Hi Pauline,
Thomas and Elizabeth's first son was John and their daughter Margaret. That
is an additional fact in their favour isn't it.
I must go and sleep or my class will think I am cranky tomorrow.
Jane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk>
To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CMN-L] HARRIS
Jane
Think I may have solved why Thomas is with John and Mary in 1841
Baptism Llanybri chapel Llanstephan
1833 3rd April - Thomas Harris, parents John Harris and Margaret
I then located their marriage
1830 4th March Llangynog parish church
John Harries and Margaret Roberts
Llangynog is the parish next to Llanstephan.......looks good to me
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Doherty" <dohertyj(a)colourcity.com>
To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [CMN-L] HARRIS
> Hi Pauline,
> It is quite possible that they were non conformist. Salem was a chapel in
> Heolgerrig where they went later. I am finding this with lots of our
> Price
> family too.
> I only know that he went to Merthyr before he met Elizabeth. John was
> born
> in 1856, he was the oldest son. So I guess he went before 1856.
>
> Can you please tell me where on the IGI I find these chapel records. I
> tend
> to get a bit lost there? The other question I have is thet, Do you know
> if
> there is a plan of graves in the churchyard at Llanstephan please? My
> Welsh
> cousin was there at Easter. I think sje thought she would walk into the
> town
> and find him, but I don't think she went through the gravestones. If we
> found graves for his parents that might be a reaon fo Thomas Harris to be
> with John Roberts.
> Thank you for looking at all this for me.
> Jane
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk>
> To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [CMN-L] HARRIS
>
>
>> Hi Jane
>>
>> I have them in 1881.......
>>
>> RG11/1342278
>> Merthyr Tydvil
>> 6 Cwmglo
>> Thomas Harries hd marr 48 coalminer born Llanstephan
>> Elizabeth wife 44 born Merthyr
>> Vaughan son 18 coalminter b Merthyr
>> Sarah dau 14 gen servant
>> Jane dau 11
>> Elizabeth 9
>> Ellen 7
>> Maria 4
>> William 2
>>
>> all born Merthyr Tydvil
>>
>> I have indexed Llanstephan parish church registers and there is not a
>> baptism for Thomas Harries......
>>
>> There are quite a few non-conformist chapels in Llanstephan maybe he
>> belonged to one of those....the ones that do have records available are
>> on
>> the IGI
>>
>> The only Thomas Harries/is I can locate in 1841 is the one I gave
>> previously
>> with a Roberts family aged 9........what do you think?
>>
>> Do you know when he went to Glamorgan ?
>>
>> Pauline
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jane Doherty" <dohertyj(a)colourcity.com>
>> To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CMN-L] HARRIS
>>
>>
>>> Hi Pauline,
>>> In 1871 Thomas was in Merthyr Tydfil. He had a wife, Elizabeth, and 8
>>> children. Thirteen altogether by 1883. They lived in Cefn Coed y Cymmer
>>> at
>>> some stage. He went to Merthyr to work in the mine according to the
>>> source
>>> I had from the Salem Chapel in Heolgerrig.
>>> On the 28th January 1886 Thomas Harris was killed while working at Cwn
>>> Pit.
>>> The Rev. I. J. Evans of Salem Chapel conducted the service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The burial records my source checked found five Harris buried in the
>>> municipal cemetery, but I am not sure which cemetery and the strange
>>> thing
>>> is that i went over a lot of the Cefn Coed cemetery last year and found
>>> my
>>> grandmas grave with my grandparents and some of her Harris siblings in
>>> it.
>>> I
>>> just live too far away!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> William Harris buried 2nd November 1877 at 14 years of age
>>>
>>> Thomas Harris buried 29th November 1886 at 2 years of age
>>>
>>> Thomas Harris buried 29th November 1886 at 54 years of age
>>>
>>> Gwen Harris buried 4th January 1887 at 3 years of age
>>>
>>> Elizabeth Harris buried 2nd November 1922 at 85 year of age.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is all I know,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>>
>>> Jane
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Pauline James"
<paulinejames(a)carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk>
>>> To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CMN-L] HARRIS
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jane
>>>>
>>>> Thanks......where was Thomas in 1871........where did he state he was
>>>> born?
>>>> what was his occupation, any little clue can help locate him, there
>>>> are
>>>> quite a few around as you have probably found for yourself....
>>>>
>>>> give me a few more clues
>>>>
>>>> Pauline
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jane Doherty" <dohertyj(a)colourcity.com>
>>>> To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CMN-L] HARRIS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Pauline,
>>>>> Thanks for your reply. It was a typo. It is Thomas I was after. I
>>>>> made
>>>>> a
>>>>> mistake there. John is my grandfather.
>>>>> I don't have any information on Thomas except for the 1871 census
for
>>>>> Glamorgan. He died in a mine accident in 1886, I have just found.
>>>>> I shall start on certificates for him very soon. I didn't really
know
>>>>> where
>>>>> to start on him, but I guess it would be sensible to work backwards.
>>>>> Thank you for your help,
>>>>> Jane
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Pauline James"
<paulinejames(a)carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk>
>>>>> To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CMN-L] HARRIS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jane
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice to have you back.......you state that Thomas Harris born
>>>>>> Llanstephan
>>>>>> married Elizabeth.....but...you asked for a look up for a John
>>>>>> Harris/ies
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> 1841 or 1851, do you mean Thomas, as I can see from your email
that
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> not born until 1856....is it a little typo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a quick look in 1841 which has been indexed by CFHS there
is a
>>>>>> 5
>>>>>> year
>>>>>> old and 9 year old there.....do you know name of father from the
>>>>>> marriage
>>>>>> certificate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the one aged 9 in 1841 is with a John Roberts aged 55 farmer
and
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>> Roberts aged 55 .......he is Thomas Harris aged 9..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pauline
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jane Doherty" <dohertyj(a)colourcity.com>
>>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:47 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [CMN-L] HARRIS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I have subscribed again after many years off this list and I
wonder
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> someone could help me please as I now have more information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Thomas HARRIS born in Llanstephan in 1833. He
married
>>>>>>> Elizabeth,
>>>>>>> born in 1837 or 1839 in Merthyr Tydfil and they had :
>>>>>>> 1.John Harris b.1856
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Margaret Harris b.1858
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Mary Harris b.1860
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. Vaughan Harris b.1862 d. 1st March 1921
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5. William Harris b.1863 buried 2nd November 1877
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6. Sarah Harris b.1867
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7. Jane Harris b.1869
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8. Elizabeth Harris b.1871
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9. Ellen Harris b1874
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 10 Moriah Harris b.1877
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 11.William Harris b.1879
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 12.Thomas Harris b.1881 buried 29th November 1886
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 13.Gwen Harris b.1883 buried.4th January 1887
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to know what family John Harris had in
Llanstephan and
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> can be found on the 1841 or 1851 census in Carmarthen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you if you can help me,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Australia
>>>>>>>
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