Hi Denise
I really do appreciate your help on my david samuel.
Out of curiosity i went to FreeReg website and found what i believe to be other children
of David(snr) and Jane(Evan/Evans) it gave actual birth dates as well as bapt dates.
Margaret and Mary (twins) b 1818
Jane b 1822
John b 1823
Phylip b 1825
Benjamin b 1829
Joseph b 1832
Benjamin b 1835
Living at Old Gate Llanelly. All were Bapt in Cape Newydd Church
however no mention of a there being son David or william or a richard :-(
I am sure there must be a Richard somewhere as my David jnr had a son also called David
had a son called Richard.
I will keep the info you gave me and hopefully it will tie in somewhere
thanks once again
Barb
--- On Sat, 4/25/09, Denise C. Lambkin <d.c.lambkin(a)reading.ac.uk> wrote:
From: Denise C. Lambkin <d.c.lambkin(a)reading.ac.uk>
Subject: David Samuel
To: carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: pony_b1(a)yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 3:50 PM
Hi Barb
The only David Samuel I could find in 1841 who was a
collier and living in Llanelly is:
HO107/1379, book 7, Folio 36, page 8
France[?], Llanelly Carmarthen
David Samuel, 55, Collier, Born in county
Jane Samuel, 35, , Born in county
Mary Samuel, 10, , Born in county
Anne Samuel, 4, , Born in county
I think David and Jane's ages are a bit out because I think
this is them in the 1851 census:
HO107/2468 folio 277, page 34, schedule 123
Rhandir, Llanelly
David Samuel, 54, Engine worker, b. Llanelly Carmarthen
Jane Samuel, 56, wife, b. Llanelly Carmarthen
[engine worker in a colliery?]
There is a marriage in the IGI that could match:
IGI marriage (member submission, so don't know how they got
the info)
David Samuel (b. about 1792) married Jane Evan 17 Oct 1817,
Llanelly Carmarthen
Also, your David and William in Merthyr are also there in
1841, along with another possible brother:
HO107/1415, Book 4, Folio 26, page 22
No 24, Merthyr Tydfil
David Samuel, 20, Smith, not born in county
Richard Samuel, 25, Miner, not born in county
William Samuel, 20, Miner, not born in county
Since ages in the 1841 awere rounded, it is possible that
Richard, b. about 1816 from the 1841 census is the product
of the David & Jane marriage in 1817.
If this is a family group, then there might be more
children between David, b. 1821/22 and Mary b.about 1831.
Hopefully you will get some more information to help
prove/disprove this grouping.
Denise