All the data we have is that the name is Thomas PETTERS Carnes, not
Peters or Peter.
I do not think he is a direct relative of Peter, maybe a cousin or great
uncle
Ed Carnes
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From: KM [mailto:MORRISKJ@prodigy.net]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:27 PM
To: CARNES-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARNES] Re: Margaret ? ; James Madison Rowe and Mallie
Carnes
Sorry, Claudia!
Wish I could be more of help....Green Berry Carnes is My line as
well....I will look thru my notes and see what info i have and let you
know....i believe only info i do have is what I have found on the
internet or from others.... Kim
Maybe I did not make my self clear on what I wanted. The message that I
received is below and I was not questing this, I found the message that
I posted with my question in the Carnes List Archives, I have not
found a cemetery or anything else on the Carnes except a 1920 Census
that List CARNES, MALLIE - AUNT; F; W; AGE 59 WID; BORN IN GA. BOTH
PARENTS BORN IN GA. for years I have worked on the Rowe/Barnett family,
and could never find anything on Margaret J. Rowe, until I found the
1920 Census Ga. Gwinnett Co. Martins Dist page 6A and Mallie Carnes is
listed as Aunt to James Madison Rowe and living in his household. With
this clue I check out the Carnes List Archives on Roots and found the
message that I posted.
The dates on Margaret Rowe and Margaret Carnes are almost the same, and
Margaret Rowe name her son James Madison, and this was the custom at
that time to name your sons after a father or brother. Then Malllie
Carnes is listed as an Aunt on the 1920 Census. So she is either a
sister to his mother or sister in law to his mother, or she is related
to the Barnetts, but the census says Aunt and she is in his household
and Margaret Rowe named her son James Madison. This is all that I have
to go on as of now. That is why I asked for help from the Carnes List.
I hope this clears up any mistakes.
Claudia
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Message that I received:
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:41 AM
Subject: Carnes
Do you think your Peter Carnes, who's grave you found at Rockmart,
could have been a "Jr." and his father was Thomas Peter Carnes from who
the town of Carnesville, Ga. was named?
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No that is not what I think.
I was asking about this:
1. Could Margaret J. Rowe (born 1834) be Margaret Carnes (born 1832) ?
2. If she is then maybe James Madison Rowe her son was named for her
brother, James Madison Carnes b 2/28/1826, ?
3. Does any one have any information on Mallie Carnes, that is listed
as Aunt on the 1920 Census of Gwinett Co., Ga. living in the household
of James Madison Rowe ?
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This is from the Carnes List Archives: (I posted all of the message
before)
Potential children of Elizabeth and Peter are:
Junnie b 1820 (yes, I know a 12 or 13 year old mother is unusual ...
perhaps
an earlier marriage by Peter), JAMES MADISON b 2/28/1826,
Greene Berry (my
line) b 7/31/1827, MARGARET b 1832, Patrick (could
this
be Joseph or Joseph
P. ?) b 1834, Mary b 1835, Sarah b 1839, Martha A. b 1841, Bud b 1842,
Luginy, b 1849
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Information that I have found on Margaret J. Rowe and her son James
Madison Rowe:
Margarett J. (maiden name ?) Rowe born Jan 5, 1834 and died October
14,
1914; buried at Mt. Carmel Church in Norcross, Gwinnett Co., Ga. Don't
know her husbands name. Her sons information is below:
Milton Co. Ga. Marriages:
Row, J.M.G. married Barnett, Sarah in 1884
1920 Ga. Gwinnett Co. Martins Dist page 6A
Rowe J. M.- head; m. w. age 56 married born in Ga. both parents born
in Ga. Occupation Farmer
Rowe, Sarah - wife; f; w; age 50; married born in Ga. both parents
born in Ga.
Barnett, Elvira - mother in Law; f; w; age 69 wid; born in Ga. both
parents born in Ga.
CARNES, MALLIE - AUNT; F; W; AGE 59 WID; BORN IN GA. BOTH PARENTS BORN
IN GA.
Rowe, Boyd - son; age 25
Rowe, Glenn - son; age 19
Rowe, Essie - dau; age 17
Rowe, Elmer - son; age 14
On the 1900 Census he is listed as Joshua M. Rowe; on 1930 Census
he is listed as James M. Rowe and is living in the household of his son
in law and is a widow; on his tombstone he is listed as Jerry Madison
Rowe. on marriage records he is Row, J.M.G. on his sisters marriage
records he is listed as James Madison Rowe (this is found in the
Rowe/Ball Family Bible). His name changes on everything we find on him.
Thank goodness we know his wife and children.
Any Help will be appreciated this has been one of my brick walls for
years, I hope some one can HELP!!!!!
Claudia