When the
www.familysearch.org web site was in testing and people could
actually access it, I came across a marriage that might be connected to my
family, but then again may not...
Scenario: Patrick Carney was born 17 MAR 1826 in Shinrone, King's County
(Co. Offaly), Ireland. His father was named "Rudolph", "Raymond",
and
"Roger", all three have been noted on various 3rd party records. Mother was
named Margaret.
Catherine Dooley was born about 1828 in Co. Roscommon, Ireland, again,
according to third party records.
In the 1860 Census for Detroit, Michigan, the couple are listed with
children Edward (b. circa 1850), Catherine (b. 1853), and Mary (b. 1856).
All children were noted as being born in "England". As we all know,
sometimes census takers wrote down "England" when referring to any part of
the British Empire.
Now, the problem is I do not have Patrick and Mary's marriage location and
date. According to the
www.familysearch.org site, there was a marriage at
Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England, on 28th January 1845. Between
what appears to be Patrick Carney and a Catherine Dooley, Doley, or Doyle.
I posted a request for a local person to view to films (I don't have access
to them here) and two people responded. Here are their messages, with names
hidded to protect the innocent... ;-)
====Respondent 1====
Birmingham, Saint Martin, Warwick, England, 28th January 1845.
Marriage after Banns.
Patrick Carney, Under age father consents, Bachelor, labourer, Oxford
Street, Father (Roger ?), Labourer.
Catherine Doyle, of Full Age, Spinster, Park Street, Father (looks like
Harriet ???), Labourer
Both parties made their marks (X). Witnesses both made their marks (X) were
Roger Carney & Mary Carney.
The microfilm image was very thin particularly the right-hand side hence the
difficulty with the names of the fathers. I did get the duty librarian to
have a look and without prompting he came to the same conclusions:- Roger
for groom's father and Harriet for the bride's father. Obviously, the name
is unlikely to be "Harriet" but we both agreed that that's what it looks
like!
When I got home I checked the 1851 Census CD Warks/Norfolk/Devon but I
couldn't find this couple listed. It may be that they moved a few ( two or
three ) miles and were living in Aston, Staffs or possibly Yardley which was
then in Worcs. I think it would be worthwhile asking if someone on the list
can do a look-up.
I didn't find a Roger Carney on the CD either, but I did find a Rodney
Carney, a bricklayer's labourer - problem is he's unmarried and his age is
given as only 30. Might be related in some way though.
====Respondent 2====
The details are as follows:
Patrick Carney (under age - father consents) Catherine Doley (Full
Age)
Addresses: Oxford Street Bark
Street
Occupations: Labourer
-
Father's names: Rodger Carney (Labourer) Mannie ? Daley
(Labourer)
Witnesses: Rodger Carney Mannie? Daley
I am not sure about her father's first name as it was rather indistinct.
There is no mention of the father's place of birth. The only other option
is
to look at the 1841 census, assuming you have an address, but it will not
necessarily show where he was born, this was only included after 1851.
==== End ====
So, as you can tell, there are many coincidences here, but few actual
confirmations.
I was wondering if someone has access to the films and would be kind enough
to take the time to make paper copies of the marriage information and mail
them to me? I would of course reimburse for all costs involved.
Alternatively, if you have studied these people and have determined that
they are not the people I am searching for, please let me know.