Hello Gareth
Would like to see that link,
Think you need a holiday!!
I have been a Howells for 40 years, never had to
justify my 's' in all those years!! But then I am English (born)
so must be a Welsh thing!
I would also loved to have seen the book from WH Smith in the 1800's-What to
call your new baby? The book must
have been about 1 page long, choosing either John, David or Thomas.
I do not know why they changed to Howell(s) maybe they were snobs!!
best wishes
DAVID HowellS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gareth Howell" <gar(a)garethhowell.net>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Cmn-L] Evan-Llanboidy
In which case perhaps you should be looking for Hoyle, Hoell, Poell,
Powell, Powells (Ap Howells) and others too, but not in your case.
Somebody gave me a very useful link to name frequency research the other
day, and distinguished between Howell and Howells on it.
The highest frequency of Howells was in Ceredigion.
If I can find it I shall forward it to you to play with. East Anglia for
example there is a very high number of people by the name of Howell,
as far as possible from the mines perhaps!
Pauline tried to persuade me that my forebears had been Howells and not
Howell. It is not so and I know it, by word of mouth since the
1860s. Even then I get letters from people who think that all Welsh names
end in -s.
Don't forget that the plural in welsh in a Welsh speaking area is not -s
at all. It is -au or -iau.
If you go that far you change your name to Hywel! I only found that once
in the frequency website in Ceredigion!
Add that to the list above and you have got Hywel; Hywell; I've never
seen Pywel or Pywell but somebody will think of it no doubt!
Hywell as you certainly know is pronounced the same as "o" in the english
spelling. Hywell=Howell .
Gar By the way how does anybody get the circumflex "i" on the Windows
platform?
Dave Howells wrote:
> Hi Gareth
> beg to differ, all the Howell family in my line from Llanddowror changed
> their name to Howells, seemed to
> be around the 1870's and all who moved to Pontypridd
> changed their name to Howells....maybe they were wanted!!!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Howell"
<gar(a)garethhowell.net>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [Cmn-L] Evan-Llanboidy
>
>
>> I have been looking for links all along Dave and it is interesting but I
>> have found none at all.
>> Our guide has always been at least in our branch of the family that
"s"
>> is not related.
>> That has just been our family lore. Father always used to say "Howells
>> ? that's Birmingham!"
>>
>> Pob Lwc, Gar
>>
>> Dave Howells wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Howells"
>>> <d.jhowells(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Cc: "Carmarthen-FHS-@roots"
<Carmarthenshire-FHS-L-(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:00 PM
>>> Subject: Fw: [Cmn-L] Evan-Llanboidy
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Pauline
>>>> Hope the last e-mail made sense
>>>> Looking to see if the Rachel married to Benjamin Watts is the Rachel
>>>> formerly Howell (nee Evan)
>>>> Which I now believe is true as I think in the 1881 census
>>>> she had four Howell children living with her listed as boarders but I
>>>> think these are here grandchildren from her marriage to John Howell. I
>>>> think these children are the children of David Howells who was a son
>>>> of Rachel and John Howell born in Llanddowror in c1841. David Howells
>>>> left to Pontypridd to be a collier fireman and I think his wife died
>>>> and the children were sent to Rachel.
>>>> Hope this is straight forward but this seems to fit too well
>>>> for any coincidence.
>>>> rgds Dave Howells
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Howells"
>>>> <d.jhowells(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> Cc: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Evan-Llanboidy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Would be a great help if you could Pauline,
>>>>> I am also trying to find her death details.
>>>>> I know where her husband John Howell was
>>>>> buried, in Llanddowror and died 25.2.1865
>>>>> but she is not buried with him and can not find any death details of
>>>>> her, which led me to
>>>>> believe she re-married, so I did a search for a
>>>>> Rachel of that age living in Llanddowror and also
>>>>> coming from Llanboidy, which I found on the 1881
>>>>> census which was a long shot but also living with them
>>>>> at the time are 4 Howell children not listed as related but boarders
>>>>> coming from Aberdare, too much of a coincidence, I don't know,
will
>>>>> have to look further.
>>>>> Need to find the marriage of Benjamin Watts to Rachel to see if her
>>>>> name was Rachel formerly Howell (nee Evan).
>>>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>>>> Thanks again for your help.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James"
>>>>> <paulinejames(a)onvol.net>
>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Evan-Llanboidy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry David........yes of course you said....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Registration came into being June 1837 so your Rachel married
after
>>>>>> this time.....lucky for you as they do give much more
>>>>>> information.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the parish church........wonder where she was baptised, if she
>>>>>> was baptised that is......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will look further afield
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pauline
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Howells"
>>>>>> <d.jhowells(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:02 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Evan-Llanboidy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Pauline
>>>>>>> you probably cannot remember but I spoke to you
>>>>>>> about this one as I have a copy from the reg. office
>>>>>>> with reference to her marriage was at Parish Church
>>>>>>> Llanboidy, I have ordered a copy of the original to
>>>>>>> see if all is correct, with ref to pre or after 1837
>>>>>>> they married 7/12/1837 so neither pre or after!!
>>>>>>> Does this have any meaning??
>>>>>>> rgds David
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James"
>>>>>>> <paulinejames(a)onvol.net>
>>>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:58 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Evan-Llanboidy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She could have been born in Llanboidy but not baptised in
the
>>>>>>>> parish church......where did she marry - was it after
1837 if so
>>>>>>>> she could chose either parish church, chapel with
registrar or
>>>>>>>> registry office...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where they married after 1837 can hold clues as to what
>>>>>>>> denomination they were.......pre 1837 they had to marry
in the
>>>>>>>> parish church regardless... (oh, unless they were
Quakers)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pauline
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave
Howells"
>>>>>>>> <d.jhowells(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:46 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Evan-Llanboidy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I dont understand it
>>>>>>>>> age and place are from census and marriage rtns
>>>>>>>>> ???????
>>>>>>>>> rgds David
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline
James"
>>>>>>>>> <paulinejames(a)onvol.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:43 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Evan-Llanboidy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dave
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No Rachel Evan/s baptised in Llanboidy parish
church.......not
>>>>>>>>>> between 1813-1875
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pauline
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave
Howells"
>>>>>>>>>> <d.jhowells(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] Evan-Llanboidy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Searching for a
>>>>>>>>>>> Rachel Evan
>>>>>>>>>>> born c1816-1817
>>>>>>>>>>> Llanboidy
>>>>>>>>>>> Father John Evan - Weaver
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Howells
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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