In a message dated 18/05/2010 19:53:13 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001(a)aol.com
writes:
Yes I know, Walter remarried Jane Thomas, as the Registry Office stated
nee
Thomas, I'm wondering whether they are sisters or just coincidence? They
say (Carmarthen Office) they found a birth for a David Williams, parents
Walter and Ann nee Thomas, but none for the other children, but that this
David's address didn't match what was on the census, but I think it's my
only
choice. I'm just wondering about the marriage - wonder if Ann came from
that area, the second wife Jane came from Llanelly? and on all census for
Ann, it states born in county, meaning Carmarthenshire,. Jane outlived
Walter
and appears on the 1891 with her daughter Margaret 'living on her own
means' which is surprising to me being the widow of a miner.
Helen
In a message dated 18/05/2010 19:31:18 GMT Daylight Time,
Msharonmeek(a)aol.com writes:
Helen the 1871 census is Walter 1816, Jeon 1826, Margaret 1881 Walter
1866
living at Forge Row
In the 1881 census it states Walter 1816, Ann 1826, Margaret 1871 Walter
1866 22 Forge Cottages. although it is spelt Jeon on the web site It
is
a
spelling mistake and should say Ann not Jane.
In a message dated 18/05/2010 18:21:55 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001(a)aol.com
writes:
Nutty Walt! Don't understand that one, Mary Ann??? Wonder where he got
the Mary from, Census always shows Mary then 1871 Jane, his second wife,
who
I know is a Thomas.
Does he have anything else?
In a message dated 18/05/2010 18:19:02 GMT Daylight Time,
Msharonmeek(a)aol.com writes:
He has Walter known as Watt Williams wife Mary Ann Nee Thomas
In a message dated 18/05/2010 18:17:31 GMT Daylight Time,
HMC001(a)aol.com
writes:
nope
In a message dated 18/05/2010 18:13:05 GMT Daylight Time,
Msharonmeek(a)aol.com writes:
I have found someone researching the same family via David Williams
on
Ancestry this isn't you is it?
In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:46:53 GMT Daylight Time,
HMC001(a)aol.com
writes:
I use findmypast which wasn't so explicit. Great you found that!
It
certainly explains why I couldn't ever find them. I cannot find
any
baptisms or
marriage at all or death, it's as if the family didn't exisit! My
ancestor was the Mary Williams, shown on 1851 aged 3 months - and I
thought that
one would be easy!
But the records office said they couldn't find a baptism for a
Mary
Williams 1848-1852 for parents, Walter and Ann, and I tried
Carmarthen
twice and
Llanelli! The only one that could be a near match is David Williams
that
came through this afternoon by email from Carmarthen Record office,
my
dear
friend Rebecca who found one born to a Walter and Ann nee Thomas in
Llanelly
but the address didn't match the address on any census. If Walter
married
an Ann Thomas, it might explain why he then married a Jane Thomas
after
1861, could've been a sister? But they can't find a marriage for
that
one!
I'd be over the moon if you found anything else. Thanks for
your
help,
appreciated, you don't know how much!
Regards
Helen
In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:40:14 GMT Daylight Time,
Msharonmeek(a)aol.com writes:
Helen
On the 1841 census with Ancestry it states Llanedy Parish,
Hundred
Carnwallan, district Llanelly.
Have you been able to trace the children further than 1871?
In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:20:01 GMT Daylight Time,
HMC001(a)aol.com
writes:
Sharon,
I just looked at my copy of the 1841 - top right, I suppose they
wouldn't
put Llanelly as the parish?
It looked like Llanelly, but as you say could easily be
Llanedy?
Geography was never my strongest subject.
Was it common then afterwards, to put on census Llanelly
instead
of
Llanedy? Do you know if this was a small parish?
Regards
Helen
In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:03:33 GMT Daylight Time,
Msharonmeek(a)aol.com writes:
Did you notice that Walter was born Llanedy on the 1841
census?
this
parish
is situated on the river Loughor near the county border next to
Glamorgan
near to the towns of Hendy and Pontardulias.
I just did a check on Glamorgan for marriages and found Walter
Williams
married Ann Thomas 24 August 1835 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorgan.
You may find that this is where the older children were
registered
I
will
look up the children for you
Regards Sharon
In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time,
HMC001(a)aol.com
writes:
Sharon,
Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who
does
lookups
for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages?
Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the
nearest
I've
got
for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838
maybe
before
I just don't know.
Regards
Helen
In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time,
Msharonmeek(a)aol.com writes:
Hi Helen
Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the
birth
of
the
younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record
within
Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have
happened
is
that
they
may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she
was
under
age
of
marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that
they
then
married
in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to
find
Mary's
birth
cert it would also give an address which would also give you
information
to
track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and
1861
the
family
still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the
other
marriage
date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using
her
married
name, as she may have also been widowed.
I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary
and
go
either side by a year as the census is not always correct in
regards
ages.
you
have probably found that each research site also states age
variations.
It
took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up
tracing
down
from
children's marriages back to the parents.
Hope i have been of some help
Sharon
In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time,
HMC001(a)aol.com
writes:
Can SKS please help me?
I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what
seems
like
forever,
to trace a family, who on all census put they were from
Llanelly,
Camarthenshire.
I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage.
However,
can
anyone
tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at,
that
would
cover
the
area Llanelly?
On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are
put
as
aged
25
with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for
them.
I
asked
the
Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I
did
find
one,
and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it
could
be
that
they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage
is
1842.
I
searched
for a baptism for the first two children Jane and
William.
The
only
baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane
Williams
in
1838
(she put
aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen,
which
they
advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not
Walter!!??
Archives
could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams,
parents
Ann
and
Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and
again
I
cannot
seem
to
find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so
I
thought
if
I
could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a
bit
more
about
Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know
he
married
a
Jane
Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on
the
1861
Walter
is put
as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter
Williams,
in
Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census
for
Jane
Thomas and
it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden
name
Thomas.
So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm
possibly
looking
in the wrong area?
So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what
other
areas
should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be
nearby.
The
only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death
certificate,
which
only
confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called
Walter
from
his
second
marriage.
Regards
Helen
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