Triangle lollipops? I can't remember Triangle lollipops!
Parc Howard is still much as it was - museum, bowling greens - but can't
say muchfor the lily pond - there is a poor apology for a duck pond,
very badly maintained and shunned by even the ducks!
I do remember Terry telling a story of how they got caught breaking into
a groundsman hut down at Stradey Park and getting ticked off by the
police - he took up snooker and that kept him out of further mischief -
playing at Hatchers which is sadly no longer there.
Go Scarlets!
Janie Watkins
janie(a)paw-print.demon.co.uk
www.globalsnookercentre.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Ray Morris [mailto:ray.morris@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 30 December 2002 15:42
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Mailings
Hi Janie,
Phil & Griff would have been the year after me I think as I was born in
1946! Can't recall a thing about Mount Pleasant but do remember Parc
Howard quite vividly with the museum in the Mansion, the lily ponds and
the bowling greens. There was no way that we could be noisy kids the
headteacher was a Mr Rees - a real tyrant I seem to recall!
I used to live in Stradey Park Avenue (number 10) and always looked
forward to match day so that I could collect car numbers when they all
parked up in the road. I also recall a corner shop at the end of the
road just before the railway line by Stradey known as Nancy's. They sold
triangle lollipops! I think there was a dairy opposite as well. Spent a
lot of time in Stradey Park playing in the ruins of an old house and
down by the river. It always brings back memories when I see Llanelli
playing on TV!
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Janie Watkins <janie(a)paw-print.demon.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 1:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] Mailings
That's famous enough for me! I bet you didn't make as much
noise as
the "little screaming darlings" do nowadays! Can you remember what Mt
Pleasant looked like in those days - were there still houses both
sides of the road etc? If you were there in the mid 50s you would have
been there around the same time as Terry Griffiths and Phil Bennett -
Terry was born in 1947 so that would tell you if you were in the same
year or younger.
Janie Watkins
janie(a)paw-print.demon.co.uk
www.globalsnookercentre.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Ray Morris [mailto:ray.morris@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 30 December 2002 10:28
To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Mailings
Not sure if I count as famous but I also went to Old Road School as
did my sister. I have some photos of school concerts from the mid
1950s and also the final year class photo of 1957! Some names I
recall are John and David Davies (twins), Nigel John and Francis
Howell-Jones! Also Russell?, Owen?, Rupert Davies(?) - can't remember
any of the girls' names!
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Janie Watkins <janie(a)paw-print.demon.co.uk>
To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] Mailings
> Well the houses certainly ran both sides of the road until
> relatively recently - there's now a field owned by Old Road
> School... I guess that Old Gate would either have been at the top of
> the lane opposite my front door - going back down to Old Road -
or
> at the corner by number 8... I don't know where Bryncaerau Lodge is
> - unless that is the building at the top of the lane by the
> cemetary... Unless old gate
> was actually the name of a block of the houses - which would
> probably be the ones from the other side of the road, which have
> gone now. My little block that's left which are on the Mount
> Pleasant pub side of the road, the houses left, numbered from the
> Felinfoel Road end are 3,4,5,6,7,8 (I'm no 5 in the middle) there
> were houses going a bit further back up the hill ie higher than 8
> and a few more where Princes
> court is now by the main road and some opposite princess court - but
> I
> don't think there were ever any on the Old Road school land cos I
> think that was built around 1870 and I can't see any reason why they
> would have knocked down a load of houses to build the school -
it's
> a strange area as the land slopes from two directions - my front
> door is
> a lot lower than the back of my garden - but the length of the
> street also slopes steeply downwards from the Old Rd cemetary area
> at the top
> down to Felinfoel Road - if you look across the gardens, we're all
> on different levels - my garden wall is level with the top of my
> neighbours greenhouse for instance... The rear access has long since
> gone - gobbled up as one long garden for one of the houses
behind us
> -
> I'd like to see the deeds that gave our access away! I dug up half
> my garden when I first moved in and uncovered original "victorian"
> flagstones leading to the bottom of the garden. I met a chap in town
> who actually used to live in my house with his family in the
late
> 1940s-1950s and he told me they were a family of TEN
> - I didn't dare ask him how they all fitted in what is now a one
> bedroom terrace cottage!
>
> I think Union Buildings - behind us towards Parc Howard are of the
> same vintage - very narrow road and similar size and style frontage
> - and all the other houses are much more recent.
>
> Old Road school has had some famous pupils over the years including
> Phil Bennett and Terry Griffiths - not sure of any others - Phil and
> Griff were actually in the same class.
>
> Janie Watkins
> janie(a)paw-print.demon.co.uk
>
www.globalsnookercentre.co.uk
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@btinternet.com]
> Sent: 28 December 2002 17:06
> To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Mailings
>
>
> Hi Janie
>
> According to the census returns.....Mount Pleasant went as far as
> Bryncaerau Lodge .....Mount Pleasant public house was ran by a John
> Jenkins Saddler.....Mount pleasant was split by 7 dwellings known as
> Old Gate...
>
> There were 48 different families living in a place named Mount
> Pleasant.....perhaps they were on both sides of the road
> then....I'll get the reel out and see if I can follow the
> enumerator's route.....
>
> Pauline
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janie Watkins" <janie(a)paw-print.demon.co.uk>
> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:09 PM
> Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] Mailings
>
>
> > That is a lot of people - although originally there were more
> > houses
> > here than there are now - there are only six left. That does tell
> > me
> > that the houses were built by 1850 but I'm still not sure of the
> > exact
>
> > year.
> >
> > I've never been across to Capel Newydd but I'm sure I could manage
> > to cross the road!
> >
> > ..I've seen the weather forecast - more rain and wind - so get out
> > and
>
> > make the most of it today!in fact there's a huge glowering cloud
> > moving over already - better get the washing in!
> >
> > Janie Watkins
> > janie(a)paw-print.demon.co.uk
> >
www.globalsnookercentre.co.uk
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@btinternet.com]
> > Sent: 28 December 2002 14:54
> > To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Mailings
> >
> >
> > Hi Janie
> >
> > I looked in 1851 census index and there are 241 entries for Mount
> > Pleasant Llanelly, also a place of this name in Glyn
> > hamlet......Rather a lot of people don't you think!!
> >
> > The burials for Llanelli we (Carmsfhs) have indexed from 1693 to
> > 1847.......no other indexes are available for this burial
> > ground....all these entries are in the burial register for St
> > Elli, I know of no monumentals that have been done for this
> > church.....Carmsfhs have digital images of the old section of Box
> > cemetary, which as you know only allowed non-conformists at one
> > stage to be buried here, as all the Chapels got together to
> > purchase
> > the land......it is now owned by Llanelli council...
> >
> > Have you been into the burial ground across the road from you in
> > Capel
>
> > Newydd.....??
> >
> > Weather fine here in Llanelli today, as you say it makes a change
> > from
>
> > all the rain we have had.....
> >
> > speak soon Pauline
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janie Watkins" <janie(a)paw-print.demon.co.uk>
> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 12:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] Mailings
> >
> >
> > > Hi
> > > As it's actually stopped raining for a while - I took a walk up
> > > to
> > > the
> >
> > > Old Road Cemetary this morning - you were right Pauline, it's a
> > > lot tidier than it was a few years back and fairly easy to
> > > navigate - I don't know if anyone has done an index of the
> > > graves at all - I've got
> >
> > > a feeling Dyfed family history might have done a few years back
> > > - but if anyone thinks their family connections may be there -
> > > let me know and I'll go and hunt around and get headstone
> > > details and a photo.
> > >
> > > And if anyone from "away" is hoping to visit their Carms roots
> > > in 2003, I notice that the Carmarthenshire county site has a
> > > competition to win a short break - so get entering!
> > >
> > > Pauline - while you're trawling around the old censuses - I'd be
> > > very interested to know if you come across Mt Pleasant
Buildings
> > > at all - it would be interesting to know who lied here
in times
> > > gone by.
> > >
> > > Janie Watkins
> > > janie(a)paw-print.demon.co.uk
www.globalsnookercentre.co.uk
> > >
>
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