I goggled the word bailiff and come across the as well Under the manorial
system a bailiff was in charge of superintending the cultivation of the
manor
Althea
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From: carmarthenshire-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Desmond Davies
Sent: 16 November 2011 11:27
To: carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Benjamin and Anne Davies
Hi Pauline
I have used the CFHS online indexes, I tried the main burial index for the
Lewis Davies burial 1828 but it was not on that, you have helped with
spotting his burial and I looked up the Llandilofawr digital burials and
eureka, it ties in with the family abode 'Bank, Llandilo', It looks like
Benjamin was a bailiff and a labourer on his son Benjamins marriage 1854 his
father is recorded as a labourer.
Perhaps like a seasonal job, initially I thought of a bailiff going around
debtors collecting for the Court but it may have been only as he was
required by the Court.
I know I noticed another Bailiff on one of the Censuses and on the folowing
Census he also was a labourer.
It looks Mary b1820 is the daughter of a differant Benjamin and Anne Davies!
Lewis Davies b1823 is the son my Benjamin and Anne Davies family, and thanks
for finding his burial for me Marriage 1821 for Benjamin & Anne is most
likely.
A bit confusing but a lot of it now more clear than it was.
Best wishes Desmond
On 15 November 2011 09:00, UKGenealogy 4 <genuk4(a)melita.com> wrote:
Hi Desmond
Have you been through the online indexes with CFHS? I have seen
Benjamin and Anne in both 1841 and 1851 online indexes, and at one
time I thought that there were two families of Benjamin and Anne in
Llandeilo fawr, one being a bailiff and the other a labourer, but I
think they are one and the same!!
There is a Lewis born thus
1823 16th March, Lewis Davies, son Benjamin and Anne, Llandilo Town,
labourer
he was buried on 25th December 1828 aged 6, abode Bank Llandilo Town
There was a Mary Davies born to a Benjamin and Anne, Penybanc Tiriscob
hamlet, labourer on 15th October 1820.......
Again there is a William in 1841 and 1851 census aged12 in 1851
1840 9th Sept
William Davies son Benjamin and Anne, Bank Llandilo Town, labourer
again occupation changed from Bailiff to labourer.........but he is
their son in 1851, but in Harriets baptism in 1843 Benjamin is a
Bailiff....
What do you think of all of this....but if Mary is their daughter we
have the wrong marriage.........as she was born in 1820!!!
Confusing or what?
Pauline
----- Original Message -----
From: "Desmond Davies" <desmond.davies(a)sky.com
To:
<carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011
7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Quiet list
> Hi Pauline
> Thanks for helping me with this, I now have a clearer
picture of
> their local area and the Llangadock marriage seems to be a very good
> match.
> This is the list I have of Benjamin Davies (bailiff) and
Anne's
> children (Thanks to some help from Keith) Llandilofawr Church
> Baptism's
> 1 - Lewis Davies bap 1823; father Benjamin Davies, labourer.
> 2 - Margaret born 1830 - no baptism found
> 3 - Benjamin bap 1831; his son David Price Davies was my G/father,
> who died about 30 years before my birth.
> 4 - Henry bap 1834;
> 5 - Lewis born 1837 no baptism found.
> 6- William bap 1840;
> 7 - Harriet bap 1843
> I believe there may have been a
'Mary Davies' an early baptism also
> to Benjamin & Anne Davies which now with an earlier marriage date
> would now put her in the frame
> Thanks again
> Desmond
> On 14 November 2011 12:01,
UKGenealogy 4 <genuk4(a)melita.com> wrote:
>> Hi Desmond
>
>> Llangynog is west of Carmarthen Town......how about
this marriage,
>> more in the vicinity of your Bernjamin and Anne
>
>> 1821 26th January Llangadog/ock parish church Benjamin
Davies and
>> Anne Thomas of Llandeilo fawr
>
>> did you see this one? Llangadock and Llandilo fawr are
bordering
>> parishes have been indexed by CFHS, have I looked in Llangadock for
>> you? At the time of the marriage Llangadock is the parish that
>> Benjamin was living, does not mean that they were born there......
>
>> Llangeler is next to Llanfihangel ar arth north of
Carmarthenshire
>
>> Do you know of any children, if so I will see if I can
find them in
>> the baptisms of those two parishes
>
>> Pauline
>
>
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Desmond Davies" <desmond.davies(a)sky.com
>> To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com
>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Quiet list
>
>
>>> Hi Pauline
>>> I use Find my Past site a lot and the copy of 1851 Census page was
>>> not too clear & their index gave it as Llanydog I can now see it is
>>> 'Llangeler'
>>
>>> 1851 Census
Carmarthenshire - Llandilofawr - Llandilo Town -
>>> HO107/2471/F388/P15
>>> 67 King Street,
>>> Benjamin Davies - head - 51 - sub bailiff to court -
>>> Carmarthenshire Llangeler Anne Davies - wife - mar - age 51 -
>>> blank - Carmarthenshire, Llanfihangel-arth
>>
>>> I was unable to find
them on the 1861 Census on the 1871 Census
>>> their place of births are odd!
>>
>>> 1871 Census
Carmarthenshire - Llandilofawr - Llandilo Town -
>>> RG10/4587/F
>>> /P18
>>> Carmarthen Street Bank? schedule 97 Benjamin Davies head mar
>>> age 71 County Court Bailiff - CMN, Llanfihangel ar Arth Anne
>>> Davies head mar age 73 wife of Bailiff - Cardiganshire,
>>> Banfer(?)
>>
>>> I had the following
from the Carmarthenshire Marriage index
>>
>>> Carmarthenshire
Marriage at Parish Church - Llangynog
>>> ID: - Date: 31 January 1822
>>> Groom: Benjamin Davies
>>> Spouse: Anne Davies
>>> It seemed a a good match but where is Llangynog?
>>
>>> There were other
possible marriages.
>>> If I had been able to find them on the 1861 Census it may have made
>>> it easier to know thier birth places.
>>
>>> My 71 yr old brain is
having a bit of a struggle on this one, so I
>>> do appreciate any help you can give in pointing me in the right
>>> direction.
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Desmond
>>
>>
>>> On 13 November 2011 11:45, UKGenealogy [Pauline]
>>> <genuk3(a)melita.com
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Desmond
>>>
>>>> Where was your
Benjamin Davies living in 1851 census.......I do
>>>> not know of a parish named Llanydog..........do not have that
>>>> place in my 1851 census index, the only Benjamin Davies in
>>>> Llandeilo fawr in 1851 was born Llangeler, he was sub bailiff to
>>>> county court......what was the occupation of yours please, if this
>>>> is not the one....
>>>
>>>> We only have the
burials to 1875 for Llandeilo fawr sorry, send an
>>>> email to Carmarthen archives (record office) to ask if they would
>>>> look for you, worth a try.
>>>
>>>> St Llandog, is that
a mis-spelling of Llanllawdog, or Llangadog
>>>> etc......could you let me know which one - thanks
>>>
>>>> get back to me and
I will see what I can find Pauline
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Desmond Davies" <desmond.davies(a)sky.com
>>>> To: <carmarthenshire(a)rootsweb.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:42 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Quiet list
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Hi Pauline,
>>>>> Hope you can help me regarding Benjamin Davies b1800 (born
>>>>> Carmarhenshire, Llanydog - according to the 1851 Census)
>>>>
>>>>> Will I have to
go to the Carmarthen Record Office for the St Llawdog
>>>>> baptisms?
>>>>
>>>>> The other thing
regards the Llandilofawr Records: -
>>>>> I believe Benjamin died possible a few months after his wife Annes
>>>>> death in 1876, she was buried on the 6th March 1876 age 79 at
>>>>> Llandilofawr, the Llandilofawr Burials records on the site end in
the
>>>>> 1st qtr of the year, from the BMD death index Benjamin died in the
2nd
>>>>> qtr -1876 age 77
>>>>> They were dwelling in Llandilo, at the Bank and Anne's abode was
'Bank
>>>>> West'
>>>>
>>>>> These Davies
are on my my g/fathers line and not on G/mothers Swansea
>>>>> Davies side of my family which are also on Keiths side!
>>>>
>>>>> Too many
Davies's, still with a little help I may be able to get back
>>>>> another generation.
>>>>
>>>>> Best Wishes
>>>>> Desmond
>>>>
>>>>> On 12 November
2011 16:29, UKGenealogy [Pauline] <genuk3(a)melita.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>> This list
is very quiet of late, does anyone have any questions they
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> ask, or something that you want to share here......
>>>>>
>>>>>> Or maybe
you asked in the past and nothing was found, its always
>>>>>> worth
>>>>>> trying again.
>>>>>
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>>>>>> Pauline James
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