleton
> District, South Carolina. I have found three Carpenter families living
> there in the middle 1790's:
>
> William Carpenter -- also named Woolrick, Ulrich, Wabrig, etc and signed
> his name with a "VZ" mark. He was in Tryon Co. (parent of Lincoln) in
> the 1760's and 70's. He left Pendleton District by the 1800 census and
> I have not located him.
>
> Boston Carpenter -- also named Bastian. He was also presumably German.
> I located him with a NC Revolutionary claim in the 1780's. I never
> found him in the Lincoln Co., NC area. He may be related to the above
> mentioned William Carpenter. Boston was in Logan Co., Ky. by 1800 and
> then I have lost him again.
>
> Burwell Carpenter -- migrated to Pendleton District in 1796 from Wake
> County, NC. He was not related to the above two Carpenters. His
> parents are also unknown.
>
> I have also seen the mention that Yelverton was somehow related to the
> Stephen and Fielding Carpenter families. These Carpenters seem to arise
> out of the mountains of NC, Tenn. and VA. without any clues as to where
> they came from. I did locate and trace a Matthias Zimmerman (Carpenter)
> who was in the mountains of NC, first Stokes County then Yancey County.
> His parentage has also not been found.
>
> Many of the families of Pendleton District, SC had migrated from the
> Wilkes, Stokes, Surry County, NC area to SC prior to and just after the
> American Revolution. It is possible that Yelverton was part of that
> migration which could tie him to the Stephen and Fielding families.
>
> Unfortunately not many original records from these mountain NC counties
> exist which can help our search.
>
> I am very interested in proving how all these Carpenters fit even if
> they do not fit into my families. Please keep me informed about
> discoveries.
>
> Sincerely,
> Robert Carpenter
Robin Carpenter wrote:
>
> >Dear Ernest and Donny:
> > Are you guys reacting to each other, or are your recent queries
> coincidental? Some months ago I posted queries for any connection between
> Carpenter and Yelverton famiilies. Rod Carpenter provide a clue in citing
> Yelverton Carpenter in NC, who he said was said to have been maybe a son of
> Stephen and brother of Fielding (or maybe the other way around?), perhaps
> from Pennsylvania. (Are on on line, Rod? Am I getting this right?) I made
> a couple of inquiries in PA, to no avail.
> > So Ernest, if you find anything on Yelverton Carpenter's parents I'd
> sure like to know it. Donny, are you only looking in TN? Maybe NC, or even
> PA are possibilities.
> > My own interest in this is that way up in Orange Cty NY there were two
> marriages--a Carpenter-Yelverton and a Carman-Yelverton (Eager's History of
> Orange County) that may or may not have produced a Yelverton Carpenter, and
> may or may not have produced a Carman Carpenter. Various Orange County
> Carpenters (including my own) moved to PA, so if some then moved to NC and
> thence TN there may be connection. Or, maybe just similar names. This gets
> pretty tenuous...but I've tracked down more than one relative on tenuous
> coincidence.
> > Robin
> >
I have considered for sometime whether Yelverton Carpenter belonged to
my Carpenters who were originally Zimmerman and settled in the Lincoln
Co. area of NC. I even did some supposing in my book CARPENTERS A
PLENTY. Yet proof has eluded us.
The main clue which has arisen deals with his marriage in Pendleton
District, South Carolina. I have found three Carpenter families living
there in the middle 1790's:
William Carpenter -- also named Woolrick, Ulrich, Wabrig, etc and signed
his name with a "VZ" mark. He was in Tryon Co. (parent of Lincoln) in
the 1760's and 70's. He left Pendleton District by the 1800 census and
I have not located him.
Boston Carpenter -- also named Bastian. He was also presumably German.
I located him with a NC Revolutionary claim in the 1780's. I never
found him in the Lincoln Co., NC area. He may be related to the above
mentioned William Carpenter. Boston was in Logan Co., Ky. by 1800 and
then I have lost him again.
Burwell Carpenter -- migrated to Pendleton District in 1796 from Wake
County, NC. He was not related to the above two Carpenters. His
parents are also unknown.
I have also seen the mention that Yelverton was somehow related to the
Stephen and Fielding Carpenter families. These Carpenters seem to arise
out of the mountains of NC, Tenn. and VA. without any clues as to where
they came from. I did locate and trace a Matthias Zimmerman (Carpenter)
who was in the mountains of NC, first Stokes County then Yancey County.
His parentage has also not been found.
Many of the families of Pendleton District, SC had migrated from the
Wilkes, Stokes, Surry County, NC area to SC prior to and just after the
American Revolution. It is possible that Yelverton was part of that
migration which could tie him to the Stephen and Fielding families.
Unfortunately not many original records from these mountain NC counties
exist which can help our search.
I am very interested in proving how all these Carpenters fit even if
they do not fit into my families. Please keep me informed about
discoveries.
Sincerely,
Robert Carpenter
I have been corrected that Barbara and Christian were sister and brother.
This makes sense and thanks to everyone who emailed me.
Martha
At 08:12 PM 8/26/99 -0400, Martha Guthrie wrote:
>At 05:57 PM 8/26/99 -0600, Linda Hannah wrote:
>> Anyway now we will have two of the family proved to be in the
>>Revolution!!!
>
>Who is the other one? I am pretty sure that Barbara Carpenter/Zimmerman's
>husband Peter Seitz/Sides is in the patriot rolls but he wasn't a
>Carpenter. She is the daughter of Christian.
>
At 05:57 PM 8/26/99 -0600, Linda Hannah wrote:
> Anyway now we will have two of the family proved to be in the
>Revolution!!!
Who is the other one? I am pretty sure that Barbara Carpenter/Zimmerman's
husband Peter Seitz/Sides is in the patriot rolls but he wasn't a
Carpenter. She is the daughter of Christian.
Dear Cousins,
Those of you who are related to the above if you are interested in
joining the DAR for posterity purposes, I have just found proof that our
Jeremiah is considered a Patriot!!!
He is listed in "Soldiers, Sailor, and Patriots of the
Revolutionary War-Vermont" page 97 "Carpenter, Jeremiah, VT; b.abt. 1714
(actually 18 June 1715) Signer of Declaration 1775; d. 1792; CL-41; OS-15,
page 277." Wow!
So I looked in the encyclopedia to find what declaration was signed
in 1775. I guess he was a representative of Vermont, and signed on "8 July
1775 the Declaration setting forth the need to take up arms and the reasons
for doing so." World Book Encyclopedia page 802. Vol 4, 1978. Those two
items will get you into DAR if you can prove your relationship to him!!!
The only person of Jeremiah's family that is listed in the DAR
Patriot Index Centennial Edition Part 1 only shows that "Jonathan b. 1 Nov
1743 RI; May 1815 married to Elizabeth Pratt." He has a CS in VT after his
name. Does that mean Citizen Soldier? Was he with the Green Mountain Boys?
If you can prove you are related to Jon you can go in on the person's number
that did the research on him, just write DAR in Washington and give the
information runs $5 to 15 depending on how much they have to copy.
Anyway now we will have two of the family proved to be in the
Revolution!!! Thought this would be of help to some of you! Remember the
DAR gives scholarships to college for children and grandchildren of members.
Do it for them!!! Email me if you need suggestions.
Linda in Albuq.
Searching for: Acton, Bailey, Bartle, Carpenter, Hannah, Hertzog, Hillary,
Holland, Mackay, Matheson, Page, Reynolds, Ridenour/Reitenaurer, Shadwick,
Stoner, Wollet.
My name is Martha Hardcastle Guthrie. My fourth great grandmother was
Barbara Carpenter/Zimmerman who married Peter Seitz/Sides. She was the
daughter of Christian Carpenter. Barbara and Peter lived from about 1750 to
1815 or so. I am very interested in anything about her and her family.
Martha
>Dear Ernest and Donny:
> Are you guys reacting to each other, or are your recent queries
coincidental? Some months ago I posted queries for any connection between
Carpenter and Yelverton famiilies. Rod Carpenter provide a clue in citing
Yelverton Carpenter in NC, who he said was said to have been maybe a son of
Stephen and brother of Fielding (or maybe the other way around?), perhaps
from Pennsylvania. (Are on on line, Rod? Am I getting this right?) I made
a couple of inquiries in PA, to no avail.
> So Ernest, if you find anything on Yelverton Carpenter's parents I'd
sure like to know it. Donny, are you only looking in TN? Maybe NC, or even
PA are possibilities.
> My own interest in this is that way up in Orange Cty NY there were two
marriages--a Carpenter-Yelverton and a Carman-Yelverton (Eager's History of
Orange County) that may or may not have produced a Yelverton Carpenter, and
may or may not have produced a Carman Carpenter. Various Orange County
Carpenters (including my own) moved to PA, so if some then moved to NC and
thence TN there may be connection. Or, maybe just similar names. This gets
pretty tenuous...but I've tracked down more than one relative on tenuous
coincidence.
> Robin
>
Ernie made a good point about the fact that modern boundaries have not
always been so. However, the list he posted about Virginia is not
correct. It looks like something made up by some Virginia "boosters",
rather than by anybody serious. I have seen this same list elsewhere,
but it does not become true simply by frequent repetition. (It goes
without saying that the original Virginia colony charter was worded so
grandly and vaguely that it could be interpreted as including all of
North America, but that has nothing to do with practical matters, such
as actual settlements.) Here are some simple facts that put the list
into perspective:
The Proclamation of 1763 cut off *all* the colonies at the crest of
the mountains and forbade any settlements to the west. This was one
of the many provocations that eventually led to the American Revolution,
but, until 1776, it was most assuredly the "law". During the war,
such questions were obviously pushed into the background for the most
part, but Virginia and all the other states ceded their claims to lands
in the west to the Federal government after the war was over. As we
all learned in elementary school, the effective administration of the
Northwest Territory (i.e., the land north of the Ohio River)
was set up by an ordinance of the Confederation Congress in 1787 or
so. Therefore, it should be obvious that no part of Illinois, Indiana,
or Ohio was ever legally or even practically part of Virginia (aside
from the original vague claim to the entire continent). It is equally
clear that Daniel Boone's 1775 settlement in Kentucky was illegal at
the time, but it may be said to have put Kentucky into Virginia as a
practical matter, so that one item on the list is more-or-less true.
As for Maryland and Pennsylvania, I think you will readily appreciate
that disputed boundaries are seldom settled at the extreme claims of
one side or the other (and in this case there were *three* overlapping
claims). Pennsylvania claimed all of the land south to a line
running east-west approximately where Washington is now; Maryland claimed
everything between the Patomac and an east-west line a little bit north
of Philadelphia (and opening out into what is now West Virginia because
the Patomac bends in the mountains); Virginia claimed everything in
sight. These claims were all unrealistic and shouldn't be taken very
seriously in view of the actual settlements that were made. The current
lines were drawn by arbitration *before* the Revolution (the Patomac
River makes a very convenient southern boundary for Maryland, and the
famous Mason-Dixon line was surveyed in 1767 for the northern and
eastern boundaries). Thus, the West Virginia item in the list is
also true. That leaves North Carolina and Tennessee. I guess there
must have been another boundary dispute on that side, but I doubt if
it amounted to more than a few miles one way or the other.
All that being said, there still remains the practical matter of how
to interpret the place of birth entered in documents like the US
census from 1850 on. Very often, if the family had moved around
a lot when the person in question was young, he/she would have no
idea where his/her own birth took place. If, for example, the parents
came originally from Virginia, the child might wind up thinking of
that place as his/her birthplace, even if it was not true, and the
same goes for other places of origin, such as Rhode Island or
Massachusetts (to mention a popular center of Carpenter settlement).
John Chandler
To Carpenter List,
I thought this might be of interest and help in the confusion of establishing a birthplace of our ancestors. I have found documents that list several different birthplaces for the same individual. This may be of help to you who experience the same problem.
Ernie
Reference made to an individual having been born in Virginia as early as
1728 to as late as 1863 could indicate that he was born in:
Any part of Illinois from 1781 to Illinois statehood in 1818
Any part of Indiana from 1787 to Indiana statehood in 1816
Any part of Kentucky from 1775 to Kentucky statehood in 1792
Any part of Maryland from 1775 to Kentucky statehood in 1792
Any part of North Carolina from 1728 to 1779
Any part of Ohio from 1778 to Ohio Statehood in 1803
Any part of Pennsylvania from 1752 to 1786
Any part of Tennessee from 1760 to Ohio statehood in 1803
All of West Virginia from 1769 to West Virginia statehood in 1863.
I know the Mississippi Territory and the Louisiana Territory are as bad or
worse since they included much more than just MS and LA.
Is the bearing of arms a Carpenter tradition? I myself served
In the US Army for two years in the Vietnam War and hated
every minute of it. Looking back on my Carpenter line, a distant uncle was a
captain of artillery with George Washington in the Battle of Brooklyn
Heights. He was killed in battle. Benajah Carpenter was certainly a
Carpenter hero. Other than him, few of my Carpenters fought in any war
subsequent to that. My own father skipped WW ll. I think a good reading of
Amos Carpenters Rehoboth History will lead you to the conclusion that
Carpenters were lovers not fighters.
As for the English Carpenters, they were merchants, not knights. I thought I
proved that already.
Sincerely,
Professor B. Carpenter
Hi Mary:
Please see my response to John Carpenter for information on my Carpenter
family.
Linda Carpenter Fry
Mary Carpenter wrote:
>
> Linda Carpenter Fry:
>
> Can you list some of your Carpenter line? The last 4 or 5 generations
> of my family hopscotched from NY to MI and my grandfather (Frank Isaac
> CARPENTER) went on to WI in the earliest 1900's. He met and married my
> grandmother (Catherine POMMERICH) in Fond du Lac, WI in 1909. He had a
> brother John who may have moved to Wisconsin as well, before going to
> British Columbia (still trying to find his family).
>
> Your line is probably not related, but any Wisconsin Carpenters are of
> interest to me.
>
> Thanks!
> Mary Cathryn Carpenter
> __________________________________________________
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> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
This is true of my Carpenter ancestors also. Both men and women have
been in the military in my family with men the being involved in every
war we have had to date. Currently my son is a Drill Sargeant in the
USMC.
Linda Carpenter Fry
John Carpenter wrote:
>
> Dear Carpenter Researchers,
>
> Tony Carpenter in the UK gave permission to have the following article
> posted to this forum.
>
> Thanks Tony!
>
> John R. Carpenter
> La Mesa, CA USA
>
> A scenario of the roots of Carpenter Family history - Part 1
>
> A scenario of the roots of Carpenter Family history using the general
> history of France and England starting in the medieval period.
>
> We the Carpenters are a Military Family and have been involved in
> warfare from early mediaeval times to the present day. Generations of
> us have been involved and have the knack, if you can call it that, of
> surviving. I will include in the pages that follow information on
> campaigns that have involved our ancestors.
>
> Being a military family in medieval times put the family in a position
> of power. The formation of the "power base" started in the crusades when
> family members fought as Knights through to the Norman Conquest and
> beyond. The first recorded reference to the Carpenter's coat of Arms are
> shown in a 13th Century document of the third Crusade. Those Knights
> with whom the Carpenters fought became confidants and friends, and in
> the medieval age such friendship and patronage was essential for
> survival, progress, position, and riches.
>
> The King had the power over life or death of his subjects, upset him and
> you could be castrated, disembowelled and hung out for view, not a
> pleasant end, so it would be essential to be on good terms with him. As
> Norman Knights we had this favoured connection. However, to make sure
> of our survival, we made sure we had God on our side in the form of
> Religion, with influential contacts within the Church. The most Powerful
> man in the family was John the Bishop of Worcester and Westbury. He
> became Clerk and Chaplain to the King between 1430 and 1441, a very
> powerful position of state. He held many positions of influence, and
> became a very wealthy man. I will show his Biography later. The other
> Carpenter of note during the same period was John the Younger nephew of
> the Bishop who was the Town Clerk of the City of London. They both had
> "the King's ear" and it must have help the family position in the early
> times.
>
> London and Bristol were the most important towns of that time. As
> ports they were situated on important rivers, had estuaries and
> tributaries of the main rivers that went far inland. They became
> centres of commerce, trade and transportation. John the Bishop in
> Bristol and his Nephew John the younger in London kept the family in
> contact with what was going on. A clever ploy, and essential for family
> survival. An early example of nepotism.
>
> The Carpenter families had manor houses close to the rivers, access to
> water was their means of travel. It would be easy for the Hereford
> Carpenters to travel to France or London by sea, or, for that matter,
> the French side of the family the Meluns to travel to England from the
> town of Melun by way of the river Seine. I will show this later on a
> map.
>
> Remember, we are looking at the start of our family roots in a very
> turgid time.
> I have included an extract from a book on Warfare, which I believe
> portrays the typical early Carpenter Men.
>
> KNIGHTS AND MERCENARIES.
>
> The military structure of mediaeval Europe was dominated by the castle
> and the heavily armoured mounted man-at-arms. These two could be
> probably be described, in the terms we use today, as the two principal
> elements in one integral weapons system. It was essentially defensive.
> The Feudal military service was highly regulated. The obligation to
> serve was to a person, under a contract clearly understood on both
> sides. A benefit was conferred (tenancy of land was by far the most
> common form of it) in return for which military service was required.
> The time to be served and the distance from home a man might have to
> travel on service were both small. In consequence extensive aggression
> was difficult to sustain.
>
> In the hundred years War England was only able to conquer a large part
> of France because the English king had feudal claims there. Crusading
> expeditions to the Near East demanded the invocation of quite
> exceptional sanctions.
>
> The castle represented a heavy investment in labour and capital, but so,
> in other ways, did the knight. The arms and equipment (including the
> horse) of an armoured mounted soldier in twelfth-century France or
> England might represent the entire income for several years of a little
> rural community.
>
> The military resources of a mediaeval monarch were determined by his
> Position as a land-holder. The forces he could summon, even for the
> limited time in any year permitted by feudal custom were often exceeded
> by those available to men who were his subjects, as for example the
> forces of the early Capet kings, in France were outnumbered by those of
> the Dukes of Normandy. The permanent forces upon which a king could
> count were rarely more than modest.
>
> The feudal mounted man-at-arms followed his calling primarily for the
> maintenance or improvement of the economic and social position of his
> family as, a land-holding unit. Military service was one of the only two
> ways which were in practice open to him
> (the other being holy orders) for the acquisition of further wealth and
> prestige. For anyone not in holy orders, rank, dignity, administrative
> responsibility and the rewards thereof were all closely related to the
> extent of land held in fief. More extensive benefices could be
> expected to accrue to the distinguished performer in battle.
> Plunder and ransom could also be expected to come the way of the
> mediaeval man-at-arms The advantages, finally, of physical strength and
> skill at arms in the time public security which followed the collapse of
> the Roman institutions need no emphasis.
>
> The son of a knightly family held land in return for military service,
> he was naturally brought up in the use of weapons and in hunting and
> robust physical sports more or less closely related to the practice of
> war. It would be less usual for him to learn to read and write. His
> principal weapons were the horse the lance and a heavy sword (sometimes
> two
> handed) with a choice of a variety of other minor cutting and stabbing
> weapons, and of bruising and crushing weapons such as club or mace.
>
> Extract from "The Profession of Arms", by General Sir John Hackett
> Published 1983 by Sidgewick and Jackson Ltd. in Gt. Britain.
>
> As you can see, the survival of a family comes down to Power and Power
> can take many forms, Fear, Financial insecurity, Ignorance. Fear, as
> portrayed in medieval times, and more recently under communist regimes,
> fear of the state or ecclesiastical police. Ignorance, as the old
> Chinese educational system which decreed that only the ruling classes
> could be educated. Financial fears as the capitalist state of today the
> Margaret Thatcher principle, controlling the people by debts, through
> the banking system, creating a rich and poor society, the "have and have
> not syndrome".
>
> But as we know history shows that none of these work for ever. They are
> short term controls. So how has the Carpenter family survived the last
> 1000 years? Let us see if we can find the answer in our family tree, do
> not expect it to be explained in the form of a tree consisting of only
> dates, we need to know what happen to the people involved, why
> genetically we are who we are. I noticed when I was living in Florida
> USA that every time we put the lights on in the apartment where we were
> living, and as soon as it got dark the tree frogs who lived in the
> grounds started to climb up our windows. They knew that the insects
> that they feed on were attracted to the light, an instant supper table
> for them. But how did they know? How long did it take them to work out
> that food source? So have the Carpenters found out a way to carry on,
> regardless of their situation, are we as quick to adapt to our
> circumstances as the tree frogs? I think so.
>
> The first thing we must understand is that deep down we have the
> instinct to survive and that instinct came directly from our earliest
> ancestors. It starts from the strong bond of the Family
> unit,--------------
>
> John R.,
> As I stated before, all our information has been researched over the
> last 15 years by my late brother in his retirement [he, by the way, was
> a research engineer attached to Aldermaston the atomic research station
> of the UK] and my self. We have a, what we call, hand book of over 100
> pages with information on the UK Carpenters, complete with authenticated
> reference sources. The Carpenter connection of the two Johns can be
> found in Thomas Brewers life of "John Carpenter Town Clerk of London "
> [1856] and I suggest that further reading, Calender of the Pat Rolls. H.
> VI 1429-1436 p466.
> Prov. & Fellows of Oriel College [1922] p24, by G. C. Richards &
> Shadwell .
> Hartlebury Castle by Earnest Henry Pearce. Bishop of Worcester, 1926,
> published by McMillan.
> And futher suggest that the reading of the history of Bristol would be
> of interest to some of our researchers.
>
> I don't want to upset the eminent historians in the Carpenter Family,
> or those who are diligently researching our family roots, but I would
> like to point out that Genealogy and History are not what one would term
> an exact science, so much is open to interpretation. An engineer has to
> rely on physics and other exact sciences to formulate his theories! I
> therefore maintain that an engineer is quite capable of arriving at
> conclusions from data which is available through public record. I
> must point out that some you don't really know the British mentality,
> the thought that we might wish to claim kinship with nobility is not
> within our remit, far from it. I think the living in the USA has given
> you the wrong impression of your Cousins in the UK.
> The Earl of Tryconnels line died out at his death in 1833.
>
> There is a further point which Gill, my wife, wishes to make. Gill is
> an abbreviation of Gillian, she is a Carpenter by marriage [40 years of
> it] and her roots are Cornish through and through, with not a coronet to
> be seen, all her ancestors were miners, fishermen and smugglers, and
> she's PROUD of it!
>
> Maybe we now can get on with the project of telling the story of the
> Carpenters which I intend to do.
> Tony
>
> to be continued ...
Hi John:
Sorry to take so long in getting this information to you. I tried to
download it and send it but couldn't get it through because of the
enriched format. So here goes:
Benjamin Carpenter, b. 1 May 1803, conflict in location--most of my
sources say New York, but one says England. He died 18 Oct. 1866, Black
Earth, Dane County, Wisconsin. He was married in New York (I presume)
to Mary E. Achor. She was born 16 June 1813 in Oppenheim, Fulton
County, New York. She died 10 Sept. 1902 in Black Earth, Dane County,
Wisconsin. Both Benjamin and Mary are buried in Oak Hill Cemetery,
Black Earth, Dane County, Wisconsin. Her parents were Lowrick Achor and
Mary E. Bellenger. I have been unable to find any information on either
of them. I know there were numerous Bellenger/Bellinger families in the
area, but no one seems to have any information on her.
Benjamin and Mary had nine children:
1. Amelia, c. 1829, New York State, m. ? Mowbray. They had one known
child Jennie Mowbray
2. Mary E., c. 1838, New York State
3. Alvina, c. 1840, New York State
4. John Morrison Carpenter, b. 22 Aug. 1840, Boonville, Oneida County,
New York. He died 15 Jul. 1921 in Sutherland, Lancaster County,
Nebraska. He married on 11 Jan. 1868 in Black Earth Township, Dane
County, Wisconsin, Mary Elizabeth Rowbotham. She was born in
Westernville, Oneida County, New York on 11 Jan. 1849 and died on 1 Nov.
1935 in Sutherland, Lancaster County, Nebraska. Her parents were Robert
Rowbotham of Yorkshire, England and Mary Ann Beebe of Westernville,
Oneida County, New York. (I have more info on these people and their
children if anyone is interested).
John and Mary had 2 known children:
Robert Benjamin, b. 17 Mar. 1869 in Black Earth, Dane County,
Wisconsin. He married Sadie Young about Aug. 1901 in Sutherland,
Lancaster County, Nebraska.
Frank Amriah, b. 15 Feb. 1871 in Black Earth, Dane County, Wisconsin.
He married Alice Amanda Johnson, b. 3 Sept. 1875 in St. Paul, Nebraska,
on 22 Dec. 1892 in St. Paul, Nebraska.
Frank and Alice had 2 known children:
Esther Margaret, b. 13 Mar. 1898 in St. Paul, Nebraska. She married on
10 Sept. 1924, in New York City, New York, Ivan Clare Lawler, b. 20 Nov.
1896, Jacksboro, Texas.
Helen Marie, b. 24 Nov. 1900. She married on 15 Nov. 1923, in Dallas,
Texas, Floyd Elmer Blount.
5. George Robert, b. 7 Sept. 1841, Westernville, Oneida County, New
York, d. 8 Jul. 1887 (malignant measles). He married on 9 May 1860 in
Vermont Township, Dane County, Wisconsin, Phebe Ann McWilliams (birth
name) Finlayson (adoptive name). She was born in Grenville, Ontario,
Canada.
George and Phebe Ann had the following children (this is my line going
through to my 6 month old grand-daughter; if anyone would like further
information, I would be happy to furnish it):
Francis
William "Bill" Frederick, b. 28 Jan. 1864, Black Earth, Dane County,
Wisconsin. He married Louisa "Lizzie" Hacker, b. 2 June 1867, Black
Earth, Dane County, Wisconsin.
Etta Pearl, b. 29 April 1866, Black Earth, Dane County, Wisconsin. She
married 1. Charles Smith of Blue Mounds, Dane County, Wisconsin; 2.
Edward Charlesworth Bardsley.
6. Barnard, c. 1848; he died of disease during the Civil War in a prison
in Alexandria, Louisiana at the age of 16.
7. Irene, c. 1849. She married ? Renu/Renfru. They had one child,
Birdie Renu/Renfru. She married Frank Kerr.
8. William, c. 1852.
9. Ellen, c. 1856. She married John Orcutt. They had one known child,
Verna.
Hope this gives you some information to go on John. Thanks for
everything.
Sincerely,
Linda Carpenter Fry
Richland Center, Wisconsin
John Carpenter wrote:
>
> Dear Linda,
>
> I am not Professor Carpenter, but a humble Carpenter compiler.
>
> There is a story of a Hessian soldier who was captured or deserted the
> English army and was paroled by the Americans. He was a carpenter by
> trade and moved west. He became a fur trapper and soon realized he
> would be better off as a middleman. He set up a place in the Turtle
> Mountains of present day North Dakota just east of the International
> Peace Gardens. There he bought and sold for a trading company.
> He married a indian wife and had several children. After she died he
> moved back east remarried (but no children) and when two of his sons
> visited he lost his wife and reputation. He went west with his son and
> was never heard from again.
> According to an old researcher, this story was true. I have verified
> the village of Carpenter (now a ghost town and burned out post office),
> and historical records showing indians with the Carpentier last name.
> I visited there many years ago, but could not find any local Carpenters
> (Carpentiers).
>
> James Usher has the story of 3 german Zimmermans renamed Carpenter who
> went to Wales, England for a generation or two before moving to LI. The
> story has some truth with historical people (including Carpenters), but
> has been accepted as a false genealogy. The Carpenter Association of
> the time period of the mid to late 1800s were interested in a great
> fortune to be had in England, waiting for the right heirs to claim it.
> They felt that Revolutionary War Loyalsts (who sided with the English
> Crown) were unloyal Americans who did not deserve a chance at the loot.
> Thus they were disowned and called Zimmerman/Carpenters. They did the
> same to the Southern Carpenters who fought for the Confederate States of
> America in the War Between the States (Civil War).
>
> The reason for the two above stories is because they seem a part of your
> verbal history.
>
> I have two Benjamin Carpenters who may match your data.
>
> +---¦Barnard CARPENTER-13221
> Benjamin CARPENTER-39429 ¦ ¦21 Dec 1756
I've probably missed it in the tons of Carpenter info on this group,
but has anyone posted the name of Joseph Sr.'s father? Two sources
I have give different people.
Sue
Hello Carolyn (tawker1):
I set your Gilbert query aside, because I wanted to go rifling through
some files. Do you have info from the Michael Shoemaker Book, by Blair?
(It's Wyoming Cty PA history and biographies.) At pp 45-46 he refers to TWO
wives of Gilbert Jr--1st being Sarah Scovel, d.1818--and provides various
other useful facts and tidbits.
I am reluctant to type it all in for email. If you don't have the
Shoemaker info, I'll be happy to fax or mail it to you if you give me a
fax# or address (off-list).
Robin C.
Greetings,
Can anyone shed light on the following Michigan Carpenter's....
Harry A. Carpenter b 3-21-1831 NY, married 10-8-1853 at Paw Paw, MI. to
Lucinda
Crawford b 10-12-1837 Van Buren Co, MI. They moved from MI. to MN. to IA. &
back to MI. several times before finally settling in IA. permanently. I'm
also looking
for info on their son William Franklin Carpenter b 1856-57 Allamakee, IA.d
5-5-1893 Puyallup, WA. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Linda Carpenter
dcarp3931(a)aol.com
Dear Sally,
I have 3 Parker Carpenters.
1) From alternate data base:
Parker CARPENTER-4664
29 Apr 1781
Killingly,Conn.
--SPOUSE-- MRIN:1921
Mary HEATH-4665
Abt 1781
,,CT
--CHILDREN--
1-Amelia CARPENTER-8135
2-Harvey CARPENTER-8136
3-Frederick CARPENTER-8137
4-Julia CARPENTER-8138
5-Chauncy CARPENTER-8139
6-Avis CARPENTER-8140
7-Eunice CARPENTER-8141
INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:4664
- -------------------------------------------------
Name:Parker CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:
Birth:29 Apr 1781 Place:Killingly,Conn.
Chr: Place:
Marr: Spouse:Mary HEATH-4665
Father:Oliver CARPENTER-2747 Mother:Prudence ALEXANDER-2748
Notes ---------------------------------------------
_FA6 DATE 21 JUN 1813
_FA6 PLAC Served in the War of 1812
_FA7 DATE 16 SEP 1813
_FA8 DATE 25 JUN 1814
_FA8 PLAC Served in the War of 1812
_FA9 DATE 14 JUL 1814
- --------------------------------------------------
2) from main data base
Parker CARPENTER-44036
24 Jan 1794
Strafford,,VT
--SPOUSE-- MRIN:15655
Betsey CHANDLER-44037
Abt 1794
,,VT
--CHILDREN--
1-Louisa CARPENTER-44232
2-Mary Ann CARPENTER-44234
3-John Willard CARPENTER-44236
4-Lucia CARPENTER-44238
5-Luther CARPENTER-44240
6-Elizabeth CARPENTER-44242
INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:44036
- -------------------------------------------------------
Name:Parker CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:
Birth:24 Jan 1794 Place:Strafford,,VT
Chr: Place:
Marr: 3 Dec 1818 Spouse:Betsey CHANDLER-44037
Father:Willard CARPENTER-43921 Mother:Polly BACON-43922
Notes -------------------------------------------------
!Number 4552 in the Carpenter Memoiral on page 477. Family is number
1169. He served in the War of 1812. A farmer. He resided in Johnson,
VT.
3) from main data base
INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:31978
- ---------------------------------------------------
Name:Parker E. CARPENTER Sex:M ID No:
Birth:26 Oct 1904 Place:Calais,Monroe,OH
Chr: Place:
Marr: Spouse:Setta STARR-32109
Marr: Spouse:
Marr: Spouse:
Death:12 May 1972 Place:
Father:Earl Wells CARPENTER-31952 Mother:Cordelia CARPENTER-32036
no notes or family listed.
Does any of these come close? None of them have "Parker" names in their
ancestry in my records. I have some 22 (including above) "Parker" names
as either first last or middle names.
John R. Carpenter
La Mesa, CA
Sally Warfield wrote:
>
> Today I found listed in land purchases a Mr. Parker Carpenter in Athens
> County, Ohio in the 1800s. This Could Be my gggrandfather. I had never
> heard his name before, but it fits.
> Anyone out there related to him?
> Anxious Sally
>>Hi,
>
>I am searching for nformation regarding Stephen Carpenter b. ca 1802 Hawkins?
>Co., TN. He was the s/o Fielding Carpenter.
>
>I am looking for proof of who Stephen Carpenter's mother was.
>
>Who were the parents of Fielding Carpenter?
>
>thanks,
>
>Donny Perry in Dallas, TX
>
One thing to remember when doing searches on ancesters: There were three
main migration routes into Kentucky. One route came down the Ohio River
and into the northern areas, another came across WV and into the NE sector,
the third came UP from the Cumberland Gap and into Southern Ky. So,
generally, the ancestry tended to be determined by the migration route.
Folks coming from the New England States would have chosen the Ohio River,
those coming from central and western VA might have decided to come over
the mountains, and those from southern VA, the Carolinas, Tennessee
would have come through the Gap. So it's better to concentrate on those
areas when backtracing ancesters.
Sue
Today I found listed in land purchases a Mr. Parker Carpenter in Athens
County, Ohio in the 1800s. This Could Be my gggrandfather. I had never
heard his name before, but it fits.
Anyone out there related to him?
Anxious Sally
Information
This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.