Hi Fee
Thanks for this......registration was not law until 1874 for births or
deaths...thus many went through the net. Not all children were baptised
either, as for some it was either baptising the child or being able to have
bread on the table..normally the bread won..
Okay, its a deal if you collect ALL the Jones's let me know as I have given
up on mine.......I have Hannah Jones baptised somewhere around 1826-1828
father David !!!! Probably in Llanpumpsaint....any connections to yours??
I also have Davies from Conwil Elved.....I have only gone back to Daniel
Davies born 1806 Conwil Elved but lost him after 1851, I think these dropped
off the face of the earth or are buried in fields in Carmarthenshire
somewhere.......these too were non-conformists, whom are very difficult to
trace...he ended up in St Peters Carmarthen, his son Thomas Davies(b.1828)
my great gt. grandfather moved to Burry Port (Pembrey parish) where he and
his family are buried.
Thanks for your help, if you can think of anything let us know.....
Pauline
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Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Roger Jones
I can't offer any specific help, but I can offer a couple of suggestions. I
have a few of my Hughes family from Carmarthen that don't seem to be in the
official record anywhere. I have been working on the assumption that they
may have been Methodists or some other form of non-conformists, and that
therefore they won't have been baptised in the Church of England.
For my Hughes family it is extraordinary that they weren't in the birth
registers from 1837, but I believe that initially it was the responsibility
of the Registrar to ensure that births were registered and not the parents.
What I am assuming is that there was a very close tie-up between the
baptisms in the church and the names registered... maybe babies who were
from Methodist families were sometimes missing from the official record too?
I'm hoping that someone with better knowledge than me about non conformists
in Wales in the 19th century may read this post or yours and comment. I
know there are methodist records in various places.
The other possibility which has come up again and again in my wider family
is that the children were sometimes baptised in batches... so a child born
in 1872 might not turn up in the records for baptisms until five or even ten
years later. I think that's more common in the early part of the 19th
century, when the charges went up for baptism for a while, but certainly I
have several groups of children being baptised whethe youngest was a month
old but the eldest was anywhere from four to twelve years old.
If you know where your ancestors were from the census, it would be worth
looking all around the dates of birth for siblings for dates of baptisms.
I have some Jones as well as Hughes in my family in Carmarthen, but tracing
them is the very devil. I've got to the point where I feel like recording
all the Jones's in Carmarthen and eliminating them from my enquiries one by
one, lol.
bws
Fee
--- On Fri, 22/1/10, Peter Jones <peterjones550(a)btinternet.com> wrote:> Hi
I wonder if someone can help me with my brick wall. I have taken my
maternal grandfather back to 1690 but I just can't seem to make much
headway with my paternal grandfather.
His name is Roger JONES and when he married my Grandmother, Elizabeth
LEWIS of Brynamman on 29 May 1892 in Llandebie, he was a Collier and
allegedly aged 20 (ie born c1872).
I say allegedly because whilst this ties in fairly well with the 1901
(aged
27) and very well with the 1911 (aged 39 born in the Rhondda,
Glamorgan) I have not been able to find a suitable Roger born in Wales
c1872? Nor have I been able to locate him on either the 1881 or the
1891.
Strangely, I can't find any trace of his father either. He was also
called Roger JONES and would have been born sometime before 1852.
I have a note of my Grandfather's siblings from a deceased family
member's memory but I know nothing more about them other than the fact
that Sarah Jane JONES married a James POWELL. The other siblings are
Rees and Morgan JONES.
Roger JONES (c1872) was wounded in WW1 and he was left with a shaking
arm and head as a result. He lived with his wife Elizabeth at
32 Harold St
Tirydial, Ammanford until he died around about 1934. I can remember
going to that house in the 1940's and being given some of the home
made toffee that my grandmother always seemed to have available for us
children.
Grandmother Elizabeth was well known up and down the Valley for the
home made ointments she used to sell. Her most famous one being the
burn ointment she sold to the Tinplate and Iron Workers. Hence she was
known as Mrs Jones Yr Eli, or Mrs Jones the Ointment.
If anyone else knows about or is researching this family I would very
much appreciate finding out something more about these grandparents.
Peter Jones - now living in Hornchurch Essex
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