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REPLY TO STUART
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From: Stuart Howell <SHowell(a)ttlc.net>
grandfather, Elijah Pierson Raynor, b. Westhampton Beach, L.I.
>21 Oct 1833, m. (1) 19 Nov 1850 at Greenport, L.I. by Rev. John Reid of
>the Franklinville Church, Harriet N. Carpenter of Greenport, b. ca 1836,
>d/o Enoch and Mary C. Carpenter.
>
>When/where was Harriet Carpenter born? When/where did she die? Where
>is she buried?
>
>Elijah Pierson Raynor m. (2) 14 Nov 1856, Harriett N. Goulder (or
>Golder) of Greenport, b. ca 1839, Newtown, L.I., d/o James and Mary
>Goulder.
>
>When/where was Harriett Goulder born? Who were her parents? When/where
>were they born? Where did they reside?
>
>Elijah Pierson Raynor's oldest son, Franklin Carpenter Raynor, was b. in
>Sept 1856. I conjecture that soon after Franklin's birth, Elijah's
>first wife died, and needing a mother for his infant son, he married
>soon thereafter, Harriett N. Goulder. I have, however, been unable to
>find any reference to Harriet Carpenter Raynor's death or burial. I do
>have a copy of her certificate of marriage to Elijah Pierson Raynor in
>1850.
>
>Any information regarding Harriet Carpenter or Harriett N. Goulder will
>be deeply appreciated.
>
>Stuart Howell
>
I am searching info re: Thomas Carpenter m. Stella Louise Huntoon. They were
probably m. in early 1900's. They lived in Rochester NY, then Tonawanda NY.
Stella Louise was b. April 1883. I can share much re: Stella Louise.
Thanks
Chris
DickCraft(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> Try looking for a line of Carpenters in Lancaster whose surname was
> Zimmerman. A line to Zimmermans in Lancaster that left Europe in the 1700s
> and anglicized their family name are well documented in various genealogical
> records both pertaining to Lancaster and the state of Pennsylvania.
>
> Hope this info is something you can use. Regards--Dick Craft
I'm not sure who you were replying to, but the circumstances of the
search sound familiar...
Might try:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/Malcolm-K-Carpenter/index.html
I have second person info that my ancestors were supposed to have been
from Berks Co., but I not positive about that. Could have been
Lancaster! Have not found anything connecting them to Berks at all..
Good luck to whoever,
Malcolm "Mike" Carpenter
My husband's Carpenter line is exactly like that. They moved to NC from PA in
1700s: Mathias Zimmerman/Carpenter b about 1750 in PA or Germany. Changed name
in NC in about 1770 to Carpenter. He died in 1835 in Ashe Cty NC. ( m.
Elizabeth Miller b about 1753 in Bucks Cty, PA.) Audrey
DickCraft(a)aol.com wrote:
> Try looking for a line of Carpenters in Lancaster whose surname was
> Zimmerman. A line to Zimmermans in Lancaster that left Europe in the 1700s
> and anglicized their family name are well documented in various genealogical
> records both pertaining to Lancaster and the state of Pennsylvania.
>
> Hope this info is something you can use. Regards--Dick Craft
Try looking for a line of Carpenters in Lancaster whose surname was
Zimmerman. A line to Zimmermans in Lancaster that left Europe in the 1700s
and anglicized their family name are well documented in various genealogical
records both pertaining to Lancaster and the state of Pennsylvania.
Hope this info is something you can use. Regards--Dick Craft
After several years finally found info on JEREMIAH CARPENTER (b. 1819
Lancaster Co, PA d. 1907 Ellis, NE) who married SUSAN CROSS (b. 1819
Boonesboro, MD d. 1902 Ellis, NE).
I'm looking for HENRY CARPENTER, Jeremiah's father. All I know about him
is that he died in Lancaster Co, PA. Any suggestions?
I think the same Cross family may fit into my tree on my maternal and
paternal sides. Does anyone else have Cross and Carpenter in their family
tree? I believe Boonesboro MD is close to Lancaster Co PA.
Thanks for any assistance.
Sara Carpenter Johnston
Connections between John the Town Clerk, his wife Kathrine, John's parents
and the flourishing foreign community of merchants in
London can readily by seen. First three tiers of people inhabited
London in the period. First were citizens, a legal status, which
John claimed for himself. Second were the denizens, groups
of permanent resident foreigners. Lastly were the aliens. This
second and third group of individuals resided in special
areas of London, the Picards in their neighborhood, the Italians
in theirs and the Flemings in another. When special taxes were
levied on these groups, called tallage, many of these people
made written protest. The documents survive and we can easily
see what areas of London the foreign business people lived.
One such area was Cornhill, where John choose to reside. His
parents were members of a Cornhill church and were buried
there. Kathrine Carpenter's will also reveals her connections
with two additional neighborhoods with a high number of denizens,
perhaps with connections to her own probable denizen family.
The fact that John Carpenter became town Clerk at all, implies
a connection to foreign trade. One needn't be an English
citizen at all to be even the Mayor of London. In the 1300s a Picard
wine Merchant was mayor of both London and Calais at the same
time! Another factor with these groups of people are the loans
they made to the crown. Any military adventure, and there were
many, had to be financed with foreign money. Did the Carpentiers
become the Carpenters and English citizens, with a town clerk's
position as well as a very important bishop's postion, though
the financial backing of the English crown?
Sincerely,
Bruce E. Carpenter
The Flemish and Low Country origins of the Herefordshire
Carpenters in England was accepted as fact in the greatest
work of 19th century French genealogy, the Dictionnaire
De La Noblesse by De Le Chenaye-Desbois et Badier,
printed in Paris, 1868. There is no mention of the Paris
DeMelun family. The family line is traced back well before any
possible connection to William The Carpenter DeMelun.
Sincerely,
Bruce E. Carpenter
Warren,
Did Jesse, b. abt 1794 in VT have a brother John, b. 1797 in VT? I have
been looking for the ancestors of my GGGgrandfather John. John settled in
the Sheds/DeRuyter area of Madison County, NY, but no one has been able to
push it back to include his ancestry. Information that would surely help
would include where in VT they were born and names of their siblings. Does
anyone have any info that would help us?
*** Here's one suggestion: I hope to spend some time this summer in
Madison Co., NY, and environs, and perhaps in VT, if I can get a lead or
two. So if you have a CARPENTER born in VT in the late 1700s or early
1800s, or even born in NY around the 1820s or so (the next generation), but
with some hint of Vermont in the background, or living in the general area
of Chenango/Madison Counties, NY, without apparent predecessors, please
send me whatever info you may have. I will try to see if I can put
together some sort of "theoretical family" that can be traced back a
generation. I will share what I end up with with the list, whether or not
I can put something together and find these mysterious ancestors. ***
This has been a major brick wall in our tree (mixed that metaphor nicely,
didn't I?). Hope we can get over it or around it. School is out in three
weeks, and if I'm still in one piece, I can take time to give all of this
some thought.
George
---
George R. Carpenter
Pinckney, Michigan
carpgl(a)ismi.net
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> From: WARREN L KING <MANDWKING(a)prodigy.net>
> To: CARPENTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Jesse Knight Carpenter
> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 8:53 PM
>
> I am seeking information on Jesse Knight Carpenter. He was born in VT
> about 1794. I dont know the identity of his parents but according to
> the census, his father was born in NY and his mother in NH. His wifes
> name was Mary. I believe his children included John Knight Carpenter,
> born 21 May 1820 in NY; Mary M. Carpenter, born about 1829 in NY; and
> Elhanan W. Carpenter, born 13 April 1833. The family moved to Parke
> County, IN, about 1832. At separate times during the period of 1855 to
> 1860, Jesse and his wife, Elhanan W. and his wife, and Mary M. and her
> husband moved to Washington Co., IA.
>
> I believe that Jesse has a brother or cousin, William Carpenter, born 9
> April 1793, who came to IN with Jesse.
>
> Warren King
>
>
>
My gr-gr-gr-grandfather was Abner/Absolem CARPENTER b. c1795 in KY;
d. 1860-70, probably Bath Co., KY; Absalom m(1) Sarah Russell 07 July 1819
in Nicholas Co., KY; and m(2) Emily HUNT? 13 Oct 1845 Bath Co. ,KY.
His children were Hiram, Eliza, Sarah F., Odd Samuel, Martha, Thomas, Shelby
and John [Eliza was my gr-gr-grandmother; she m. Edward
McGLOTHEN/McLAUGHLIN].
Is anyone else researching these lines or have any info on them?
Glenn Blevins
Attempting to locate information on John Carpenter (b. 1820 Ohio), =
married to Henrietta (b. 1821, German). They had the following children: =
Angelina, James, Henrietta, Augusta, Clara and Paul.
According to the 1850 and 1860 Census from Ohio, this family was living =
in Wapello, Louisa Co, Oh.
Bob Wessling
I am seeking information on Jesse Knight Carpenter. He was born in VT
about 1794. I dont know the identity of his parents but according to
the census, his father was born in NY and his mother in NH. His wifes
name was Mary. I believe his children included John Knight Carpenter,
born 21 May 1820 in NY; Mary M. Carpenter, born about 1829 in NY; and
Elhanan W. Carpenter, born 13 April 1833. The family moved to Parke
County, IN, about 1832. At separate times during the period of 1855 to
1860, Jesse and his wife, Elhanan W. and his wife, and Mary M. and her
husband moved to Washington Co., IA.
I believe that Jesse has a brother or cousin, William Carpenter, born 9
April 1793, who came to IN with Jesse.
Warren King
I have been trying to find out if there is a connection with the Madison
Co., NY area Carpenters, or specifically John Carpenter b. 1797 in VT, and
the Delaware Co., OH Carpenters. This is because John's son James had a
son named Osmer Harold Carpenter, b. 1849 in Madison Co, NY, which was once
part of Chenango County. The only other Osmer Carpenter I could find
(besides Osmer S., my father) was an Osmer D. Carpenter who died from
drowning as a boy in Delaware Co., OH in about the 1850s or 60s. I cannot
find the email related to Osmer D. I had decided that this young Osmer
must trace back to my family in NY or a step before, to VT.
Anyone with information on this Nathan Carpenter's family who could help me
out would be greatly appreciated.
George
---
George R. Carpenter
Pinckney, Michigan
carpgl(a)ismi.net
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> The first settlement in the county was made May 1, 1801, on the
> east bank of the Olentangy, five miles below Delaware, by Nathan
Carpenter
> and Avery Powers, from Chenango county, N.Y. Carpenter brought his
family
> with him and built the first cabin near where the farm-house now stands.
> Powers family came out toward fall, but he had been out the year before
to
> explore the country and select the location. In 1804 Carpenter built
the
> first mill in the county
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Hi
I will be unsubscribing for a month or so. My husband has graduated
Seminary and has received his first parish so we are moving at the end
of May and taking a months holiday. Our e-mail address should remain
the same for the next week. Hope to be connected again soon.
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Ronnie
I recently found a listing of the "1698 Census of HEmpstead" (NY).
Unlike the early U.S. census, it lists every individual by name (not just
heads of household). The list includes about 3400 people, of whom exactly
TWO are CARPENTERs; Joseph and Thomas.
The list does not distinguish household from household clearly, but
people at a given residence are listed sequentially. Joseph and Thomas
Carpenter have adjacent listing, in the midst of 20 SEMAN (sometimes spelled
Seaman) listings--12 before the 2 Carpenters, 8 after. (Many additional
Semans are listed in the census, but separate from the particular sequence
that includes the Carpenters.)
Does anyone know who these Joseph and Thomas Carpenter were? Do they
have some connection to the Seman family...or are they just (e.g.) two
brothers residing in a Seman neighborhood? Are they likely of the Jamaica
family (ex Rehoboth)?...or of the Musketo Cove family (ex Pawtuxet)? Any
help with this?
Robin C.
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<< The following historical sketch of Delaware County and its noted
characters was written for the first edition by Dr. H.C. Mann:
The first settlement in the county was made May 1, 1801, on the
east bank of the Olentangy, five miles below Delaware, by Nathan Carpenter
and Avery Powers, from Chenango county, N.Y. Carpenter brought his family
with him and built the first cabin near where the farm-house now stands.
Powers family came out toward fall, but he had been out the year before to
explore the country and select the location. In 1804 Carpenter built the
first mill in the county, where the factory of Gun, Jones & Co. now stands.
It was a saw-mill, with a small pair of stones attached, made of boulders, or
"nigger heads," as they were commonly called. it could only grind a few
bushels a day but still it was a great
advantage to the settlers. >>
I wasn't sure if anyone has this line but I hope it might be of some help to
someone. It unfortunately is not my line!
Betsy McGee Rice
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HISTORICAL COLLECTIONS OF OHIO, By Henry Howe, LL.D., 1898
DELAWARE
DELAWARE COUNTY was formed from Franklin county, February 10, 1808.
It lies north of Columbus. The surface is generally level and the soil
clay, except the river bottoms. About one-third of the surface is adapted
to meadow and pasture, and the remainder to the plough. The Scioto and
branches run through north and south -the Olentangy, Alum creek, and Walnut
creek. Area, 450 square miles. In 1885 the acres cultivated were 108,277;
in pasture, 98,488; woodland, 43,371; lying waste, 1,009; produced in
wheat, 279,917 bushels; corn, 1,410,875; wool, 606,665 pounds; sheep,
107,895. School census 1886, 8,487; teachers, 196. It has 72 miles of
railroad.
TOWNSHIPS AND CENSUS 1840 1880
Berkshire 1,407 1,656
Berlin 827 1,388
Brown 908 1,178
Concord 1,185 1,478
Delaware 1,917 8,091
Genoa 1,193 1,045
Harlem 963 1,144
Kingston 657 562
Liberty 811 1,481
Marlborough 1,182 360
Orange 789 1,227
Oxford 774 1,266
Porter 678 925
Radnor 1,174 1,209
Scioto 877 1,667
Thompson 660 851
Trenton 1,188 899
Troy 838 954
The population of the county in 1820 was 7,639; in 1840, 22,060;
in 1860, 23,902; in 1880, 27,381, of whom 21,890 were Ohio-born.
The name of this county originated from the Delaware tribe, some
of whom once dwelt within its limits, and had extensive corn-fields
adjacent to its seat of justice. John Johnston says:
"The true name of this one powerful tribe is Wa-be-nugh-ka, that
is, 'the people from the east,' or 'the sun rising.' The tradition among
themselves is, that they originally, at some very remote period,
emigrated from the West, crossed the Mississippi, ascending the Ohio,
fighting their way, until they reached the Delaware river (so named from
Lord Delaware), near where Philadelphia now stands, in which region of
country they became fixed.
About this time they were so numerous that no enumeration could
be made of the nation. They welcomed to the shores of the new world that
great lawgiver, William Penn, and his peaceful followers, and ever since
this people have entertained a kind and grateful recollection of them; and
to this day, speaking of good men are Quakers. In 1823 I removed to the
west of the Mississippi persons of this tribe who were born and raised
within thirty miles of Philadelphia. These chiefs with a subject of
reproach against the whites, pointing to these of their people and saying
to us, 'see how you have spoiled them,' meaning they had acquired all the
bad habits of the white people, and were ignorant of hunting, and incapable
of making a livelihood as other Indians.
In 1819 there were belonging to my agency in Ohio 80 Delawares,
who were stationed near Upper Sandusky, and in Indiana 2,300 of the same
tribe.
Bockinghelas was the principal chief of the Delawares for many
years after my going into the Indian country; he was a distinguished
warrior in his day, and an old man when I knew him. Killbuck, another
Delaware chief, had received a liberal education at Princeton College,
and retained until his death the great outlines of the morality of the
Gospel."
In the middle of the last century the Forks of the Muskingum, in
Coshocton county, was the great central point of the Delawares. There are
yet fragments of the nation in Canada and in the Indian Territory.
The following historical sketch of Delaware county and its noted
characters was written for the first edition by Dr. H.C. Mann:
The first settlement in the county was made May 1, 1801, on the
east bank of the Olentangy, five miles below Delaware, by Nathan Carpenter
and Avery Powers, from Chenango county, N.Y. Carpenter brought his family
with him and built the first cabin near where the farm-house now stands.
Powers family came out toward fall, but he had been out the year before to
explore the country and select the location. In April, 1802, Thomas Celler,
with Josiah McKinney, from Franklin county, Pa., moved in and settled two
miles lower down, and in the fall of 1803 Henry Perry, from Wales,
commenced a clearing and put up a cabin in Radnor, three-fourths of a mile
south of Delhi. In the spring of 1804 Aaron, John and Ebenezer Welch
(brothers) and Capt. Leonard Monroe, from Chenango, N.Y. settled in
Carpenters neighborhood, and the next fall Col. Byxbe and his company from
Berkshire, Mass., settled on Alum creek, and named their township
Berkshire. The settlement at Norton, by William Drake and Nathaniel Wyatt;
Lewis settlement, in Berlin, and the one at Westfield followed soon after.
In 1804 Carpenter built the first mill in the county, where the factory of
Gun, Jones & Co. now stands. It was a saw-mill, with a small pair of stones
attached, made of boulders, or "nigger heads," as they were commonly
called. it could only grind a few bushels a day but still it was a great
advantage to the settlers. When the county was organized, in 1808,
the following officers were elected, viz.: Avery Powers, John Welch and
Ezekiel Brown, commissioners; Rev. Jacob Drake, treasurer; Dr. Reuben Lamb,
recorder, and Azariah Root, surveyor. The officers of the court were Judge
Belt, of Chillicothe, president; Josiah M'Kinney, Thomas Brown and Moses
Byxbe, associate judges; Ralph Osborn, prosecuting attorney; Solomon Smith,
sheriff, and Moses Byxbe, Jr., clerk. The first session was held in a
little cabin that stood north of the sulphur spring. The grand jury sat
under a cherry-tree, and the petit jury in a cluster of bushes on another
part of the lot, with their constables at considerable distance to keep
off intruders.
BLOCK-HOUSES. -This being a border county during the last war,
danger was apprehended from the Indians, and a block-house was built in
1812 at Norton, and another, still standing on Alum creek, seven miles
east from Delaware, and the present dwelling of L.H. Cowles, Esq.,
northeast corner Main and William streets, was converted into a temporary
stockade. During the war this county furnished a company of cavalry, that
served several short campaigns as volunteers under Capt. Elias Murray, and
several entire companies of infantry were called out from there at
different times by Gov. Meigs, but the county never was invaded.
Continued in Part 2
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Mildred CHERRYMAN possibly from Benzonia, Benzie County, Michigan married
_____Carpenter. They had a son James CARPENTER who lived in Grand Rapids,
Michigan.
Also from IGI Priscilla CARPENTER b1598 Wrington, Somerset, England d 29 Dec
1689.
Her parents were ALEXANDER CARPENTER b 1546 Wrington, Somerset, England d
1612 Lyden, South Holland, Netherlands and PRISCILLA DILLEN.
ALEXANDER CARPENTER is theson os WILLIAM CARPENTER b 1520 Wrington,
Somersetshire, England d 1550 and ABIGAIL____?
WILLIAM CARPENTER is the son of JOHN CARPENTER b 1495 Wrington,
Somersetshire, England
John CARPENTER is the son of JAMES CARPENTER b 1460 Dilwym,Hereford, England
d 1537.
JAMES CARPENTER is the son of WILLIAM CARPENTER (1440-1520) Homme, England.
WILLIAM CARPENTER isthe son of John CARPENTER b about 1390.
Happy hunting,
Claudia
The Michael Shoemaker Book cites a marriage of John M. Harris to Abigail
Elizabeth Carpenter on 12/31/1835 in Pennsylvania. John was the son of
Isaac Harris (1788-1854) and Anne (Wickes) Harris (1785-1857). Abigail
Elizabeth (Carpenter) Harris moved to Peoria IL in 1859.
Can anyone help to identify what Carpenters this Abigail Elizabeth sprang
from?
Robin C.
Information
This is the Carpenter Cousins Rootsweb. Since many Zimmermans became Carpenters, Both are discussed here along with related DNA information.