Hi Denise
Perhaps we are getting there!! I cannot find Evan in Carmarthenshire or
Glamorganshire either in 1841 census.....perhaps he was just missed off
somewhere.......we do know he was a widow in 1851.
I have looked in Llanboidy and there are several Howell's residing there,
seems a popular name for the area. There are Howell's living in a place
named Trehyn issa etc........the only Henry Jenkins I can find is aged 25 in
Llanboidy.....you are saying he was the informant of the birth of Titus but
giving the wrong date of birth.......be worth finding out who he was, he was
not the registrar by any chance was he, what address did he give, as I think
they had to give some information as an informant.
I think you are right about Sophie, as she was born in Llangan, whilst all
the other children were born in Llanboidy.....unless he had her after his
wife died and took her in.....people were not always truthful about
parentage.
Most people rented very few owned property......perhaps the house was part
of the perks of his job......do you have more information, where did they go
etc...
Is the marriage the correct one......be worth trying to find baptisms
etc......also ask for the certificate of Sophia just to be sure.....
Pauline
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From: <rennex(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [CMN-L] HOWELLS Llanboidy/Llangan
Thanks Pauline,
Those marraiges look like the right ones to me! (even though the HOWELL
one took place after the event).
I had seen the census entries for 1841 and 1851, but haven't been able to
locate Evan HOWELL on the 1841 census at all. I think Ann was dead by this
time. The birth certificate of the youngest child, Titus, gave his birth
date as 19th AUgust 1839 but the birth was registered by Henry JENKINS (no
relation as far as I can see) on 19th September, 1839. I have a death
certificate of an Anne HOWELLS, of Trehir Llanboidy, died of child birth
on the 13th July! 1839. Maybe Henry JENKINS couldn't remember exactly when
Titus was born!
Evan HOWELLS lived at Bwlchmelyn till he died in 1870. He is buried in the
same grave as a John HOWELLS who was born in 1813 and died 1855. No idea
how he relates.
Sophia puzzled me as well, but in the 1861 census she is listed as his
neice (probably of his unmarried sister Mary).
One thing that has intrigued me is that each family lived for a really
long time at each house, but after the father's death, they leave. I
assume they were renting, but how would I find out more? Did the rental of
the property pass on in the family or did it just go to whoever wanted it?
Thanks a lot,
Denise
> Evan HOWELL, a carpenter, born abt 1808 Llanboidy, son of John HOWELL
> and
> Elizabeth.
> Evan HOWELL was married to Anna GWYNNE, about whom I know nothing as she
> died in 1839.
>
> Son John HOWELL, a carpenter, born abt 1836 LLanboidy lived at Bwlchmelyn
> Llangan parish in 1850s.
>
> John HOWELL married Elizabeth THOMAS at 1855 Henllan Chapel. Elizabeth
> was
> daughter of William THOMAS, also a carpenter, born about 1809 in
> Llanboidy. William THOMAS and family lived from 1841 to 1883 at Pant,
> Llangan parish.
>
> William THOMAS was married to Elizabeth RICHARD, born about 1813 in
> Cyffig.
>
>
>
> Any information about these families welcome.
> I have a baptism for an Evan HOWELL on 20/5/1807 at Trinity Chapel (I
> think - have lost my original transcription) and for Anna GWYNN on
> 26/5/1815 at the same place, but no information about parents - how do I
> know these are the right ones? Any advice appreciated!
>
> Thanks
>
> Denise
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:15:32 +0200
> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CMN-L] HOWELLS Llanboidy/Llangan THOMAS Llangan GWYNNE
> Llanboidy RICHARD Cyffig
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> HI Denise
>
> Do you have them in 1841 and 1851 census? If so the youngest child in
> 1851
> was aged 7, so either he remarried and was widowed again or the mother
> was
> still alive.
>
> I have a marriage of Evan Howell and Anne Gwynne but later than the birth
> of
> John
>
> 1837 11th April Llanboidy PC
> Evan Howell and Anne Gwynne
>
> In 1841 John, Howell and Titus are living with their grandmother
> Elizabeth......
>
> 1851 Llangan census dist 2b
> Bwlchmelyn
> Evan Howell hd wid 43 carpenter born Llanboidy
> John Howell son 16 carpenter b Llanboidy
> Howell son 12 born Llanboidy
> Titus son 10 born Llanboidy
> Sophia dau 7 born Llangan
> Elizabeth Howells 70 wid, mother born Llangan
> Mary Howells dau 32 servant born Llanboidy
>
> thus we can see that Evan's mother and sister were residing with them in
> 1851.......as you can see Sophia is 7, which asks another question, do
> you
> know the answer?
>
> Pauline
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:35:18 +0200
> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames(a)carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CMN-L] HOWELLS Llanboidy/Llangan THOMAS Llangan GWYNNE
> Llanboidy RICHARD Cyffig
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> Denise
>
> me again, if you do not have a marriage for William Thomas, think this is
> the one
>
> 1831 25th Oct Cyffig parish church
> William Thomas parish Llangan and Elizabeth Richard of this parish
>
> Paulinee
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>
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