Dear Susan from Llantrisant,
I'm sorry, I can't help you with your Ormonds, although I have Ormonds of
Loveston, Yerbeston and Carew - in the same general region as yours of
Redberth. I have not come across Morgan or Lewis. From the 'Pedigree of
Ormond', a copy of which is at the Record Office at Haverfordwest, I see a
John Ormond who married Elizabeth and they had a son William of Dinneston
(Loveston parish) who had a wife Elizabeth and a daughter Elizabeth, who was
mentioned in the Will of her uncle John of Yerbeston, proved 1735. This
pedigree does not record who this Elizabeth married.
I suggest you go to the Record Office at Haverfordwest (situated in the
Castle), as there are copies of Wills there and quite a lot of information
about the Ormonds. I wish you luck and sorry I can't help.
Jean at Dinas Cross
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harvey" <pippyx(a)tiscali.co.uk
To:
<CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:39
PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Henry Edwards HILL of St Clears+Ormond
Jean Hi, I have been trying to find out if Elizabeth ORMOND was the correct
wife for John WHITTA who were the parents of, Martha WHITTA born 1795/6.in
Redberth .
Martha 1795 ,I believe ,married Lewis MORGAN b abt 1791 and had a son Lewis
Morgan b 1834 Redberth and leads into the MORGAN relatives about whom I
have factual knowledge with the marriage of theLewis MORGAN b 1834 Redberth
to Rachel LEWIS b Laugharne 1838 who were my GT/grandparents.
If you can throw any light on Elizabeth ORMOND which will help I would be
grateful.
Kind Regards ,
Sue in LLantrisant***********
Do you know who Elizabth Ormond married OTHER THAN from information publised
on the Web. Iknow the story from 1834 But must try and establish with
documentation MARTHA wHITTA'S parents
Ibelieve John Whitta had two marriages one to Jane Miden name un known.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jean BUCHANAN" <ff(a)home-tangnefedd.freeserve.co.uk
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Henry Edwards HILL of St Clears
Hi Pat,
Henry Edwards Hill: yes, I have note of his first marriage to Mary
Waters,
2nd daughter of Thomas Waters of Tutshill House, parish of Tidenham,
Glos.,
banker of Chepstow. Date of marriage, at St Mary's Tenby, was 25
AUG
1839.
There were seven children of this marriage. This wife, Mary, died on
board
ship on their way home from Australia in October 1854, when they were
about
to disembark at London. A year later he married Mary Anna Johns at St
Mary
Magdalene, St Clears. Before his first marriage Henry Edwards Hill lived
in
Laugharne at Parsonage Farm with Hannah Thomas, who had three
illegitimate
sons by him, in 1833, 1835 and 1837, who all took the name of HILL. One,
John, died in Laugharne aged 22; the careers of his brothers is not known,
but it is thought they may have emigrated to New South Wales. I don't
know
what became of Hannah Thomas after HEH's marriage.
One of your listers is researching the names ORMOND and WATERS. I have
plenty of information about the Ormonds; the wife of Thomas WATERS named
above, was Margaret Ormond, daughter of David Ormond of Trenewydd,
Lampeter
Velfrey, Pembrokeshire; they married in October 1801 at St Marylebone
church
in London. Margaret is buried in St Mary's Church, Tenby, where
there is a
memorial slab to her on the floor of one of the aisles.
I have been less successful in researching the Tutshill origins of the
Thomas Waters, apart from the fact that he lived at Tutshill House and was
a
banker at Chepstow. I would like to know more. His children were
born at
Tutshill I believe, but the family moved to Carmarthen and became (not
altogether successful) bankers there and nearly went bankrupt. The house
called Sarnau near Banc y Felin was built by Thomas Waters and his eldest
son Robert was certainly living there in 1887. Thomas W is said to have
been
buried at the church in Lampeter Velfrey, but I have been unable to
find a
gravestone there. The youngest son, Edward, became a distinguished
physician to the Duke of Westminster and lived at Chester.
Salaams,
Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Powell" <pat(a)pcubed.demon.co.uk
To:
<CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003
10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Henry Edwards HILL of St Clears
Hi Jean
As you say Henry was a widower when he got married.
Do you have his previous marriage?
On FreeBMD there is a Marriage of a Henry Edwards Hill in Pembroke
district in the third quarter of 1839 GRO ref 26/849
Would this be him?
Cheers
Pat
In message <004101c39f1b$dd8414a0$c300a8c0@cmnfhs2>, Pauline James
<paulinejames(a)btinternet.com> writes
>Hi Jean
>I have sent one message but have not seen it on the list
yet......
>I have the marriage in St Clears parish church
>1855 18th October
>Henry Edwards Hill and Mary Anna Johns
>if you wanted to see the actual marriage entry you can now
obtain copies
>from the record office (archives)....if you send an email or even a
letter
>enclosing £2.50 which is the price of a copy of the marriage and
>postage....send an email to
>Archives(a)carmarthenshire.gov.uk
>let me know how you get on.....but they did marry in the
parish
church....in
>October not December
>Pauline
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jean BUCHANAN" <ff(a)home-tangnefedd.freeserve.co.uk
>To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:19 PM
>Subject: [Cmn-L] Henry Edwards HILL of St Clears
>> I am looking for a house
which, in a letter written to family in
Australia
>by Henry Hill in 1861, was described as
>
>> Belle View
>> Pensarn
>> Carmarthen
>
>> This was where HEH and his wife, Mary Anna, lived
after their marriage
in
>1855 at St Clears, while sons of HEH by his previous marriage to
Mary
Waters
>were being educated at Carmarthen Grammar School. They later went to
live
>permanently in New South Wales.
>
>> Has anybody got a clue where this house was or is?
>
>> I have also sought, unsucessfully so far, the record
of the marriage of
>Henry Edwards Hill, widower, and Mary Anna Johns at St Clears in 1855
(date
>7th December). It could have been in a non-conformist church, as
Mary
>Anna's father was the Rev. David Johns, known as 'Missionary Johns of
>Madagascar'. I believe he was a Congregationalist. His wife had a
school
>in St Clears and Mary Anna was her assistant.
>
>> Any leads would be gratefully received.
>
>> Jean Buchanan
>
>
>
>
>
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